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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 7:53:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: sissylover22

Just use common sense, why would the dominant serve his girl with back rubs and feet kissing? Just admit you like serving her as much as you like being served. It's called a switch.

Here's a big difference for you...INTENT. you might want to look that up. Here's another difference for you though the distinction may be too subtle for you. I command my submissives to do these things to me...worship my feet, kiss my feet, massage my back, whatever...and they do not have a choice in the matter. My submissives have always asked me to rub their feet or massage their back and knew that it was MY choice whether or not I did so. If I did something to them/for them unasked for, it was MY decision to do so and I had a good reason for doing so...as an example, I have it on great authority (my own...through personal observation) that certain women react strongly in a positive manner towards having their feet bitten or kissed while their ankles are being held by the hands of the dominant...in this case, me...fucking them.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 8:02:20 AM

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Hey CD, you ever adjusted a client's ankle or foot? Don't you know that means you're a secret sub?

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 8:47:51 AM

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Rule number one with me: I'm #1. & I'm an enormous

My main purpose hanging out here is to entertain myself. Sorry to disappoint you, but everybody & everything is secondary to that. I know, deeply amoral of me & all that, but there it is . . . . .

& after all, this is just a place to hang out & chew the fat, lol . . . . . Not some global problem-solving center, not even for BDSM . . . . .

My second biggest purpose in hanging out here is to display how clever I am, & adorably forthright. & that I have interesting trivia & tidbits of info. Might not edify you, but that's okay. I know my fans (all one or two of 'em

) like what I write . . . . . .

So, I gotta send out the big appreciations for you keeping the spotlight on me & my postings . . . . In entertainment there's no such thing as bad publicity, lol . . . . .

Oh, & let me clarify a coupla points, mostly jus' cuz I like talking about me more than most everything else on the planet, lol . . . . .

I'm 'pissy' lots, lol . . . . . Tho', personally, I prefer 'bitchy' . . .. .. For someone who's remarkably pissy yourself, Isaac -- a lot -- in my experience of you here in these postings, you might wanna consider jus' copping to your own 'bad' stuff rather than runnin' about jumpin' other people's stuff . . . . But, that might jus' be me thinkin' that . . . . . lol

I like to offer up odd bits of info, & I have very little interest in 'arguing big debating points', so, for instance, that stuff about Chinese foot-binding was relevant & on topic & nobody else offered it up, so I did. I was merely making info available from my interest base. & some guy thought it wasn't relevant to his thinking, & argued vociferously so, & we had discussion. Mostly I just amplified on the factual material I shared, until I got bored with that guy's emotionalism. All I ever said was it was data for anyone reading the thread to consider if the general topic of maledoms fetishizing femsub feet was of interest. If you wish to see it as evidence of some big point (beyond that) I've been making in this thread, well, okay, whatevah flips yo wig . . . . . . lol . . . . . I thought I was jus' entertaining myself in hopes of some discussion about doms worshipping feet . . . . .

Oh, & what my profile says is that I'm relatively new to BDSM relationships . . . . . lol . . . . . For instance, so far, I've had several BDSM relationships, all in flesh-life & most fairly short-lived, cuz, like I said, I'm kinda new to this whole thing . . . . . But I've been an out & self-identified kinkster for better than a decade now, which for me meant reading a bunch of non-fiction on the subject & playing around with my mostly-vanilla friends & lovers . . ..

& my first not-so-short-term BDSM relationship lasted a little over a year, taking up most of last year. I was dating this very nice, experienced gay / bi male 'almost married' D/s poly couple. I learned an enormous amount about BDSM & how real people do this stuff on the ground, amongst many other things. *droll smile*

Oh, hey, which gives me a chance to imagine another scenario & drag this freakin' thing back on topic to some frackin' degree, lol:

A matched pair of bi-switches, one of each gender flavor. Further, let's say that the fem is a dom-leaning switch & the male is a sub-leaning switch. The female wants to play but the male is engrossed in web-surfing. It's porn, but that's not helping the fems case . . . . . So, she crawls under the desk & starts licking & kissing & nibbling his feet & toes & massaging his calves & ankles with her hands .. . .. Shortly, they're playing, she's taken the top position cuz he always falls into bottom position (given a choice), & the porn sits forgotten on his computer screen . . . . . . Now, who exerted will on who? lol

I've been involved in the out-&-organized kinky 'community' for almost 3 years. I took my first BDSM classes at Burning Man in 2002 & 2004. (I also took classes at the Burn 2007, but by that time I was also involved in the Northern Cali BDSM 'scene' . . . . .)

