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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 8:32:20 PM

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Besides maybe if he would stop telling dominants how they had to do it, he might even find one.

Exactly!! He sounds like he has a lot to learn about being submissive........

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/5/2009 8:45:13 PM

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And if instead he's just a kinky bottom, which is fine, he ought to admit it. The gay community is fine with just kink.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 7:20:08 AM

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The foot binding of historic China connoted primarily a symbol of social status. It was a practice among the wealthy, and represented a man's ability to keep his girls free from the drudgery all too common for the times. It showed, by virtue of the handicap, that men could afford wives who did not need to work. The practice was a severe and often painful mutation of the foot, and given the context in which it was done, one would have to question what motives served this very particular fetish beyond status. I'm not so sure foot binding in historic China is directly correlative to a general love of women's feet alone. I'm quite tempted to say the two are different animals, altogether.

Having said that, I am going to go against the grain on this subject in general, considering other responses here. Perhaps I am showing my ignorance, close-mindedness and bias, but I'll risk it in saying while it's true a dominant male or female has the right to do whatever they want to their slaves / submissives in a technical sense, I would suggest asking if it's necessarily wise to engage in any act under the sun simply for this reason. We can speak in denotative and say kissing a foot is kissing a foot, and sucking a toe is sucking a toe, and that's that. But seldom do humans live in such a sterile, connotatively meaningless vacuum. The reality is, the biomechanics involved in bringing one's head, the highest part on the body, to another's foot, the lowest part on the body, is a near universal act of submission, or at least respect. I suppose you could go out on a limb and say a madman who collects severed feet in a freezer proves exception to the rule, or to be less grotesque, a Master who just wants to get jiggy with a foot is just fulfilling a desire, and you'd be right in a sense; sometimes fetishes, in one's own mind, are so far removed from anything but feeding themselves that there is no context to the act in one's own mind, save the act of the fetish itself. The problem is where other minds come into play, and what those minds may be thinking about a dominant person engaging in what is widely seen as a submissive or worshipful act. In my mind, the way it is done would have to be deeply considered to avoid that connotation.

I'm well aware I'll be told otherwise, and it's not that I'm deaf to those counterpoints. In a theoretical sense, I agree with them. I just find that by migration of this thread's logic, a master should then rightly be able to indulge in being used as a toilet by his "slave". Perhaps giving all his money to his "slave" so she can spend it all to oblivion in pocketbooks, skirts and shoes will be the next frontier to conquer in challenging assumed stereotypes. Technically, the Master can do all these things, but I tend to ask, in light of the greater symbolism behind certain acts, why? Call me crazy.

If you are a Master and you want to kiss your slave's foot or bury your nose up her ass, fine, but I'll stay on my island in the belief that those acts are ultimately submissive in the base language of the human animal. Proceed at your own risk.

I think that if a dom wants to worship the feet of their sub then have at it. I further think that pretending it is non-submissive in nature goes against the meaning of the word worship. To me that word denotes putting the object (the feet of your sub in this case) above oneself in your mind, and I'm sure the mind of Your sub as well. If you really enjoy this act it might be prudent to classify yourself as a switch instead of just a dom.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 7:23:20 AM

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I don’t feel it’s cool for a dom to kiss his sub’s feet because it is really an act of putting himself below that of the sub. In our culture this is seen as a submissive act. There is no denying this fact and to say that you love to kiss or worship feet but are still the dom in the relation is fine but during that act you are submitting to the sub by the very nature of the act in our culture.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 8:15:42 AM

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I don't know where is this our culture you're talking about. Because here, at cme, we're all agreed that the intent, not the act, makes it dominant or submissive.

So if his intent in licking my arches is to make me squirm and beg him to stop tickling me, then there is absolutely nothing submissive about it. If his intent in rubbing my foot is to help me feel better, then that is the intent of someone who loves me who does not enjoy seeing me limp, and there is nothing submissive about that. If his intent in nibbling my toes is to get me so lustful that I beg him to fuck me, there's nothing submissive about that.

