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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 9:47:30 AM   
SimplyIsaac


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Naturally people will disagree on this as on any other issue you could possibly come up with on BDSM  There is (and this is repeating what has been said on endless other threads on other things) such a thing as doing what is right for your own relationship and circumstances. To me, anything which diminishes my Sir's dominance over me in my eyes is a turn off. . , but i wonder if this is simply a matter of stereotyping the action? If i was not aware of Dommes and male subs worshipping feet, would i feel differently?


3) questioning...good good good

YOU will GROWwith this..
kuddos!!..G




Is it me, or does this come across as... a little condescending?


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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 9:52:18 AM   
SimplyIsaac


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A dom can be used as a toilet if he loves it, but ask his submissive to do it and his dominance and rank status and dom essence WILL BE DILUTED in the MYeyes, regardless if he can do it or not. Come on, kissing a foot is a submissive and respecting act.


Just had to fix that, we wouldn't want people thinking your trying to project your ideas onto ALL subs.




Chances are fairly good the idea he uses above is in most subs, however. Scratch that... most people in general.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 10:42:25 AM   
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3) questioning...good good good

YOU will GROWwith this..
kuddos!!..G




Is it me, or does this come across as... a little condescending?




I am a retired teacher..I love it when ppl are not mindless fukkin' robots...I encouraged my students to question..challenge and debate..
 

 
GM
ps would it be a first to hear a little condescention on here..??

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 12:30:01 PM   
DemonKia


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lol



Wait, wait, I gotta catch my breath, this thread is still . . . .



No. No, I can't . . . .







*small break*



Okay. I got some coffee. I think I can bring my 'serious' self & add some substantive thinking, maybe . . . . . . ... .. .. . . .. . Nope.







I'm a little over-whelmed by the stench of 'porn stereotypes' reading thru here, now . . . . . I didn't smell it yesterday (musta been distracted -- oh, yeah, we were talkin' feet, weren't we, lol) . .. . . But, yeah, this bright a.m. I am smelling stale fantasies of what 'twue D/s' relationships look like embedded throughout all the 'twue doms only do this or that' stuff . . . . ..

Part of it must be this 'anti-dom' sketched out in some of this thread, someone calling self dom but otherwise acting in every way in stereotypically submissive ways. Kind of a Walter Mitty inverse. Sounds like a very interesting character. (Okay, first apology of the day: I am so stealing that character, oh originators of that idea; as a writer that feels so novel, so not done-to-death . . . . . ) That part was not porn stereotype, rather more, made out of deconstructed fragments of BDSM porn archetypes. Kudos on that! Some friends & I have been discussing the 'Dominant bottom', & this anti-Mitty could be an archtype ... .. . Name suggestions, anyone? He'll definitely have to have a foot fetish, fer sure . ... . .

All those flesh-life people I've met, gotten to know, & etc, at munches, classes, & etc, yeah, I don't think I've ever seen someone who fit that anti-Walter-Mitty-dom description, but, wow, my ears are perked up on that one . . . . . I like 'em odd, I am so not into cliches, not straight-up with no chaser . . . . .

That is one of the ongoingly most refreshing parts of going to munches, etc, etc, meeting 'real people' who do BDSM, in all its variant human glory. & it mostly looks very very very little like porn. But wow are those porn expectations buried all about . .. .

It's true, there are lots of 'almost vanilla D/s' relationships in the meat-life world of out-&-organized-kink (& I'm striving mightily to keep in mind that that world is in no way representative of the 'weal, twue world of s&m & D/s' that does their stuff 'weally & twuly' in their private spheres -- that that's the 'weal twue' (I'm guessing silent) majority . . .. . ) Lots of out-ish-kinksters are mostly interested in a mere handful items on the BDSM banquet table (like, say, feet, to make some attempt to keep this post on-topic) . . . . . & there are sizeable contingents concerned primarily with power dynamics, & some of those don't even do anything else kinky other than the power dynamics (meaning they probably just think feet are what get walked on, presumably) . . .. & there are lots of hard-core BDSM types 'in the scene', too, but that should seem obvious . . . . . Er, at least it does to me.