Ya know, so that now you have more of a factual basis on which to project your judgements . .. . . .

& I do have to thank you, again, profusely, for taking the time & energy to compile my posting stuff. Wow! I really love when people spend effort thinking about me, regardless of whether it's a liking thing or not; remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity in entertainment. Entertainers are some of the most dysfunctional, self-centered, fucked up humans on the planet, it's just part of the great scheme of things . . . . .

lol

In philosophy class we discussed this thing called 'admirable immorality', I think it was. Gauguin was the example . . . . . Gauguin ran off & abandoned his wife & kids to hunger & privation & poverty in France so he could paint & fuck the hot young women of Tahiti -- the argument is should we despise that art because of the immorality associated with it?

The point of that being that you can point out what a loser *%&^#! I am, but it won't detract much from how well I write or whether other people think I have anything imaginative to contribute, or whatever . . . . . lol . . .. . Probably, for every one person who might be 'pushed away' by your oratory at least one other will check my rhetoric out jus' cuz. I try to avoid, & it's tough for me to avoid, telling people what to do, in general. I do offer advice, it's a terrible habit that I keep trying to kick, but . . . . . Anyways, people have a deep resistant-rebellious thing & as often as not, they'll just do the opposite of whatever their told. lol . . . (Many of those are what we shape as 'doms', I suspect . . ...)

I could go on, ad nauseam for you I'm sure, lol, but my experience is that if threads seriously derail up here in the non-silliness forums, posts stand an excellent chance of just disappearing, whole chunks of thread gone because they're just not on topic. I don't mind, I hang onto much of what I post, particularly the stuff I really like . . . . . .

Word to the wise, Isaac . . . ..

*smiles & waves to ModEleven*

Enough fun & games for the moment. I gotta go to a munch, & then facilitate a bondage workshop this afternoon, & I gotta remember to bring up this topic . . . . . .

Oh, & that was beth, not Merc. She posts in color, Merc in black. & I owned my stuff around that, you never owned your exact same stuff about jumpin' Des in the first place . . . . . . So, whatevah you think you're displaying, yeah, go right ahead . . . . lol

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ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac

Let's review the quality of your invaluable contributions to this thread:

Post #: 53 Your invoking of foot binding from ancient China to prove your point was fairly debunked, and you got pissy.
Post #: 56 The inner sadist in you laughs!
Post #: 67 You jumped the gun and took the word "we" out of context (Merc corrected your error) because running to Des's aid was so important.
Post #: 72 The sadist in you basically laughs again! (want a black demon cape with that?)
Post #: 82 Your imagined scenarios leave much to be desired
Post #: 86 You prattle on and on about munches and friends and play parties, yet also admit in your profile you're new to BDSM as of 9/09
Post #: 110 You get pissy (again) because the OP expresses a sentiment counter to the one you're attempting to assert
Post #: 136 You're "still laughing" and trying to sum up the ignorance of the thread (as you percieve it).

LOL,
Isaac

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 9:03:14 AM

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Kissing feet is symbolic of worship and respect whether you're too proud to admit it or not. If you kiss the feet of your submissive, you're a switch and you are lowering yourself beneath her while performing such an act. So you like to serve her too with feet kissing and back rubs, nothing wrong with that unless you're a dom 24/7. Sure you can kiss her feet, give her a nice hour long massage, even bow to her if it makes you happy, but why would you? Common sense says it's best to watch how you conduct yourself if you want to maintain your dominance in your girl's eyes. There are things that you just shouldn't engage in if you can about the structure and dynamic of your dom/sub relationship. It's common sense. If you want to be the dominant one, stay away from doing submissive acts to your submissive girl, unless you don't mind being viewed as submissive and worship and servant-like. What's next, are you going to bow to her right before you kiss her feet?

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 9:07:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

FR -- OMG, this thread is still a source of much funny . . .. .

I'm now having this vision, from somewhere up above, of needing to go poll people on the street to find out what expectations I should find sexually or BDSM 'appropriate', 'common sensical', 'attractive', 'desirable', or whatever ... . I must sincerely thank the participants of this thread for their creative contributions to my 'I never thought of that' file . . . . . . . As a writer, this is invaluable stuff . . . .

