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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:02:33 PM   
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Thankfully this is America rather than Lucienne's LaLa Land.
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And, here in America, the law of the land agrees with me, not you.

*chuckle*

The "law of the land", in plenty of jurisdictions, does not agree with most of anything most of us discuss or engage in on a daily basis. We may as well shut down the fora on that tidbit of logic.


Do you really not bother reading what people are responding to? That's the second time in ten minutes you've attributed a Davan assertion to me because I responded to it.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:04:20 PM   
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Your horror and astonishment touches me three times as much as it did the first time you stated it. It's a discussion board. People discuss things. They don't always agree. GET THE FUCK OVER IT.



Get over what? You're the one throwing a tantrum at the moment.


Now, now, NZ... You're in VA, that's South of the Mason-Dixon, so let's describe the initial post correctly.  It's called "pitchin' a tizzy."

Thank you for letting me revise your reply for the sake of regional clarity. 

~ Red ~

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:04:34 PM   
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Wow you guys know how to make an impression....and here I was luving ya both

It's okay. You just have to love us with your blinds closed so the morality brigade doesn't peep into your home to assure themselves you're not making yourself happy by some means they don't like.



Thanks for the tip NZ...curtains duly closed. I find that keeping an open mind helps too


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:09:11 PM   
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Now, now, NZ... You're in VA, that's South of the Mason-Dixon, so let's describe the initial post correctly.  It's called "pitchin' a tizzy."

Thank you for letting me revise your reply for the sake of regional clarity. 

~ Red ~

(Please continue.....)

I am desperately trying to hold on to the Yankee in me (NY) no matter how many years it's now been I've been in the NoVA area!

*sniff*


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:10:53 PM   
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For as much as you might be incredulous at people's moral and self righteous indignations, you really can't help framing your argument in the exact same way, claiming the intellectual high ground rather than the moral one.

That's because it has qualified as such. It's not vanity when it's accurate. I realize this is an oft used sly method of detracting from someone's points, but people being aware that their assessments are correct aren't automatically guilty of intellectual vanity for knowing so.

Now, people who happen to be wrong and still hold tight to denial for desperation of not being wrong, that's when you've got a delusion.


Yeah see, I feel the exact same way. Weird how that works. It's a rare person who will passionately argue a viewpoint they feel is wrong.

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Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against arrogance or snobbery. But only when accompanied by self-awareness.

Self-awareness is irrelevant. Awareness of the facts isn't.

And, really...arguing for self-awarneness from the position of being incapable of seeing how your point is an insult to any civilized concept of tolerance and psychological understanding of humanity seems rather...how would you put it? Hypocritical? That is what you're trying to accuse me of, yes?



Well, I am quite capable of seeing how my point is an insult to your view of what a civilized concept of tolerance and psychological understanding of humanity is. But your view isn't "any view". It's just a view.

You only think you're right, same as me. Go ahead and try to objectively prove it, ignoring any sort of cultural standards. We're both saying the same thing - "she shouldn't." In my case the "she" is Daddysprop and the shouldn't is "be willing to let her guardian kill her." In your case the "she" is me, among others, and the shouldn't is "butt their nose into other people's consensual business."

So whose "she shouldn't do that by my standards" should trump the other's? You'll say yours, I'll say mine. Which is fine. We'll both do what we feel we should. Just please refrain from the delusion that you're objectively right. Because if you were objectively right, there'd be no dissent.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:16:00 PM   
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Now, now, NZ... You're in VA, that's South of the Mason-Dixon, so let's describe the initial post correctly.  It's called "pitchin' a tizzy."

Thank you for letting me revise your reply for the sake of regional clarity. 

~ Red ~

(Please continue.....)

I am desperately trying to hold on to the Yankee in me (NY) no matter how many years it's now been I've been in the NoVA area!

