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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

You shut it, infidel!!

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
I am simply stating my opinion based upon what I have read. I am not getting upset and sniping about perceived sniping. So I shall give you another catch phrase. "If you cannot stand the heat, get out of the proverbial kitchen." Of course you won't, you are another that enjoys the emotional satisfaction of building, and standing upon, a fantastical pedestal.

There are a number of M/s relationships represented on these forums that I would not wish to be a part of. Yet I am long past thinking I need to save or convert anyone else. If it works for them, if they are happy and fulfilled..........faaaaabulous! If they are not, then it is up to them to do something about it.

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

If he weren't smashing ribs and busting her eyes and all that, do you really think any of this would be an issue?

The irony of drawing any line of consent at mutually-agreed bodily harm on a BDSM community site is almost too ridiculous to believe.

Agreed.  This thread is the worst example of  'my kink is better/more valid/etc.' that I've seen in 2 years and nearly 3,000 posts on this site.  I remain astonished at the presumption of some as well as the judgmental attitudes toward ADULTS DOING WHAT THEY WANT IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOMES!!! 
To the psychological argument, I've devoted many years and many more thousands of dollars to the study of it.  I have numerous state-approved letters after my name and all that happy mess and some really, really cogent points that select folks seem to be missing are that:
**A diagnosis is not generally rendered without there being an impairment of fuctioning/disruption to one's life/etc.  Ergo, if someone is happy in their relationship and they're functioning within their life roles, it's probably not a diagnosable issue.
**It's really freain' difficult to have a person declared legally incompetent.  And, it's not something that once done can not be undone. 
**Typically, kicking the victim is frowned upon yet some people have dubbed a particular individual a victim and have then sought to lambaste her into submission...abuse, anyone?!
There are more points than those, psychologically speaking, but this thread is a fantastic reason why I'm me, I don't profess to be part of a 'community' or a 'lifestyle' or whatever because I don't generally enjoy the holier-than-thou theatrics that such designations often breed. 
Davan

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

In terms of the law, I'd think the greatest danger to the rights of bdsm folk would be how it played out in child custody disputes.

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ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

In terms of the law, I'd think the greatest danger to the rights of bdsm folk would be how it played out in child custody disputes.

In my state, a parent's participation in BDSM activities is not considered relevant to the case unless the minor children are being directly exposed to things of a "mature" or "obscene" or directly sexual nature.

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Agreed.  This thread is the worst example of  'my kink is better/more valid/etc.' that I've seen in 2 years and nearly 3,000 posts on this site.  I remain astonished at the presumption of some as well as the judgmental attitudes toward ADULTS DOING WHAT THEY WANT IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOMES!!! 

Your horror and astonishment touches me three times as much as it did the first time you stated it. It's a discussion board. People discuss things. They don't always agree. GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

As does your ignorance continue to distinguish you. 
And, I find it amusing that you didn't address my post in its totality.  Trot out your credentials, Lucienne, let's see what you're made of.  Oh, wait, you're just the self-appointed morality police. 
Thankfully this is America rather than Lucienne's LaLa Land. 
Davan
(Happy 2 year CM anniversary to me!)

I make no claim to be the morality police. And, here in America, the law of the land agrees with me, not you. Perhaps you are referring to the fact that in America, people of privilege can create their own bubbles and their own realities? That's true. I acknowledged that from the beginning. But if you want to maintain your own reality in your own bubble, it's important not to stretch your bubble too far because it'll run into people who not only disagree with you but can correctly point out that the law of the land disagrees with you.

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

I also remain deeply amused that this thread is considered a flame war, trainwreck, or particularly dramatic by community standards.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

If he weren't smashing ribs and busting her eyes and all that, do you really think any of this would be an issue?

The irony of drawing any line of consent at mutually-agreed bodily harm on a BDSM community site is almost too ridiculous to believe.

Agreed.  This thread is the worst example of  'my kink is better/more valid/etc.' that I've seen in 2 years and nearly 3,000 posts on this site.  I remain astonished at the presumption of some as well as the judgmental attitudes toward ADULTS DOING WHAT THEY WANT IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOMES!!! 
To the psychological argument, I've devoted many years and many more thousands of dollars to the study of it.  I have numerous state-approved letters after my name and all that happy mess and some really, really cogent points that select folks seem to be missing are that:
**A diagnosis is not generally rendered without there being an impairment of fuctioning/disruption to one's life/etc.  Ergo, if someone is happy in their relationship and they're functioning within their life roles, it's probably not a diagnosable issue.
**It's really freain' difficult to have a person declared legally incompetent.  And, it's not something that once done can not be undone. 
**Typically, kicking the victim is frowned upon yet some people have dubbed a particular individual a victim and have then sought to lambaste her into submission...abuse, anyone?!
There are more points than those, psychologically speaking, but this thread is a fantastic reason why I'm me, I don't profess to be part of a 'community' or a 'lifestyle' or whatever because I don't generally enjoy the holier-than-thou theatrics that such designations often breed. 
Davan

You need to turn in your shingle - she has been determined to be incompetent by professionals and declared so by a judge - at this point she is no longer legally deemed capable of consenting to an otherwise criminal act - I linked to this many pages ago, Criminal consent, there is no consent here, she is not legally capable of consenting.