We got us the anti-Mitty dom guy with a...[blah blah blah]

Let's review the quality of your invaluable contributions to this thread:

Post #: 53 Your invoking of foot binding from ancient China to prove your point was fairly debunked, and you got pissy.
Post #: 56 The inner sadist in you laughs!
Post #: 67 You jumped the gun and took the word "we" out of context (Merc corrected your error) because running to Des's aid was so important.
Post #: 72 The sadist in you basically laughs again! (want a black demon cape with that?)
Post #: 82 Your imagined scenarios leave much to be desired
Post #: 86 You prattle on and on about munches and friends and play parties, yet also admit in your profile you're new to BDSM as of 9/09
Post #: 110 You get pissy (again) because the OP expresses a sentiment counter to the one you're attempting to assert
Post #: 136 You're "still laughing" and trying to sum up the ignorance of the thread (as you percieve it).

LOL,
Isaac

You made some good points.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 10:35:08 AM

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I fail to see how my owner deciding to kiss my feet equates to him serving me. If he commands me to present a part of my body to him and I have no choice but to offer it for his use, then surely I am serving him? I may get pleasure from what he does to me or I may not. Either way I must accept what he does to me. If it happens to feel good then I feel extremely grateful to him for allowing me pleasure, which is something that humbles me. I am his property at all times, regardless of what he uses me for.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 10:45:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

Rule number one with me: I'm #1. & I'm an enormous

My main purpose hanging out here is to entertain myself.

Well, that probably puts your comments in the correct light?

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia
...after all, this is just a place to hang out & chew the fat, lol . . . . .

I believe that's what I've done with you, at least.

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia
I know my fans (all one or two of 'em ) like what I write . . . . . .

This must be more of that humble, nuanced talk you spoke of before. For the record, I could care less about your self-assigned rock star status.

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia
Word to the wise, Isaac . . . ..

*smiles & waves to ModEleven*

Yes, I know. You keep invoking things like TOS and the favor of moderation to give your tripe more weight. I see that loud and clear. While you're at it, try—truly—keeping on the topic yourself without, oh, how do you put it? Oh, yes, "entertaining" yourself.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 10:47:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: sissylover22

Kissing feet is symbolic of worship and respect whether you're too proud to admit it or not. If you kiss the feet of your submissive, you're a switch and you are lowering yourself beneath her while performing such an act. So you like to serve her too with feet kissing and back rubs, nothing wrong with that unless you're a dom 24/7. Sure you can kiss her feet, give her a nice hour long massage, even bow to her if it makes you happy, but why would you? Common sense says it's best to watch how you conduct yourself if you want to maintain your dominance in your girl's eyes. There are things that you just shouldn't engage in if you can about the structure and dynamic of your dom/sub relationship. It's common sense. If you want to be the dominant one, stay away from doing submissive acts to your submissive girl, unless you don't mind being viewed as submissive and worship and servant-like. What's next, are you going to bow to her right before you kiss her feet?

If I looked at things in the rigid, narrow-minded manner that you do, I suppose bowing to her might be next. But of the three submissives I've had long-term...each of them for two years or longer...I don't think you'd find any of them willing to tell you that I was ever submissive. As a matter of fact, I can think that two of them would get a big laugh out of your view of me or any dominant who sees an act ALONE as an indication of submission. But you go on with that thought and feeling...I'm quite sure it serves you in your stead as a submissive male to judge whether or not a dominant is being dominant by doing things of his choosing...or not and I'm quite sure that not examining motive and intent behind a dominant doing something is quite pleasing to some of the dominants you serve as there are dominants who don't care to have their motive and intention behind an act examined by their submissive. Some of us do have our motives and intent questioned though...and so have had to come up with answers that make sense rather than just "I'm the dominant...I say it is so",

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 10:57:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac
You [Demonkia] keep invoking things like TOS and the favor of moderation to give your tripe more weight.

OK, but how about commenting on my theory. Stated plainly, it goes like this...

