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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:14:39 PM   
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I think you missed the part where I said that psychiatry defines mental disorder as relative to the society with which one identifies.


Oh now you’re giving me an even easier way out dear.

You see... and wait... hold on... you guessed it...

I don't identify with our current Western society.

And in fact, the society I DO identify with (and let’s not make this topic another of target topic in the BDSM forum about that please...) considers my behavior to be perfectly fine and natural...

So there, I've just proven that I'm perfectly sane and able to consent... by your own definition...
I bet the same reasoning applies to other girls like me.
So hang up the phone and leave us be happy, would you please?




Ohhhhhhhhh, fuck......that's a pretty big bust right there. Gonna make all the papers, I'm thinking.


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:17:13 PM   
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I think you missed the part where I said that psychiatry defines mental disorder as relative to the society with which one identifies.


Oh now you’re giving me an even easier way out dear.

You see... and wait... hold on... you guessed it...

I don't identify with our current Western society.

And in fact, the society I DO identify with (and let’s not make this topic another of target topic in the BDSM forum about that please...) considers my behavior to be perfectly fine and natural...

So there, I've just proven that I'm perfectly sane and able to consent... by your own definition...
I bet the same reasoning applies to other girls like me.
So hang up the phone and leave us be happy, would you please?



Yeah I'm pretty much done with this thread. Can't really read it right now anyway. Go have fun.

And you know it's not you I have a problem with. Or Daddysprop. I met your Master, he's a decent human being. From what Daddysprop has posted, hers isn't. That's the crux of it, right there. If he weren't smashing ribs and busting her eyes and all that, do you really think any of this would be an issue?

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:23:00 PM   
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Yeah I'm pretty much done with this thread. Can't really read it right now anyway. Go have fun.

And you know it's not you I have a problem with. Or Daddysprop. I met your Master, he's a decent human being. From what Daddysprop has posted, hers isn't. That's the crux of it, right there. If he weren't smashing ribs and busting her eyes and all that, do you really think any of this would be an issue?


Of course it wouldn't be an issue then...
Would it be an issue to you if she took up kickboxing as a hobby and got broken ribs and other fractures that way on a regular basis?
Would it make her choice to subject herself to that sort of thing more valid to you?
What about if she enlisted into the military and got send off to die for her country, are you happier with that choice?

I'm all for helping people that need and want help, but I'm sorely against the idea that society as a group gets to define what happiness is supposed to look like.


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:29:04 PM   
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If he weren't smashing ribs and busting her eyes and all that, do you really think any of this would be an issue?

The irony of drawing any line of consent at mutually-agreed bodily harm on a BDSM community site is almost too ridiculous to believe.


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:34:09 PM   
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I'm all for helping people that need and want help, but I'm sorely against the idea that society as a group gets to define what happiness is supposed to look like.

Where were all these crusaders during this thread, for instance, which has people *gasp* glorifying bodily harm that causes internal bleeding!


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:39:24 PM   
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Where were all these crusaders during this thread, for instance, which has people *gasp* glorifying bodily harm that causes internal bleeding!


Heh. I've watched people go off on cutters, at a TNG demo on play piercing.

Incidentally, have you ever noticed how many fundie christians are into homosexual sex, pedophilia, and such? One of the most common traps that people fall into, is when they start thinking "It's okay when I do it; I know I'm a moral person! But all these depraved sociopaths are dangerous and need to be stopped!"

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:41:03 PM   
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I don't really have anything substantive to contribute, I came in part way thru mostly in pursuit of watching trainwrecks, but I have to interrupt all the fun to add:

I am so havin' a Frances Farmer moment here, by way of Mr. Cobain . . . . . .

I have a lot of thoughts on the completely off-thread discussion here that prompted that quip, but, eh . ... .

Thanks all, & carry on ... . . . . .

(& don't mind me, NZ, you just happened to be where I stepped into line oh-so-briefly . . . )

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:41:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

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Where were all these crusaders during this thread, for instance, which has people *gasp* glorifying bodily harm that causes internal bleeding!


Heh. I've watched people go off on cutters, at a TNG demo on play piercing.

Incidentally, have you ever noticed how many fundie christians are into homosexual sex, pedophilia, and such? One of the most common traps that people fall into, is when they start thinking "It's okay when I do it; I know I'm a moral person! But all these depraved sociopaths are dangerous and need to be stopped!"



Yep, damn near every airport bathroom I go into, or ladies aide church luncheon.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:41:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

If he weren't smashing ribs and busting her eyes and all that, do you really think any of this would be an issue?

The irony of drawing any line of consent at mutually-agreed bodily harm on a BDSM community site is almost too ridiculous to believe.

Saying ''the irony of drawing any line of consent at mutually-agreed bodily harm on a BDSM community site is almost too ridiculous to believe'' is too ridiculous to believe. The same counts for withdrawing after being posed and trying to get your right somewhere else, even when you are wrong.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:48:18 PM   
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Yeah I'm pretty much done with this thread. Can't really read it right now anyway. Go have fun.

And you know it's not you I have a problem with. Or Daddysprop. I met your Master, he's a decent human being. From what Daddysprop has posted, hers isn't. That's the crux of it, right there. If he weren't smashing ribs and busting her eyes and all that, do you really think any of this would be an issue?


Just to try and provide some perspective Bella.

