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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/4/2009 10:09:43 PM   
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A man kissing a womans foot is symbolic of "worshipping".


How about kissing her mouth?

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And the silence was deafening.

Feet are sexy. Some posit that they are phallic symbols, but I don't get how that's supposed to be the case (mine is certainly not curved in that way, nor does it painlessly bend in four different spots). Regardless of how one views it, there is apparently something intimate about feet, and usually also ankles. If it helps someone cope with it, they can certainly view it as objectification, as a fair number of men are more than capable of seeing a part of a woman as a seperate entity. A recent poll on that in a local magazine revealed that a fair number of men will readily ignore what comes attached to a foot that catches their fancy. That's got to be humiliating. Anyway, frame it as you like.

The notion of foot worship is mostly due to a lack of a better word. Saying "I enjoy pedioral sex" is going to be heard as something very different than pseudomedical lingo for foot-mouth-sex, and is consequently out. The word worship happens to be hot in the same way that the word slave is hot, and in the same way you might have a nun fantasy with absolutely no likelihood of ever enjoying sex with a nun even if you found one willing to break her bows: it is the image within the mind that creates a connotation of a powerful or profound experience.

You can certainly ascribe more to it. But only if that is the intent. People kiss the Pope's feet every day with no thought about sex or worship. Chinese used to do it for beurocrats a long time ago. On the other hand, some friends of mine with no inclinations of the sort, made a guy kiss a lady's boots while apologizing to her for his behavior, so there are ideas attached to it. Since so radically different "uses" for feet are found around the world, it seems only fitting that we would see them in different "roles" in a scene or relationship.

I like to be on either end as an intimacy thing, or on the receiving end as something more.

Why would I be conflicted about the former, particularly under my control?

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 7:10:55 AM   
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Are you going to bow to your sub too, when you're done kissing the lowest part of her body? Look pal, just because the chinese people bow out of respect to other people, it doesn't mean a dom should bow to his sub. Feet kissing like bowing is a sign of RESPECT. That's what subs do: pay the dom respect with bows and feet kissing. Doms don't bow, doms don't kiss the feet of their subs.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 7:25:09 AM   
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The problem is this. He is a dominant male, but he loves to worship women's feet; on the surface it would appear to be somewhat of a paradox.

What if it was a different body part; supposed he "worshiped" woman's breasts? He 'worshiped them with kisses, but sometimes worshiped them with a flogger, crop, clips, ropes, etc.

Dominance may take on a physical appearance of submission. Beyond the physical sensation, given and received, the mindset and emotional dominance and/or submission may not be in the hands of the participant it appears.

What is 'worship' but focus? A dominant can focus on whatever he wants for his pleasure and maintain his/her dominance. He/she should be confident in doing so regardless of how its perceived by those outside the dynamic shared with the submissive partner.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 10:15:44 AM   
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Are you going to bow to your sub too, when you're done kissing the lowest part of her body? Look pal, just because the chinese people bow out of respect to other people, it doesn't mean a dom should bow to his sub. Feet kissing like bowing is a sign of RESPECT. That's what subs do: pay the dom respect with bows and feet kissing. Doms don't bow, doms don't kiss the feet of their subs.


You are being rude. You do not get to rule on who else is or is not dominant.

Sometimes he kisses my feet.
Sometimes he tickles them.
Sometimes he bites them.
Sometimes he hits them with a wooden dowel.

He decides when and if he will do any of this, I accept it. Sometimes I have to be forced to accept it (tickling). But at no point do I tell him "You will perform bastinado on my feet now", if I told him what to do and when, then I would be in charge. The person who decides what to do and has been given the authority to do so, is the dominant in the relationship. It really is that simple.

Now if you say you are not compatible with a man who would enjoy kissing or sucking on your toes, go for it. But do not attempt to tell everyone else in the world what to do. You don't have that right because the rest of us have not agreed to submit to your decision.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 11:29:18 AM   
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Are you always this sensitive and defensive. Lighten up. We share ideas here, the last time I checked. If what I say makes you uneasy and defensive, don't read it. In my book, doms don't bow to their subs or kiss the feet of their subs.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 11:57:01 AM   
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FR, after read thru

Hmmmm. OP, you might look into the history of foot binding in China, it was very fetishy & was all about the (presumably mostly dominant) men focusing erotically on the women's bound feet, playing with them, kissing & licking them, masturbating against them, & so on . . . . . Turning the women's bound feet into objects of sexual arousal for the men despite the horrors it inflicted on the women -- very BDSM, & specifically very D/s in exactly the way you're looking for, I think . . . . . .