Anyone who is ACTUALLY owned (and by "actually", I mean outside the bedroom and outside of fantasy/sexual contexts) could not possibly get confused by these things. The sheer enormity of it just makes questions about who's rubbing who's feet seem trivial in comparison. Or, put differently, if all you have to worry about is symbols and tokens, then you don't have the real thing.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 12:04:37 PM

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Hey Kia, can I be your number one fan?
Pretty please and you can have a slice of the cake I'm baking.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 2:24:02 PM

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Well. I'm not A submissive, nor particularly submissive, but I am owned.
I'd be much more likely to question the dominant tendencies of someone who refrained from an activity due to how I or others might see it, than one who uses my body to give himself pleasure. It would still take other factors to make me question, but that's the bigger flag to me.
Of course, having him kiss my feet WOULD be a submissive act for me, so long as I wasn't kicking him in the teeth--- I'm terribly ticklish!

And his requiring me to allow him to kiss my feet, and not kick him in the teeth, would be an act of pure dominance. But regardless of the pleasure of the s-type, a d-type who uses his s-type in the manner that pleases himself just strikes me as more "domly" than the one who fears her judgment.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 2:24:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

OK, but how about commenting on my theory. Stated plainly, it goes like this...

Anyone who is ACTUALLY owned (and by "actually", I mean outside the bedroom and outside of fantasy/sexual contexts) could not possibly get confused by these things. The sheer enormity of it just makes questions about who's rubbing who's feet seem trivial in comparison. Or, put differently, if all you have to worry about is symbols and tokens, then you don't have the real thing.

First sorry about not seeing your comment... it got lost in the fray.

In general I agree with your ideals... but theory aside, getting there and staying there is as much an art as it is a science. If I recall correctly, you've recently had your fair share of confusion and worry about the dynamics of ownership yourself. i'm not going to get into why or how or if its all Carol's fault, because that's impossible for me or anyone on this board to claim, and your explanations will have to be taken at face value. that said, confusion and uncertainty is common in many would-be m&s relationships. There are many reasons why most of them fail, from what i've seen. many of those reasons can come from the dominant half screwing something up in the eyes of the servant in a number of different ways.

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ORIGINAL: leadership527"I honestly don't understand how anyone who is truly owned anywhere near as comprehensively as Carol could even begin to mistake authority with any given behavior. The evidence of the authority is just everywhere."

Again, I do have to question the perfect picture you paint and the claims you make just in general. The point is authority is a premise or concept, and a concept can be dampened, weakened and reversed by doing stupid shit... it's not some immovable object or magical nexus that just continues on without a care. i would imagine that you know that pretty well actually.

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ORIGINAL: leadership527For starters, I don't see Carol's submission to me as having anything to do with service. It has to do with obedience. I expect her to obey. All the time. Every time...

You don't see a service context in the obedience of slavery? After all, you do use the word slavery in describing what you want out of Carol. Without service, what's the point of obedience and slavery? That's my confusion on that angle so far. Anyway, this backrub or footrub thing isn't part of my argument. I think you are confusing me with sissylover22 ( Post #: 144 )

Anyway, about kissing feet... if you were to kneel before Carol and kiss her feet frequently, what would that imply symbolically and emotionally to you or her? can you honestly and without question say it would not have the slightest bearing at all in how you are perceived over time?

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 2:48:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: mbes
I'm not A submissive, nor particularly submissive, but I am owned.

Say what?

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ORIGINAL: mbes

I'd be much more likely to question the dominant tendencies of someone who refrained from an activity due to how I or others might see it...

That sounds good, until you step into reality and realize that as humans we all have hangups, preferences and peeves... and as an "owned person" (whatever that means in your world) it is not your place to declare they can or cannot have those preferences. The fallacy in your counter argument is the fact you are still judging and setting parameters of dominance on your owner in your own mind based on your own perception [proving your perception does count]

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 3:16:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac
I think you are confusing me with sissylover22 ( Post #: 144 )

Oh damn *palms face* mea culpa.

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Again, I do have to question the perfect picture you paint and the claims you make just in general.

Awww come on. That's a bit unfair don't you think? You yourself pointed out how a 7 page long thread spells out in detail all the ways the picture is not perfect. After offering up my life to the Springer audience, it seems unrealistic to say I'm portraying an overly rosy picture. But my points remain. My dominance over Carol really is visibile in her entire life. The specific things I listed are all factually correct. Where she lives, who her friends are, etc... all determined by me (and just to be clear, it's not that she's forbidden from making her own friends... but in the here and now, all the friends she has are there because I put them there).