Again if and when you get into a relationship, should your dominant one day pick up your foot and begin to play with it, do you propose to turn to him and say "Ah ha, you're secretly a sub and now you are my bitch"? Because unless they are in a very good mood, I wouldn't recommend it.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 8:26:31 AM

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Well, I just think some subs are getting a little too cocky and bossy, thinking they can tell Dom/mes how to Dominate. I for one would be getting a very red ass if I tried that.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 11:18:27 AM

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It never ceases to feel odd to have to point out, on a BDSM site, that loving someone & doing incredibly cruel things to them are not the slightest bit incompatible, especially within the context of seeking out sexual gratification . . . . .

The OP seeks models of male-doms kissing women's feet (& etc), particularly within something that can be perceived as a BDSM-y context -- & thus I'll stand by Chinese foot-binding being a potentially useful source of info . . . . . (& almost purely as a sidenote, kinda: China stands as a 3,000 year long example of 'reasonably recorded' experiments in authoritarianism & other D/s topics, for me . . . . . )

Foot-binding ended up being far more common than just the upper-crustie types:

"According to the author of The Sex Life of the Foot and Shoe, 40 percent to 50 percent of Chinese women had bound feet in the 19th century. For the upper classes, the figure was almost 100 percent."

& it had many facets. Social status expression thru it's restricting nature is just one of the 'functions' it provided . . . .

Bound feet were loaded with 'sexual baggage'. Men would compare their women's feet in a way reminiscent of modern men comparing their women's breast size . . . . . . (No cite for that one, it's a very vivid memory from when I got kinda obsessed with the subject in my teens . . . . . The quoted passages in this posting come from Wiki, but are consistent with my other researches on the subject.)

"Qing Dynasty sex manuals listed 48 different ways of playing with women's bound feet."

"Walking on bound feet necessitated bending the knees slightly and swaying to maintain the proper movement. This swaying walk became known as the Lotus Gait and was considered sexually exciting by men."

& that social status competition thing wasn't the only reason to relish the woman's resulting dependency:

"...and therefore [negated] her ability to take part in politics, social life, and the world at large. Bound feet rendered women dependent on their families, particularly their men, and therefore became an alluring symbol of chastity and male ownership..."

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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

The foot binding of historic China connoted primarily a symbol of social status. It was a practice among the wealthy, and represented a man's ability to keep his girls free from the drudgery all too common for the times. It showed, by virtue of the handicap, that men could afford wives who did not need to work. The practice was a severe and often painful mutation of the foot, and given the context in which it was done, one would have to question what motives served this very particular fetish beyond status. I'm not so sure foot binding in historic China is directly correlative to a general love of women's feet alone. I'm quite tempted to say the two are different animals, altogether.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 12:31:46 PM

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I'm just astonished this happens today. What were these men so afraid of that they had to suppress other humans who were physically weaker? Goodness, what a bunch of bullies, picking on the physically weaker sex. Why would these men want to suppress women and make them dependent on them? It must boil down to fearing women's choices and their ability to limit who can or can not procreate. Paranoid, jealous bullies. Thank god we've come a long way from fearing women, the bringers of life, future of the world among other things, that we have to conquer and suppress them. Women can choose which men get to procreate and that scares a lot of men and makes them want to suppress them I believe.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 3:45:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ownednoperated

I don’t feel it’s cool for a dom to kiss his sub’s feet because it is really an act of putting himself below that of the sub. In our culture this is seen as a submissive act. There is no denying this fact and to say that you love to kiss or worship feet but are still the dom in the relation is fine but during that act you are submitting to the sub by the very nature of the act in our culture.

Unless you are strong enough to rise above that supposed "culture".

It means nothing to me. What I want is what I want, and submitting to this "culture" you speak of has no place in my life.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 4:36:03 PM

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first of all Marc has a point.

since i've been on both sides i'll be honest. if a man wanted to do this to me i'm going to think he's paying homage to my sweet ass and i will be the smug little tartlet i can be on occasion. i don't feel this would put me in a submissive mindset at all.

if for some peculiar reason my Owner opted to do this on an occasion i might get giddy and see stars and all the happy horse stuff. but if He decided this was going to be an every night thing i'd start wondering about Him in the long run. which simply says every once in a while is okay. continually and i'm donning my crown and we're probably switching places.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 4:58:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

It never ceases to feel odd to have to point out, on a BDSM site, that loving someone & doing incredibly cruel things to them are not the slightest bit incompatible, especially within the context of seeking out sexual gratification . . . . .

