Elisabella
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama super short skirts and showing people her panties Those aren't panties. They're dance pants. And the skirt isn't a functional skirt, it's a bit of decoration over the dance pants. Having the dance pants short like that allows for maximum rotation of the hip socket. Like it or not, it's a functional design. quote:
Perverse and hyper-sexual as it is That depends on the routine. The hypersexual ones show a lack of talent, IMO. The talented cheer squads focus on gymnastic moves and dance. quote:
cheerleading is an athletic pursuit and the majority of athletes begin training and playing very young in this country. Most girls who become cheerleaders will have a background of ahtleticism even younger, with slightly more innocent activities like dance and gymnastics. Let's not forget they do it because they find it fun. It seems people who base their opinions on ideology have trouble seeing things as 'fun' and 'not fun' - they're either 'feminist' or 'not feminist.' quote:
In short--I don't consider this issue to be about adult women and their choices only. Cheerleaders ARE children to start with, and they remain underage for the majority of the time they will spend as cheerleaders, if you consider 18 a valid cut-off point for adult responsibility--I know that some people do not consider even people 18 or older to be "adults" around here, so I'm not going to get into that argument again. If this were your argument (that parents shouldn't be given the responsibility to make choices for their children) then I'm guessing nobody under 18 should be able to engage in any sport whatsoever seeing as how they run the risk of broken bones, paralysis or even death. quote:
It's a whole separate discussion to talk about the messages about sexuality and human worth that are being sent to all women by an institution like cheerleading and the dynamic you see between men and women on the playing field. I'd say it's more of a message about what type of body is better suited to what type of athletic pursuit. Women, on average, are worse at sports than men are. Olympic world records show that pretty clearly. quote:
I am not the sort of person who bashes male dominance and female submission in the private lives of consenting adults (or female-female adult D/S either, for that matter). I have no problem with people being feminists in the privacy of their own home either. It's when they have to go and do it in public that it gets on my nerves. quote:
But as a feminist I do object to a national passtime that basically instutionalizes female inferiority and sexist exploitation in such a very crude and obvious way. 1. How does cheerleading institutionalize female inferiority? Are we talking a general, across the board inferiority? Or are we talking inferiority in football and basketball? If it's the latter, well, women are inferior to men in basketball and football ability. Women have less height for basketball and less speed and shoulder width for football. 2. You've got every right to object to it, and to refuse to watch it. But don't expect everyone to have the same feminist values that you do. quote:
Especially when people refuse to "see what they're seeing" effectively, and actually think about what this spectacle says about them and their society. I think that what it says is that our society isn't terribly interested in embodying feminist ideology. That extreme feminists (those who want to change social interaction rather than just law) are in the minority and most people aren't too keen on making that feminist social interaction a reality. Now here's the part where you say the majority is wrong and that women who are happy and fulfilled leading unfeminist or even antifeminist lives are somehow self loathing for not giving up their happiness to follow the political paradigm you believe in.
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