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The point is authority is a concept, and a concept can be dampened, weakened and reversed by doing stupid shit... it's not some immovable object or magical nexus that just continues on without a care. i would imagine that you know that pretty well actually.

Yeah, sadly I do. It's just that Carol wouldn't perceive me kissing her feet.. even repeatedly... or anything such other action as being stupid or lacking dominance. For her, it's all about making smart choices and leading in wise directions. Actually, this all ties in quite well with our general focus on reality. I have authority because I make good decisions. That is the only thing that authority is about... decision making. The other stuff... that's in the land of -- how was it put -- BDSM theatrics and while it may add nice spice to some folks relationships, it isn't relevant to us.

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Anyway, about kissing feet... if you were to kneel before Carol and kiss her feet frequently, what would that imply symbolically and emotionally to you or her? can you honestly and without question say it would not have the slightest bearing at all in how you are perceived over time?

Honestly, I don't think it would change anything at all. But let me be clear that Carols' and my relationship is not very BDSM-ey. She doesn't beg for things. She asks. She doesn't crawl. She walks. We have no issues both giving and receiving respect. I suspect this is pretty abnormal, but for us at least, all the forms and symbols don't really matter. I see Carol as my owned property. Actually, as a result of the 24x7 TPE thread, much more owned than the word "slave" might imply. But that feeling of ownership and control doesn't cross into other areas that it does for most people. It doesn't inspire me to think that she should walk, talk, or behave any differently other than her obedience.

Let me try to say this differently. I think of Carol literally as my owned property... a minion to do my evil bidding and all. I make lots of decisions about our lives based upon that fact. She generally likes those decisions. She generally feels that her life is working out pretty well with me making those decisions. It has absolutely nothing to do with service. It has to do with successfully navigating life. You know... do we go out to dinner tonight or eat in? Do we watch a [crappy and boring] love story or an [exciting and action packed] science fiction show? (editorials added by me *chuckles*). We are a team of two. And, like all teams, we must decide on our decision making process. The big three choices are concensual, authoritative, and consultative. We used to be consensual. Now we are consultative. There it is reduced down to management theory speak to get all the hawtness out of it. Carol sees me as the leader of the team because I lead well. Not because I project some domly image.

Edited to add Carol's viewpoint:
You have to add up everythign and look at the total. You can't just pick out one or two things. You (meaning me, Jeff) walk through your whole life being dominant. You take on major corporations and bend them to your will. You intercede in in progress muggings. Whether or not you suck on my toe just can't possibly compare. You do as you will in your house, just as you do in the outside world. What's the question?

(so amusingly, it turns out I was wrong. I DO project some domly image. It's just she's looking at the entirety of my life to make that determination, not some simple act).

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 4:17:46 PM

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Awww come on. That's a bit unfair don't you think? You yourself pointed out how a 7 page long thread spells out in detail all the ways the picture is not perfect.

Well, i don't know what to tell you, Jeff. It almost sounds to me like you're talking out two sides of your mouth [keyboard] overall. I'd say the thread revealed little more than just "not perfect."

Let's go back in time and quote you:

[Queue Back In Time Harp]

But Carol, for the first time, is seriously questioning

a) Whether it is good for her to be my slave (as I define it)
b) Whether my leadership is good, in general.
c) Whether she wants to be a slave or not.

[Queue Back To Present Harp]

Now let's contrast this with what you said in post Post #: 140

"I honestly don't understand how anyone who is truly owned anywhere near as comprehensively as Carol could even begin to mistake authority with any given behavior. The evidence of the authority is just everywhere."

Or in the post I'm replying to:

"Carol sees me as the leader of the team because I lead well."

Now for some, that might come across as a bit of a conundrum, comparing the statements where authority and leadership is concerned. Now I have some personal reservations about some of your relationship description when contrasted against what i feel SLAVE means ... buuuut, that's my own thing. Anyway, this post isn't about you and Carol and dodging the flying service sticky label. I'm going to fast-forward right back to the thread focus, because I feel like I'm picking on you.

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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SimplyIsaac
Anyway, about kissing feet... if you were to kneel before Carol and kiss her feet frequently, what would that imply symbolically and emotionally to you or her? can you honestly and without question say it would not have the slightest bearing at all in how you are perceived over time?