Not sure where you draw a need to declare that in light of answering my post in particular, but I won't steal your thunder.

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"...and therefore [negated] her ability to take part in politics, social life, and the world at large. Bound feet rendered women dependent on their families, particularly their men, and therefore became an alluring symbol of chastity and male ownership..."

Which is altogether different from simply having a natural love for a woman's foot and getting down with it, I'd say. Foot binding was a social institution of physical mutilation, incapacitation, status, fashion, and clear implications of power vs. helplessness. In one light I agree that this sounds "D/s", but a good example of a fetish for a woman's foot alone? In this context, it was a fetish for the symbolism the mutilation represented, and all the implications of status and perverse superstition about controlling a woman's body that it implied.

I guess you could say foot binding is an example of how dominant males got off on crushing women's feet to make them powerless. Is it a remotely good example of the desires present behind a typical foot fetish? No.

Whether we continue to agree or disagree doesn't matter much on this subject, seeing as how it is unlikely any of us are going to force our four-year-old daughters into the agony of foot binding and simultaneously raise a remote village of young boys conditioned to believe it's the coolest thing since sliced bread.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 5:03:05 PM

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Key word there may be "probably"

And certainly, there are folks that do see such actions as "submissive", and would be unable, or unwilling, to view them in any other way. It all comes down to finding one who fits with our worldview.

I love the female form. From head to toe. And part of what I get pleasure from, in lovemaking, is touching that form, all over, with my hands, mouth, teeth, and on occasion, elbows (don't ask). Every time? No. Sometimes I just want to fuck. But, touching is important to me.

Now, if a submissive was unable to deal with that, then she and I would not be a good fit. Neither of us would be bad, or wrong for it, just different. But the chances of her turning things around with me would be slim and none, and slim just got sat on by an elephant.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 7:22:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

The practice was a severe and often painful mutation of the foot, and given the context in which it was done, one would have to question what motives served this very particular fetish beyond status. I'm not so sure foot binding in historic China is directly correlative to a general love of women's feet alone. I'm quite tempted to say the two are different animals, altogether.

& as a rather direct reply I said:

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

It never ceases to feel odd to have to point out, on a BDSM site, that loving someone & doing incredibly cruel things to them are not the slightest bit incompatible, especially within the context of seeking out sexual gratification . . . . .

I could have added, but it was less-than-relevant to the thread, that this can also be said of parental love [ETA: minus the sex part] . .. . .

As for the rest of your reply, I'd suggest you practice saying, 'Your kink is not my kink', more, & leave it at that . . . . . . . .

Oh, except for

at the ludicrous notion that I'm somehow advocating a return to foot-binding. Way to completely misrepresent my politely academic contribution to a conversation amongst kinksters, particularly one that was based on a solicitation for information . . . . . .

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 8:16:56 PM

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hell, just hang her on a wall then lick her feet if thats what your into...she's submissive hanging on that wall...lol..tied tight with ropes or leathers straps.personally, I'm more likely to stroke and tickle the soles of her feet...hee-hee!

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 8:38:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

I could have added, but it was less-than-relevant to the thread, that this can also be said of parental love . .. . .

You could have, but I still don't see what this really has to do with my comments in the thread, or my philosophy on D/s overall.

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As for the rest of your reply, I'd suggest you practice saying, 'Your kink is not my kink', more, & leave it at that . . . . . . . .

I don't believe I ever asserted otherwise. Employing peculiar facts of a culture's history to support your point of view in this thread is where I challenged you. Thanks for the editorial suggestion, nonetheless. Needless to say, following instruction from you is not in my cards.