But, yeah, I will, with great chastisement, keep in mind, when I'm at a munch or whatever, that what we're doing is not representative of the 'weal twue world of ________' . . . . . . *ding, lightbulb time* . . . . Hey, that'll make a great conversational topic to throw out at the next munch . . . . . Yee-haw! . . . .. o.o.o.o, it'll be great to add that some people online told me so . .. . . . & wearing costumes makes it less real, too, I'm pretty sure that was somewhere in this thread ... .



OP: As with just about anything human, this issue can boil out into an us-versus-them dichotomy, but I suspect that it has way more to do with human propensities to drop into dichotomous frameworks lickety quick than it does with the subject at hand . . . .

The most coherent advice I have on tap for your friend is to do what he wants, to follow his own desires, to seek out those who support & affirm his desires, & to ignore any malcontents on the outside of his life . . . . . (With all the usual caveats . . . . )



(Note, mostly, I jus' blather on for my fans -- *kissiehugglesmoochies to the fans*)

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 12:31:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		i always question where i get ideas and feelings from, it is the way i am. i think it a healthy thing to look at your preconceived notions and to try to work out where they came from. i have done this more since i came into this lifestyle and Master positively encourages me to do so. Whether something is inbuilt, or arrived at through outside influences can be an interesting thing to ponder. There can be suprising revelations as a result... There can be hardly anything we know or feel as human beings, i would have thought, that has not been influenced in some part, to a lesser or greater degree, by external factors whatever they may be. My thoughts on the femDom and male slave at a club have a clear basis; something which has coloured my judgement perhaps to a degree not possible to reverse. Does this make me less of a slave for wanting a Master to be, or act a certain way? No. It makes me an individual, with an opinion, which may or may not be agreed upon by others. It also makes me the perfect slave for my Master, which at the end of the day is all that matters *smiles* i am a fully fledged member of the to-each-their-own brigade, but do not expect me to clap my hands and get excited about a Master who gets off on being sub to His sub sorry...that is surely for His sub to do.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 12:49:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBO

I am a retired teacher..I love it when ppl are not mindless fukkin' robots...I encouraged my students to question..challenge and debate..




Now by inference we're your "students?" The humility is palpable.

Remembering something about that saying of having such an open mind you brain falls out. Applicable here? only each reader can decide!

Needless to say, I didn't know you were encouraging debate so much as making assertions here... my bad.



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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 1:01:13 PM   
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Now by inference we're your "students?" The humility is palpable.

Isaac, Gypsy has posted extensively about sexual physiology, for example, techniques to make it easier for a woman to squirt.  It's been very educational for me, and some people think I know a lot about this stuff.  She knows quite a bit more than I do, at least in some important ways.  By contrast, I don't recall a single "how-to" post you've written.  Your positions are all your own opinion, without any scientific data, supported either by nothing, or by your notion of "everyone knows" or "common sense."

Some people really do know more than others.  Based on post patterns, I think Gypsy knows more than you.


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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 1:14:23 PM   
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Isaac, Gypsy has posted extensively about sexual physiology, for example, techniques to make it easier for a woman to squirt. 




Awesome. That's clearly helpful in this discussion here.



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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 1:16:30 PM   
SimplyIsaac


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i am a fully fledged member of the to-each-their-own brigade, but do not expect me to clap my hands and get excited about a Master who gets off on being sub to His sub sorry...that is surely for His sub to do.



Well said, Gabrielle.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 2:18:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac
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ORIGINAL: GabrielleSlave

i am a fully fledged member of the to-each-their-own brigade, but do not expect me to clap my hands and get excited about a Master who gets off on being sub to His sub sorry...that is surely for His sub to do.


Well said, Gabrielle.


To be clear, the TOS around here require tolerance of each others' kinks / fetishes / whathaveyou (which must themselves fall within the TOS) . . . . . & I've heard repeated calls (from the doms-do-what-they-please 'faction') to simply tolerate scenarios outside of what you imagine, enjoy, or whatever. & I've heard you denigrate stuff outside your ideas, supported by assertions to what you think is obvious . . . . .

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 2:25:07 PM   
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Hmmmmm, sometimes I miss stuff. Did anybody ever ask that? Um, isn't that a subtle variant of strawman around the notion of tolerating others' kinks versus enthusiastically cheerleading them?