Honestly, I don't think it would change anything at all.

You see, that's the funny thing. the key word there is "think". Needless to say, you allow room for doubt, and don't get me wrong... I respect that honesty. Just sayin'.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 4:45:26 PM

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... But Carol, for the first time, is seriously questioning...

OK, so let me get this straight, you have now gone from the point at hand to questioning my veracity and my relationship both? Is the moon full this week or what? In addition, you apparently were also willing to call Carol a liar. Honestly Isaac, while it's certainly true that one must take what one reads on the internet with a grain of salt, if you really believe that I am a total fabrication, it's best just not to respond to me at all. Clearly nothing can ever be proven over the internet so if you choose to not believe, then the conversation is done with.

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I want a joyous, loving, respectful relationship where the male is in charge and deserves to be. - DavanKael

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 5:19:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: sissylover22

Kissing feet is symbolic of worship and respect whether you're too proud to admit it or not. If you kiss the feet of your submissive, you're a switch and you are lowering yourself beneath her while performing such an act. So you like to serve her too with feet kissing and back rubs, nothing wrong with that unless you're a dom 24/7. Sure you can kiss her feet, give her a nice hour long massage, even bow to her if it makes you happy, but why would you? Common sense says it's best to watch how you conduct yourself if you want to maintain your dominance in your girl's eyes. There are things that you just shouldn't engage in if you can about the structure and dynamic of your dom/sub relationship. It's common sense. If you want to be the dominant one, stay away from doing submissive acts to your submissive girl, unless you don't mind being viewed as submissive and worship and servant-like. What's next, are you going to bow to her right before you kiss her feet?

Actually, common sense tells me there is no point in arguing with some people. Your right, you know exactly how every sub feels and how every dom needs to act. What amazes me, is your not running some wonderful school somewhere, so that you can teach the ignorant masses how to feel and act. Please tell me your working on that book.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 6:57:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

... But Carol, for the first time, is seriously questioning...

OK, so let me get this straight, you have now gone from the point at hand to questioning my veracity and my relationship both?

I'm pointing out a contradiction seated in your own writing.

don't expect me to beat around the bush out of fear of offending you both. Offering your relationship to the Springer crowd infers you have thicker skin than you're pretending. Either that or you see this entire forum employed to validate and support you. Truth is not all of us will.

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ORIGINAL: leadership527
Honestly Isaac, while it's certainly true that one must take what one reads on the internet with a grain of salt, if you really believe that I am a total fabrication, it's best just not to respond to me at all. Clearly nothing can ever be proven over the internet so if you choose to not believe, then the conversation is done with.

No issue. I'm fine with that.

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 7:52:59 PM

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Wow...I haven't been back to this thread since reading page one and there's all kinds of fighting going on.
And here I thought you guys were exchanging pedicure tips...

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RE: Foot worshipping Dom - 10/10/2009 7:58:14 PM

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Awwww, thank you, Des, I'm honored . . . . Of course.

& I'll take a smidge of a slice of that cake -- I'm off sugar mostly these days but I'll make an exception . . . . . .

& this thread remains as amusing as ever.

Leadership, I heart you & Carol -- it was exciting to hear from her, I must say . . . . . . Tho' that may taint you by association, lol . ...

Ah, I came up with some more anomalously 'dom worships feet' stuff (&, yeah, that last one had the genders the wrong way, but that's easily fixed; lol, it was maybe a little too based on reality . . .):

I concocted a femsub character to go with our anti-Mitty dom guy . . . . . I was trying to think of a femsub's possible occupation that would be glam / edgy / cool / whatever, & hard on the feet. Then I had what seemed like a very silly brilliant, ballet-dancer by day, stripper by night. (Has it been done before? Probably . . .. Ah, but was it BDSM? Was she maybe feminist & a slave?)

Ballet dancers, especially toe dancers, can have some fucked up feet that can really use lots o' TLC; spending their off-hours in stripper heels shaking their money makers, that's masochism right there . . . . Ballerinas, in & of themselves, are somewhat fetishized in & of themselves . .... It's really not much of a stretch to imagine a dom who'd want some of that . .. . ..

Okay, I do have to say that now that I have two interesting characters I'm feeling increasingly obligated to write a story out of this, thank you all, lol . . .

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