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Oh, except for at the ludicrous notion that I'm somehow advocating a return to foot-binding. Way to completely misrepresent my politely academic contribution to a conversation amongst kinksters, particularly one that was based on a solicitation for information . . . . . .

I'm not saying you're directly advocating a return at all. I just don't believe your answer to that solicitation was fully accurate for this discussion, for several reasons. Obviously, we disagree, and that's fine, of course.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 9:02:39 PM

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& here I am thinking these are casual conversations rather than clearly delineated topics that are only to be discussed just so, & only with info, etc, that is obviously relevant . . . . . To, um, you . . . . .

Sure, whatever you say . . .. .

The sadist in me tends to enjoy when, out of some kind of oppositional resistance inclination, my sensible advice is ignored . . . . . Terribly ignoble of me, I know . . . .

*snicker*

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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

Needless to say, following instruction from you is not in my cards.

Oh. & I'm heartbroken. I take it a date is out of the question, huh?

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/6/2009 10:22:45 PM

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& here I am thinking these are casual conversations rather than clearly delineated topics that are only to be discussed just so, & only with info, etc, that is obviously relevant . . . . . To, um, you . . . . .

We all contribute in our own style, commensurate with our level of interest. What you say in a public forum is open to public comment, however. I would suggest getting past the idea that it isn't or shouldn't be when it contradicts you.

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia
The sadist in me tends to enjoy when, out of some kind of oppositional resistance inclination, my sensible advice is ignored . . . . . Terribly ignoble of me, I know . . .

Carry on with your obviously fiendish self.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/7/2009 12:28:19 AM

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Are you going to bow to your sub too, when you're done kissing the lowest part of her body?

I bow after every martial arts session, including the ones with her. It is a part of showing respect for the tradition I have chosen to be part of. It is a part of showing respect for those that have gone before me, those who have seen fit to pass it on, and those who bought its lessons at a real cost in lives. Damn right I bow. And the day I find that I can no longer respect my companion, is really pretty much the day she has no part in my life anymore. It may be incomprehensible to you. Nevertheless, it's important to me to be able to express respect for something other than myself, without reservation or artifice.

You can pontificate on the dogma of domhood as much as you like. I hope it brings you much happiness. I doubt it will bring you much of anything else. The community has a bit of a history when it comes to the pope of rope in his various incarnations, and little of it good. Learning some humility is probably too much to ask for, but one can hope. And I'm inclined to politely ask you to go engage in autorectal erotica in the meantime.

I don't need the trappings and window dressing to be me.

And I sure as hell don't need an upstart sissyboy to keep me on the straight and narrow.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/7/2009 12:45:09 AM

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I don’t feel it’s cool for a dom to kiss his sub’s feet because it is really an act of putting himself below that of the sub. In our culture this is seen as a submissive act. ...

act you are submitting to the sub by the very nature of the act in
our culture

#1)fuk culture...fuk the mainstream..don't be a clone don't be a drone..INGRAINED SOCIETAL BELIEFS can be repatterned and you can evolve and insert you own

#2)He is NOT putting himself below.

Am I then BELOW my boyz when I say
"I want it from behind" ?
NO! I can USE their bodies as I please...stroke their hair..pinch nipples..lay missionary if I want..cuddle them as a dolly..
THEY are ALL MINE..

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/7/2009 2:24:00 AM

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"If you are a Master and you want to kiss your slave's foot or bury your nose up her ass, fine, but I'll stay on my island in the belief that those acts are ultimately submissive in the base language of the human animal. Proceed at your own risk. "

True a master could be used as a toilet slave by his submissive or give her a long, sensual backrub, or kiss her feet, but who is really the one being served by these submissive acts of foot kissing, back rubs?

"We can speak in denotative and say kissing a foot is kissing a foot, and sucking a toe is sucking a toe, and that's that. But seldom do humans live in such a sterile, connotatively meaningless vacuum. The reality is, the biomechanics involved in bringing one's head, the highest part on the body, to another's foot, the lowest part on the body, is a near universal act of submission, or at least respect."

Kissing a foot is a sign display of Respect and submission.

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