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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/14/2009 5:14:56 PM   
kiwisub12


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Status: offline 		RedMagic - i'd give you 100 points for this.



I get the feeling there is some "one-true-wayism" going on.

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/14/2009 6:47:11 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		I'm still trying to figure out how one cleans like a slave. Do you have to do it nekkid, even in winter, even if you have offspring at home?

And that slaves never get to make a final decision. Obviously I'm not true. There are tons of decisions he doesn't want to have to make. "Uh Sir, I'm in the grocery store and don't know what you want for dinner". Last thing he wants is me bugging him about every picayune thing. "Do you want three shakes of pepper in the stew or two?"

Nor do we have a punishment dynamic. Because I don't go around telling him no for no reason. So if I do, there's a problem. And problems are not solved just by hitting people. They are harder to fix than that. And oddly enough, they all start with a question. "Why?". And once he knows what the problem is, then either he fixes it, or we brainstorm how to fix it.

As far as sex with others or poly, that's the kind of thing you discuss beforehand. If you promise monogamy and wait until you put a collar on someone to say "Surprise, I lied, You must have your best friend in bed with us on Saturday even though she slapped my face when I propositioned her" then you're a liar, and the relationship the slave entered into never existed, so she has every right to walk.

None of the things listed are absolutes. Not all dominants are good with money, many aren't and assign that task to the slave.

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/14/2009 7:03:31 PM   
kiwisub12


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Status: offline 		I'm still wondering the same thing, DesFIP - and no-one has managed to get back to me on the same question. Well, all except the kind offer to be taught in a guy house. EWWWW!

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/15/2009 1:06:47 AM   
RCdc


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Status: offline 		I stated. "That I and many people disagree with." To indicate that not everyone agrees with you
You changed that to -
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Okay, so why do you feel the need to segregate yourself with those that agree with you, from me? LOL
You changed and made up what my words meant - even though I communicated this was not the case, to fit your own agenda.  In fact, I have even explained to you why your words came across a certain way (by insinuation) to which you did not disagree with me and responded in a way that meant you understood where I may have picked up certain vibes from you.  And yet now you keep stating that people are making things up about you - which you never said even though you seemed to understand.
And yet you have stated I am in this so called 'vanilla' relationship - Red has stated you did the same to him.  Yet none of us or the others you have tried to dismiss have stated this is what we are in.  You have repeatedly put words and statements down in print that no one else has claimed about their relationships - even to the extent of making a false declaration when I specifically posted that we do not 're-enact fantasies'... you changed it to - 'it's fun and games'.   How on earth do those two statements remotely match?  You keep claiming people are 'making things up that I never said' - yet the one person doing that continuously to many different people - is you.


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It points to more than that. You're ignore what I'm saying even making things up that I never said because you're too busy trying to defend your vanilla relationship.

No wonder you're feeling this way - you're not in a d/s relationship. This is all fun and games for you. Is this where you got I said d/s is superior (which I never said)? No wonder you feel this way. It all makes sense now. LOL


Why do you feel the need to define other peoples relationships?  Ridicule them?  You are - by accusations and the way you type and what you type, putting different relationships on different levels.  The way you behave is highly ironic considering.
I am not in a vanilla relationship.  Personally - I find that people only use that form of description to try and segregate themselves from others.  Its a form of 'I am not like you in fact I am better'.
Master and I are in a Ms relationship.  We do not 'play' as I have told you - it is disappointing that you feel the need to label others relationships and post things that people specifically do not say.  You come across as superior and actively demean the relationships of others - even if other people do 'play' - so what?  You say it like it is a bad thing... that people who use kink to enhance their lives are somehow 'lesser'.  That is how you are coming across - even if you do not mean to.  That those in vanilla relationships do not have the same depth of involvement or do the same things.  That is how you come across... and it is sad when you seem so loved up about 'lifestyle'.

I perved you - earlier you were claiming to speak for submissive types.  For goodness sake - you are only a switch couple after all - how can you possibly understand what a Ds relationship, or a Ms relationship like ours, is like?   </s>

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/15/2009 1:44:05 AM   
RCdc


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But I have to ask...  Who is the truer submissive: the one who has to be told to clean, or the one who doesn't?


Pfft, that is easy Red - neither.
It's the one who has cleaned even before anyone has thought about it.

the.dark.

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/15/2009 1:50:42 AM   
RCdc


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RedMagic - i'd give you 100 points for this.


Careful kiwi - giving points away like that and you might have NZ on ya tail...

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/15/2009 4:40:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
But I have to ask...  Who is the truer submissive: the one who has to be told to clean, or the one who doesn't?


Pfft, that is easy Red - neither.
It's the one who has cleaned even before anyone has thought about it.

the.dark.