*sniff*


Sweetie, best to just loosen the grip now... it's a battle that can't be won.  *there, there*  

To quote something I thought was priceless when I saw it, and is so applicable here:

If  you're a Northern transplant and can't quite get used to your newly acquired "Southern-ness," bless your little heart, fake it.  We know you got here as fast as you could.




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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:16:20 PM   
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So whose "she shouldn't do that by my standards" should trump the other's? You'll say yours, I'll say mine. Which is fine. We'll both do what we feel we should. Just please refrain from the delusion that you're objectively right. Because if you were objectively right, there'd be no dissent.

I don't know why this should see so difficult to understand...

...but only one of us is proposing a system that tells or mandates other people to act a certain way, even if their actions are consensual.

You are not just arguing with my view...you are arguing against the view of everyone that does not have yours because I am specifically supporting each individual's right to construct their own acceptable views. Only the application of yours is an imposition onto the lives of other people. Only yours.


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:21:00 PM   
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Sweetie, best to just loosen the grip now... it's a battle that can't be won.  *there, there*  

To quote something I thought was priceless when I saw it, and is so applicable here:

If  you're a Northern transplant and can't quite get used to your newly acquired "Southern-ness," bless your little heart, fake it.  We know you got here as fast as you could.







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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:23:46 PM   
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*giggles* 



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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:24:00 PM   
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So whose "she shouldn't do that by my standards" should trump the other's? You'll say yours, I'll say mine. Which is fine. We'll both do what we feel we should. Just please refrain from the delusion that you're objectively right. Because if you were objectively right, there'd be no dissent.

I don't know why this should see so difficult to understand...

...but only one of us is proposing a system that tells or mandates other people to act a certain way, even if their actions are consensual.

You are not just arguing with my view...you are arguing against the view of everyone that does not have yours because I am specifically supporting each individual's right to construct their own acceptable views. Only the application of yours is an imposition onto the lives of other people. Only yours.



How is that difficult to understand? You believe in a complete hands-off, live and let live philosophy with the only dividing lines being 'legal age' and 'consent.' I believe in the individual being responsible, to an extent, to the society in which he or she chooses to live.

You probably think I'm a fascist. I think you're an anarchist. I still don't see how "we disagree" translates into "you're right" simply because your view is the more permissive one. It's still your concept of right vs. my concept of right. Do you really not see that what you're saying is your own belief, not Objective Provable Fact?

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:27:28 PM   
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*this is nothing that can't be settled like civilized folks over a slice of pie or a glass of sweet tea*

(just sayin'...)
 
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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:29:27 PM   
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Oh my freaking goodness gracious people!!!!!!!!!!!

Do I have to call everybody's mothers?  Or maybe drag you each one by one to her door and assist with the butt whoopin's?  Good grief!!!!!!!!

Any chance folks could use some manners here and privately mail prop or her Daddy if you have concerns or encouragement?  What has gone on here is akin to getting the attention of an entire restaurant and promptly letting everyone know you are going to beat the living crap out of your kid and ask for fellow particpants, pantsing the kid, and then proceeding to beat them senseless for all the world to see over something that really was a private matter in the first place.  Of course, in such a situation, a bunch of people are going to come out and try to save the kid from the lashing without even knowing the full reason why the kid is being beaten in the first place.

Let's see here.  The laws of the land were put in place by the ruling parties to promote the ruling parties and their agendas.  It has nothing to do with the greater good, what is morally right, or even so called common sense.  We have also established, while we are at it, that there is no such thing as common sense.  It is relative.  We have also established that a person should not violate their own personal moral code, but should be leaving other people alone with regard to theirs, provided it is not overlapping into the person's own life.  If such a situation occurs, someone is going to have to win out or the paths will have to diverge.  It's called compatability and it applies just as much to moral code as it does to anything else.  Broaching the subject of asking or demanding that a person change their own moral code is possible, but needs to be handled with great care and not in the inflammatory ways demonstrated on this thread.  We have also managed to establish that intellectual or moral high ground means absolutely nothing when the means of obtaining them is stubborness or by condemnation of others.