Kink? This isn't tattooing, cutting, piercing, or even branding - people do that all the time, it's permanent and yes, there are risks, infection etc., and if in fact the person performing the procedure is not taking the proper precautions they can and are prosecuted, it's called criminal negligence.

Here there isn't even any negligence, this isn't a scene gone South, he's just flat out beating the shit out of, badly enought to require hospitalization, a person whose interests the court has appointed him to protect, and has apparently been doing this since she was 13.

Even informally, this begs the question of calling it consensual - she doesn't know anything else, she's never had a choice.

But the bottom line is, my opinion, your opinion, anybody's opinion about whether or not it's consensual is moot - it's already been legally established that it cannot be, it's not a kink, she doesn't even claim it's a kink, "kink" is fuzzy-wuzzy feew good word to her, and she's right, it's not a kink, it's a crime - by any standards.

So we are not allowed to question criminal behavior?  I'm not "invalidating her kink", I'm calling it a crime, and it is - legally, I'm calling it abuse and it is, by legal definition - that's the way it is on this planet, we draw lines, get used to it.

Holier than thou? Look in the mirror.

And as far as that goes, is SSC not a lifestyle? You great defenders of the abuse of others don't appear to very shy about mocking people with common sense, do you? Fortunately for the mods, I don't play that shit, or I could report every one of her posts and half yours.

In the grand scheme of things, people get abused, turn over a fucking rock, but I do not have to respect it, or pretend to respect it.

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

The schadenfreude pickings are very rich . .. . ..

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Said it earlier in the thread and will reassert as you appear to have difficulty assimilating information: I'm fine with disagreements.  Your demeanor and actually your overbearing self-righteousness is distasteful. 
And, I find it quite interesting that someone who started out blathering about slavery being a horrible, bad institution has taken to advocating for the rescinding of rights of people to function as they will. Do you not notice a conflict in your stances?  You argue for liberty then you rabidly talk about taking choice away. 
Davan

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia
& maybe it helps to think of this place as being a little different than the 'average vanilla' online fora, in that it is full of self-identified dominant & / or sadistic types, so, less 'trollish' & more 'predators toying with troll-meese', lol . . . . .

Hope that helps, some . . . .

Plus, of course, there's voyeurs & exhibitionists here, & emotional masochists & sadists ... . The schadenfreude pickings are very rich . .. . ..

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

And yet you profess to be able to read Dp's mind. Yes she was declared mentally incompetent at the time  but there is nothing in her posts which points to that now. Yet you are so arrogant as to declare that she needs saving....and yes you have several times stated that she needs to be "saved" from her Master, the horribly abusive man whom she loves dearly. Speaking of projection, you have allowed your definition of abuse to color a relationship in which one of the people actually in that relationship has stated clearly and eloquently that there is no abuse.

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

Davan, this is not directed at you but your post pulled it out of my mind:

Help is only help when it's asked for. Imposing 'help' unwanted is disrespectful.

What we usually don't realize is that in rescuing others we treat them as helpless victims who can't take care of themselves. Rescuing, except in instances when someone genuinely needs help, is actually a subtle put-down. - Jack Morin

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Said it earlier in the thread and will reassert as you appear to have difficulty assimilating information: I'm fine with disagreements.  Your demeanor and actually your overbearing self-righteousness is distasteful. 
And, I find it quite interesting that someone who started out blathering about slavery being a horrible, bad institution has taken to advocating for the rescinding of rights of people to function as they will. Do you not notice a conflict in your stances?  You argue for liberty then you rabidly talk about taking choice away. 
Davan

Noting that someone who has been appointed a guardian under the law is not capable of consenting under the law is not advocating anything, it is a statement of fact. If you want to discuss the morality/ethics/whatever of having a guardianship system under the law, that's an entirely different subject. Go ahead and start it elsewhere and I'll probably drop in to watch you argue your version of the rich man and the poor man are equally free to sleep under a bridge at night.