Last week, I annoyed the fuck out of Master, I mean, really annoyed him.
I got the beating I expected for it too, my first in months seeing that neither of us is into pain play for fun.

He tied me up and beat me till I was broken down, crying hysterically, begging him to stop.
Right there and then, I would have done anything to make him stop, save for calling in outside help.
I would have made him stop if I could, I literally told him several times that I did not want to be beaten, I would have used my save word if I would have had one, I begged him, I yelled at him, I pleaded, I promised him anything I could think of to make him stop... but I would NOT have called in outside help.
It was nobody's business but Master's, Mistress' and mine.

He took no notice of my attempts to stop him, none of my tactics worked.
He continued to beat me just as long as he felt he needed to, which was way longer than what I thought was needed...
Did I consent to that beating, or not? You tell me...


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 2:48:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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Incidentally, have you ever noticed how many fundie christians are into homosexual sex, pedophilia, and such?



Yep, damn near every airport bathroom I go into...

Ron


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 3:33:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you 100% Jeff. There is absolutely nothing in Dp's posts that scream abuse of any sort. So if she is unhappy in any way she is certainly hiding it well.  What I do see she is a happy, deeply submissive, well adjusted slave. I may be wrong, but to know absolutely what is going on I would have to be in her and her Master's heads, or observe them in their daily life and that just isn't possible.

TBH I envy her ability to submit so throroughly, I wish I could do the same. Has she been hurt by him physically, sure, but there is nothing whatsoever in her posts that show anything other than complete happiness and contentment in her relationship and I wish her continued happiness.


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 3:36:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: ishyB

I'm all for helping people that need and want help, but I'm sorely against the idea that society as a group gets to define what happiness is supposed to look like.

Where were all these crusaders during this thread, for instance, which has people *gasp* glorifying bodily harm that causes internal bleeding!



*gasps* oh the horror, the horror.....the tips *takes notes*


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 4:40:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: ishyB

I'm all for helping people that need and want help, but I'm sorely against the idea that society as a group gets to define what happiness is supposed to look like.

Where were all these crusaders during this thread, for instance, which has people *gasp* glorifying bodily harm that causes internal bleeding!



*gasps* oh the horror, the horror.....the tips *takes notes*

This thread has turned into a caricature of a caricature.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 4:45:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh....just had a thought, if Dp is so horribly abused, why is it she is posting freely instead of lying broken in a corner?

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 5:12:38 PM   
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Where were all these crusaders during this thread, for instance, which has people *gasp* glorifying bodily harm that causes internal bleeding!


Heh. I've watched people go off on cutters, at a TNG demo on play piercing.

Incidentally, have you ever noticed how many fundie christians are into homosexual sex, pedophilia, and such? One of the most common traps that people fall into, is when they start thinking "It's okay when I do it; I know I'm a moral person! But all these depraved sociopaths are dangerous and need to be stopped!"


Things I've learned from the last 6 pages of this thread...

Elisabella is very patient.

NihilusZero has a very curious and original view of historical analogies.

Do not leave Ialdabaoth alone with minors.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 5:34:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've learned that aggravated assault an raping the mentally disabled is just good clean fun, and if you call that bullshit all these same rugged individualist anarchists fall over themselves to push the report post button to whine about how they're being abused.

Later, much later.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 5:44:09 PM   
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I've learned that aggravated assault an raping the mentally disabled is just good clean fun, and if you call that bullshit all these same rugged individualist anarchists fall over themselves to push the report post button to whine about how they're being abused.

Later, much later.



Funny thing, I spent a quality twenty minutes this afternoon confirming my memory that consent, far from being a fuzzy buzz word designed to make pseudo-bdsm types feel more accepted by the community at large, is, in fact, a real live concept at play in determining if a crime has been committed.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 6:10:17 PM   
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NihilusZero has a very curious and original view of historical analogies.

Do not leave Ialdabaoth alone with minors.



Wow you guys know how to make an impression....and here I was luving ya both


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 6:16:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

If he weren't smashing ribs and busting her eyes and all that, do you really think any of this would be an issue?

The irony of drawing any line of consent at mutually-agreed bodily harm on a BDSM community site is almost too ridiculous to believe.



Agreed.  This thread is the worst example of  'my kink is better/more valid/etc.' that I've seen in 2 years and nearly 3,000 posts on this site.  I remain astonished at the presumption of some as well as the judgmental attitudes toward ADULTS DOING WHAT THEY WANT IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOMES!!! 
To the psychological argument, I've devoted many years and many more thousands of dollars to the study of it.  I have numerous state-approved letters after my name and all that happy mess and some really, really cogent points that select folks seem to be missing are that:
**A diagnosis is not generally rendered without there being an impairment of fuctioning/disruption to one's life/etc.  Ergo, if someone is happy in their relationship and they're functioning within their life roles, it's probably not a diagnosable issue.
**It's really freain' difficult to have a person declared legally incompetent.  And, it's not something that once done can not be undone. 
**Typically, kicking the victim is frowned upon yet some people have dubbed a particular individual a victim and have then sought to lambaste her into submission...abuse, anyone?!
There are more points than those, psychologically speaking, but this thread is a fantastic reason why I'm me, I don't profess to be part of a 'community' or a 'lifestyle' or whatever because I don't generally enjoy the holier-than-thou theatrics that such designations often breed. 
  Davan

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