& yeah, the handy-dandy rule is that it's the attitude & intent that makes the dom, not the activities that the dom enjoys . . . . . .

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 1:18:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sissylover22
Are you always this sensitive and defensive. Lighten up. We share ideas here, the last time I checked. If what I say makes you uneasy and defensive, don't read it. In my book, doms don't bow to their subs or kiss the feet of their subs.


Saying, "in your book" makes it an opinion.

Saying
quote:

Doms don't bow, doms don't kiss the feet of their subs.
makes it a definitive statement that defines this for everyone.

Instead of me lightening up, how about you stop ordering everyone else around?
Besides, you said you wouldn't go for this if you were a female sub. But as you've seen, none of the female subs nor the male doms here share your viewpoint. So why not learn from that, that your ideas don't hold true for us, those of us who really are female subs which you aren't.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 1:19:59 PM   
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So many men love a woman's feet. Makes you wonder why ton of men love to adore a woman's foot with kisses. I always knew men feel home at the foot of a woman.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 1:28:43 PM   
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I always knew men feel home at the foot of a woman.


So if that is the case - why are you trying so, so hard to dominate Des - instead of getting down to it?

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 3:31:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sissylover22

Doms don't bow, doms don't kiss the feet of their subs.


Baloney. We can suck their toes, too.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 3:37:10 PM   
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I don't need you to tell me that's my perspective. I know it is and having a man adore my feet when he is the dominant one is odd. My feet are the lowest part of my body, the dirtiest and having a man kiss and lick them is too close to worshiping my feet.


Well  lift those fuckers up into the damned bathtub then!


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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 4:05:23 PM   
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Hell why not, if you're into adoring a woman's feet, knock yourself out. Just know kissing a woman's feet is symbolic of worship, submission and paying respect to her.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 4:07:16 PM   
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Perhaps, but being truly dominant allows one to blow past such concepts, in order to achieve satisfaction.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 5:47:23 PM   
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I would never dominate a woman I did not respect.  If I did, I could not respect myself.  Sissylover is trying to make it sound as though the D showing respect to the s is a bad thing.  Frankly, that kind of attitude leads to drama and loneliness.

My girlfriend is flexible.  I was recently doing something to her, and she surprised me by moving her leg and giving me an impromptu footjob, while I was doing my thing at the same time.  It felt great.  Does that make me a foot fetishist, or a lucky lucky man?

I'll kiss her feet whenever I want, and it'll be more often now, believe me.


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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 6:13:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GabrielleSlave
He is a dominant male, but he loves to worship women's feet; on the surface it would appear to be somewhat of a paradox. However, i have told him that he should be able to do this with a sub female as he is the boss and therefore should get what he wants.



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ORIGINAL: DemonKia
OP, you might look into the history of foot binding in China, it was very fetishy & was all about the (presumably mostly dominant) men focusing erotically on the women's bound feet, playing with them, kissing & licking them, masturbating against them, & so on . . .


The foot binding of historic China connoted primarily a symbol of social status. It was a practice among the wealthy, and represented a man's ability to keep his girls free from the drudgery all too common for the times. It showed, by virtue of the handicap, that men could afford wives who did not need to work. The practice was a severe and often painful mutation of the foot, and given the context in which it was done, one would have to question what motives served this very particular fetish beyond status. I'm not so sure foot binding in historic China is directly correlative to a general love of women's feet alone. I'm quite tempted to say the two are different animals, altogether.