Sleepcleaning without thinking?

What about the one who has the money and has a service to come in to clean while she's doing other things.? Because if she's commuting two hours a day, working eight, doing laundry and grocery shopping after work, and still has to fit cleaning in after dinner he isn't going to have an enthusiastic bed partner when she's crying for lack of sleep.

Sleep deprivation trumps slaveliness. Physical exhaustion can put her in a hospital. Either she spends time she would spend with him over the weekend cleaning and they spend no time connecting as a couple, nor does she have time to work out, or to recharge or he helps.

Being a slave doesn't give you an extra three hours a day.

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/15/2009 9:37:02 AM   
DemonKia


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The submissive who doesn't make messes to start with? In my experience, there's wide latitude about how much mess gets made in the first place .....

Or, lol, how about the sub who hires a house-cleaner? Freeing up the sub (assuming they wanna be freed, natch) to other service . . . . .



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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
But I have to ask...  Who is the truer submissive: the one who has to be told to clean, or the one who doesn't?


Pfft, that is easy Red - neither.
It's the one who has cleaned even before anyone has thought about it.

the.dark.


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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/15/2009 3:55:58 PM   
SimplyIsaac


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
But I have to ask...  Who is the truer submissive: the one who has to be told to clean, or the one who doesn't?


Pfft, that is easy Red - neither.
It's the one who has cleaned even before anyone has thought about it.

the.dark.


I'd say the one who is wholly controlled by and fully dedicated to another person... fun or not.

And as far as being proactive goes, that may or may not get you into trouble.

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/15/2009 5:01:16 PM   
kiwisub12


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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

RedMagic - i'd give you 100 points for this.


Careful kiwi - giving points away like that and you might have NZ on ya tail...

the.dark.



no, no - see, i said i'd give points, not that i had points to give. Subtle, but different.

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/16/2009 8:33:38 AM   
Andalusite


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Status: offline 		I think "foot worship" is rather loaded in terms of headspace, and "foot play" would be preferable. My feet are ticklish, so I mostly don't like having them messed with. I will submit to it if he wants to play with them, in any way he chooses, but he might need to restrain me securely! My previous Dominant sometimes had me walk on his back as part of giving him a massage, and I've done so with another Dominant friend of mine. I wouldn't refer to it as "trampling," even though both involve stepping on another person while they lie down - totally different mindset, intent, and effect. I gave my grandma, who is re-habbing from a broken hip, a foot rub last night. Her skin was a little dry, and it helps her circulation. I certainly wasn't submitting to her, or "worshiping her feet," it was purely practical.

DesFIP, to me, "cleaning like a slave," or cleaning with a submissive mindset, evokes a very different mood than just straightening up my own kitchen, or helping out when a friend invites me over for dinner. I'm not just being helpful, it's a direct expression of service/submission, and can be slightly erotically charged as well.

Jonas, there's nothing wrong with having your feet messed with as a hard limit, whether kissing or bastinado. Your limits don't affect others' dominance, though. I happen to agree that my submission/slavery are in direct response to my Master (or in the past, to my previous Dominant), rather than my being submissive in general, toward everyone. However, even if someone *does* feel submissive toward everyone, as beth and a couple of other people do, they can be selective about other criteria in their partner/Master/Dominant/insert-label-here.

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/16/2009 9:29:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I were to get a group of Doms together and swear on a stack of bibles, qurans and books of mormon, I Ching, tao te ching, the fingers of Ganesh and Shiva, there is no widespread anarchy vis a vis feet, out there........would this thread die?



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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/16/2009 9:41:13 AM   
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...However, even if someone *does* feel submissive toward everyone, as beth and a couple of other people do, they can be selective about other criteria in their partner/Master/Dominant/insert-label-here...


Andalusite,
 
you are correct about having the mental capacity to make choices and to conciously select submission or not, to whomever, BUT it would be incorrect to say that this slave "feels" submissive towards everyone.
this slave doesn't percieve it as a feeling...but as a reaction to others and life in general.  it has been so innate that this slave has gone through great difficulty to learn to consider and sometimes dismiss that reaction, and ACT in a way that is against that original inclination.
this slave can describe the feelings that she gets when submitting, like "happy", "content" or "fulfilled", but not submission, as a feeling.

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RE: Foot worshiping Dom - 10/16/2009 11:27:50 AM   
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If I were to get a group of Doms together and swear on a stack of bibles, qurans and books of mormon, I Ching, tao te ching, the fingers of Ganesh and Shiva, there is no widespread anarchy vis a vis feet, out there........would this thread die?




Good luck with that here, Ron. Your mission dies at "there is no (...)."

Impulse particularly in this lifestyle is iconoclastic. What we need are more rainbow preludes.

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