To be clear, the TOS around here require tolerance of each others' kinks / fetishes / whathaveyou (which must themselves fall within the TOS) . . . . . & I've heard repeated calls (from the doms-do-what-they-please 'faction') to simply tolerate scenarios outside of what you imagine, enjoy, or whatever. & I've heard you denigrate stuff outside your ideas, supported by assertions to what you think is obvious . . . . .


Straw man argument? You don't make them at all, right?

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 4:18:42 PM   
Ownednoperated


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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 4:21:35 PM   
Ownednoperated


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Status: offline 		Don't put words in my mouth. Show me where I said I was worried what other people do? Just because I disagree with you, or make up things I said? That's pretty lame of you. Or are you just grasping for straws here and making up your own things? You're a switch if you serve your submissive. You're a switch and you serve her when you kiss her feet. If she's okay with that, good, I'm not caring really. What I take from that is you serve your submissive too.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 4:23:23 PM   
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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 4:44:31 PM   
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A dom can be used as a toilet if he loves it, but ask his submissive to do it and his dominance and rank status and dom essence WILL BE DILUTED in the MYeyes, regardless if he can do it or not. Come on, kissing a foot is a submissive and respecting act.


Just had to fix that, we wouldn't want people thinking your trying to project your ideas onto ALL subs.



Since you want to go and change what I wrote, I'll return the gesture and decide to talk for you and change your post:

I, thishereboi, can't stand when someone disagrees with me and I get all bent out of shape and I'm so paranoid other people will scare me into thinking they are speaking for me.

Just had to fix that for you.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 6:25:40 PM   
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You're a switch if you serve your submissive.


So when I had surgery, and had to stay in bed, he was a sub because he brought me my medication and gave it to me?

Dream on.

Beyond this rigid classification, do you not see that you are dehumanizing your dominant? You are telling him what he may or may not do. So you are the dominant in the relationship, should you ever get one, because you're making all the rules.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 7:03:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		If he's beating her feet, that's one thing. If he's adoring her feet, that's submissive. If he's serving her back or feet with massaging, he's her servant. He is subverting his own authority by serving his submissive with feet kissing. Everyone knows (if it offends you to hear the truth) that kissing feet is a sign of respect. Everyone knows kissing a foot means you putting the person above you and paying respect. Why would a dom do that? The submissive girl is going to start to question his authority and ask herself who really is doing the serving here. Maybe the dom should find another way to tell his submissive he respects her rather than kissing her feet! \\LOL//

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 7:11:27 PM   
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Don't be so paranoid.


Paranoid? Do you always try to tell others what they are feeling? Maybe that is why your under the mistaken idea, that just because you think something is wrong, everyone else should feel the same way. Hate to burst your bubble, but that's just not going to happen.


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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 7:14:03 PM   
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A dom can be used as a toilet if he loves it, but ask his submissive to do it and his dominance and rank status and dom essence WILL BE DILUTED in the MYeyes, regardless if he can do it or not. Come on, kissing a foot is a submissive and respecting act.


Just had to fix that, we wouldn't want people thinking your trying to project your ideas onto ALL subs.



Since you want to go and change what I wrote, I'll return the gesture and decide to talk for you and change your post:

I, thishereboi, can't stand when someone disagrees with me and I get all bent out of shape and I'm so paranoid other people will scare me into thinking they are speaking for me.

Just had to fix that for you.


Bent out of shape....lmao, yea ok.

and paranoid too, don't forget paranoid.


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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/8/2009 7:16:56 PM   
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If he's beating her feet, that's one thing. If he's adoring her feet, that's submissive. If he's serving her back or feet with massaging, he's her servant. He is subverting his own authority by serving his submissive with feet kissing. Everyone knows (if it offends you to hear the truth) that kissing feet is a sign of respect. Everyone knows kissing a foot means you putting the person above you and paying respect. Why would a dom do that? The submissive girl is going to start to question his authority and ask herself who really is doing the serving here. Maybe the dom should find another way to tell his submissive he respects her rather than kissing her feet! \\LOL//


I know this has been answered before, but I will go ahead and repeat it, because you must have missed it....

A dom would do that because he wants to and since he is the dom, he makes the rules.


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