Having said that, I am going to go against the grain on this subject in general, considering other responses here. Perhaps I am showing my ignorance, close-mindedness and bias, but I'll risk it in saying while it's true a dominant male or female has the right to do whatever they want to their slaves / submissives in a technical sense, I would suggest asking if it's necessarily wise to engage in any act under the sun simply for this reason. We can speak in denotative and say kissing a foot is kissing a foot, and sucking a toe is sucking a toe, and that's that. But seldom do humans live in such a sterile, connotatively meaningless vacuum. The reality is, the biomechanics involved in bringing one's head, the highest part on the body, to another's foot, the lowest part on the body, is a near universal act of submission, or at least respect. I suppose you could go out on a limb and say a madman who collects severed feet in a freezer proves exception to the rule, or to be less grotesque, a Master who just wants to get jiggy with a foot is just fulfilling a desire, and you'd be right in a sense; sometimes fetishes, in one's own mind, are so far removed from anything but feeding themselves that there is no context to the act in one's own mind, save the act of the fetish itself. The problem is where other minds come into play, and what those minds may be thinking about a dominant person engaging in what is widely seen as a submissive or worshipful act. In my mind, the way it is done would have to be deeply considered to avoid that connotation.

I'm well aware I'll be told otherwise, and it's not that I'm deaf to those counterpoints. In a theoretical sense, I agree with them. I just find that by migration of this thread's logic, a master should then rightly be able to indulge in being used as a toilet by his "slave". Perhaps giving all his money to his "slave" so she can spend it all to oblivion in pocketbooks, skirts and shoes will be the next frontier to conquer in challenging assumed stereotypes. Technically, the Master can do all these things, but I tend to ask, in light of the greater symbolism behind certain acts, why? Call me crazy.

If you are a Master and you want to kiss your slave's foot or bury your nose up her ass, fine, but I'll stay on my island in the belief that those acts are ultimately submissive in the base language of the human animal. Proceed at your own risk.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 6:14:10 PM   
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Show me where I said showing a person respect is a bad thing? I said a dom shouldn't worship and adore a woman's foot if he's the dominant one. Kissing the foot of a person is an act of respect and worship in most cases. Why in the world would a dom conduct himself like that? He should be the one to have his foot kissed. Admit it, kissing a woman's feet is a submissive thing and you know it. Maybe you secretly like being at a woman's feet and adoring them? LMAO

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 6:29:14 PM   
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Maybe you secretly like being at a woman's feet and adoring them? LMAO

Of course I like it.  It's not a secret.  She has an athletic body and I love worshiping every inch of it.  You seem to think that's funny, in a derisive-laughter kind of way.  I have to ask myself why you would take the time to put down the relationships of others, unless you are unhappy in your own.

And MarcEsadrian, your point would be well-taken, if I subscribed to your world view.  I don't believe I am "risking" anything, because I don't care whether I am "dominant" in a relationship.  I only care that I am getting everything I want out of it.  So instead of a slippery slope, I see a larger vocabulary to express affection and love.


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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 6:37:05 PM   
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And in most of our books, a dom will do what ever he darn well wants to , to his sub,  in the confines of what they agreed on in the relationship. What's more domly than knowing what you want and going for it. Subs don't get to get an idea and get to go for it, weather or not Mistress wants them to. There will likely be punishments and repercussions for forcing your will on your Mistress. Doms do get to.

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In my book, doms don't bow to their subs or kiss the feet of their subs.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 7:46:10 PM   
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I've been following this thread and a few things struck me, so I'm going to post again.

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ORIGINAL: sissylover22

having a man adore my feet when he is the dominant one is odd. My feet are the lowest part of my body, the dirtiest and having a man kiss and lick them is too close to worshipping my feet.

Maybe if your feet are that dirty, you need to wash them?  Some of us keep our feet clean, lotioned, and in good condition.  Evidently you don't?

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

You are being rude. You do not get to rule on who else is or is not dominant.

....do not attempt to tell everyone else in the world what to do. You don't have that right because the rest of us have not agreed to submit to your decision.


quote:

ORIGINAL: sissylover22

Are you always this sensitive and defensive.
........In my book, doms don't bow to their subs or kiss the feet of their subs.


I agree with Des.  She is not being sensitive and defensive.  No one else gets to tell a Dominant how to be Dominant.  Maybe in YOUR book those things don't happen, but if Dominant chooses to do them whether or not the sub/slave wants them, then they are a Dominant act.  No one - you, me, or anyone else - will tell my Sir how to Dominate.  We don't all choose to read your book.  My book says a Dom/me gets to do whatever the hell He/She wants to, within the agreed limits of the relationship. 

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 8:19:08 PM   
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Besides maybe if he would stop telling dominants how they had to do it, he might even find one.

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