I think what I have learned most from this thread is that, as much as we talk about being open and acceptance and all those things, they are just empty sandlots for most of us.  Call me crazy, but I want it all.  I like to think I can remain open enough to understand even the most unusual of circumstances or desires, even if I don't share them or practice them myself.  I also want some level of acceptance.  Sorry folks, but the reality is I am so flawed and frail as to actually care.  I don't want the things that give me so much joy to remain illegal (and most of the things we do are whether we are aware of it or not).  I don't want to have to keep major parts of who I am to myself because family, friend, powers that be, and even the "bdsm community" at large can't handle it.  It is basically like a rejection of me.  This thread leaves me knowing without a doubt that I will always have to deal with pretty much no one ever truly knowing me or accepting me if they do know because we are all too busy wanting to put moral or intellectual prices on people's heads.

I am done with this thread.  I am done with huge, controversial issues.  I am not quite sure that I am not done with posting altogether.  I have found this thread quite abhorant and a disgrace.  I don't know why I just had to keep coming back, but the bickering and the in fighting have finally just turned my stomach in a most unkind way.  Kill each other verbally.  I just don't care.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:31:57 PM   
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I don't want the things that give me so much joy to remain illegal (and most of the things we do are whether we are aware of it or not). 


I suggest looking into kink activism.

There are a lot of posts on these forums complaining about the law, but very few people lobbying to change it.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:34:33 PM   
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I don't want the things that give me so much joy to remain illegal (and most of the things we do are whether we are aware of it or not). 


I suggest looking into kink activism.

There are a lot of posts on these forums complaining about the law, but very few people lobbying to change it.


And just who ever said I don't already speak out and work to change them?  I'm not just anybody though. 

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:38:29 PM   
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*takes LP by the hand and leads her away from the fray*

C'mon... there's nothing left here, sweetie...  bless folks' hearts and all...

(haven't talked to you in forever!  we need to catch up... one evening after work)

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:39:06 PM   
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I don't want the things that give me so much joy to remain illegal (and most of the things we do are whether we are aware of it or not). 


I suggest looking into kink activism.

There are a lot of posts on these forums complaining about the law, but very few people lobbying to change it.


And just who ever said I don't already speak out and work to change them?  I'm not just anybody though. 

lovingpet


I think it's awesome that you do then I totally respect people who make a point to stand up for what they believe in.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:41:45 PM   
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*takes LP by the hand and leads her away from the fray*

C'mon... there's nothing left here, sweetie...  bless folks' hearts and all...

(haven't talked to you in forever!  we need to catch up... one evening after work)


We totally do have to!  Thanks for the save! 

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:42:45 PM   
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I don't want the things that give me so much joy to remain illegal (and most of the things we do are whether we are aware of it or not). 


I suggest looking into kink activism.

There are a lot of posts on these forums complaining about the law, but very few people lobbying to change it.


And just who ever said I don't already speak out and work to change them?  I'm not just anybody though. 

lovingpet


I think it's awesome that you do then I totally respect people who make a point to stand up for what they believe in.


I appreciate that!  I just know change doesn't happen by sitting on one's ass.  LOL

lovingpet

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 7:43:40 PM   
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*you're welcome, hun...  later this week, I'll call you* 

(running off to bed now)

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/6/2009 8:46:08 PM   
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I don't want the things that give me so much joy to remain illegal (and most of the things we do are whether we are aware of it or not). 


I suggest looking into kink activism.

There are a lot of posts on these forums complaining about the law, but very few people lobbying to change it.


I'm curious how many of the people complaining have even looked into the law, or if they're just taking the word of people who benefit from suggesting the law is stricter than it actually is. Consent goes a long way in my jurisdiction. I imagine that, in most cases, not being an asshole and not partnering with crazy people would cover the remaining distance to safety.

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