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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 8:45:46 AM

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There are a few people that read, but do not post on these forums, that have communicated malicious intent in the past, one of which has a RO on them from a few years ago at a previous address. I contemplated posting that this was a hoax by me, but that doesn't sit well with me. I wish I had thought of this before posting, but I didn't. There is one small blurb, that gives my home address, but I am not going to post the link. If anyone that cares, when you find it, please do not post the link. I am ure there will be at least one person that will though, so that request will be for nothing.

Those that believe so, can believe that it is a hoax, or a metaphorical story, I don't care about either. What I do care about now is some information getting out, that I had not thought of before. Pretty stupid, but I will live with it.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 9:00:51 AM

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Thank God as many have said that you and yours are well. Thank for sharing too.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 9:02:43 AM

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You've always seemed credible, logical, and to be a good man to me, Orion. I don't need your address or proof from the internet to believe that.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 9:43:37 AM

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Yes, I can be - but only toward assholes who are deserving, as it should be.

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You really are an incredible asshole.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 11:18:29 AM

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Glad you and yours are safe. Sad it had to happen the way it did but you did what was necessary.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 11:26:12 AM

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I would think this would be 'news-worthy'; no matter what the agenda of the local news reporting sources.

All incidents of crimes averted by a firearm in the hands of a responsible citizen are newsworthy, and they are legion. See many? It doesn't require a political agenda to explain. It's simple economics.

News outlets decide what to publish on the basis of whatever they think will attract the larger audience for their advertisers. And there's always a three-headed chicken or a philandering politician (or a tragic crime victim) somewhere that will make a bigger splash. You don't need political bias or conspiracy theories to explain it.

Unfortunately, the result is that our Fourth Estate largely fails to perform its function of providing citizens with the information they need in order to make informed decisions. In this case, for example, with respect to gun control and the honesty of a man you would be wiser to believe when he tells you something.

K.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 11:35:04 AM

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You really are an incredible asshole.

FWIW, assholes have a purpose.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 11:36:06 AM

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You really are an incredible asshole.

FWIW, assholes have a purpose.

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yep...somewhere all the shit has to get out

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 11:50:40 AM

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Geez, how many CM posts does it take to get to the center of a flame war ? I guess the answer is about 100. A long time ago a friend of mine shot someone in his house. There was nothing on the news.

However this was in Cleveland and he was held three days under investigation. They were making sure that he was not a known associate or connected in any way. Afterwards he got the weapon back.

I don't know if this is a case of the law simply being different here, or the fact that he shot the guy in the back. The shooting was still justified because the thief was making of with one of my friend's guns. Had it been a TV set or something he probably wouldn't have opened fire.

But they DO suppress news of justifiable homocides and shootings. Sometimes they don't even make the police blotter in the local news.

Another thing they "forget" to mention is that of all the handgun deaths or shootings in this country most are done by LEOs, whether justified or by mistake. It is difficult to find real factual evidence of this, but it probably exists somewhere.

Thing is it makes sense. LEOs are almost always armed and they are the ones frequently in those situations. In other words I find it hard to disbelieve.

Also in this land of gun toting nuts like us, you are almost more likely to be killed by lightning than an errant gunshot. Other types of accidents actually take the cake. Even when they roll out the statistics on how many are killed by drunk drivers, they fail to mention that you are more likely to die in a hospital by malpractice than by front bumper.

But those supposedly solid sources with "hard" evidence do indeed put a spin on everything. If you had accidentally shot a family member it would be the story of the century.

Life is full of twists. My friend who shot the guy making off with one of his guns is now dead. He was killed by an excess of alcohol, coke and horsepower in the prime of life, and he took someone with him. Just a few months before that I was in his rather nice and large house drinking, and throwing each $150 shotglass into the fireplace. His business was finally turning a good profit and he had the world by the balls. I mean really. He practically stole that house and joked that he could probably make a hundred grand on it by washing the windows. He was one of the few people I know who turned down a sponsorship into the Masons. He was finally getting his piece of the pie for all his hard work and it was all for naught. And there wasn't a single firearm involved. His extensive gun collection was at home, nowhere near the spot where that tree jumped out in front of his car.

Sorry for using your thread as a sounding board, but these people are getting a bit out of hand. But this is CM, and we could probably argue for about a year whether checks should be written in blue or black ink.

IMO gun control IS being able to hit your target and I have a bumper sticker to that effect. But I will not use it because I am about as legal as a three dollar bill.

I wouldn't worry too much about people finding out your home address under these circumstances. If I find out I will be sure to knock before entering :-) Anyone who doesn't, well sorry about their luck.

T

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 12:21:07 PM

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You've always seemed credible, logical, and to be a good man to me, Orion. I don't need your address or proof from the internet to believe that.

Agreed, good post Louve. If Orion isnt credible in his posts, then who is.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 2:01:25 PM

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Really PS? possession of an illegal firearm, minimum sentence? On top of using it? On top of attempted murder? The Courts here would take a very dim view of these circumstances.

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So show me some evidence. The only high profile case I can recall recently is Tony Martin, who I mentioned.

Try this - http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/docs/attempted_murder_definitive_guideline.pdf

Its a whole bundla laughs so I wont be surprised if you dont get all the way through it.

E

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 2:17:50 PM

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Sure, there was one back in October, one in August....

Maybe Loki's right, they don't like their news fresh in Georgia. They like to wait several months before reporting their "news".

That's funny, because I never said anything like that. I said it's only blotter information unless more information via an interview can be obtained. If the homeowner ain't talkin' and the cops won't share, then they have nothing to run with the story.

Learn to read.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 2:23:39 PM

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Seems to me Orion came here for support in a time of awful stress. Also seems to me that he has always shown a consistent, honourable and ethical style in the past, even when disagreed with, such that I find it deeply distressing that he be here accused of confabulations - confabulations which incidentally he should have nothing to gain from - by someone long since proven to be an expert in such matters and utterly unashamed and undeterred on that account.

I therefore nominate said person for the highly unsought after award of the Estayehfoo Society of Collar Me. Can I get a seconder on that please?

E

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 3:42:08 PM

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OK...if he had died would it have been worth the junk in your basement big man?

Could you have quietly...with gun in hand called the police and said there was someone in your house then made sure your wife was safe...again with gun in hand and wait for the police to arrive...again with gun in hand?

Butch

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 3:53:35 PM

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Try this - http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/docs/attempted_murder_definitive_guideline.pdf

Its a whole bundla laughs so I wont be surprised if you dont get all the way through it.

E

Yet someone else who doesnt read the links they post. Try section A 3 and you will come across the following.

" It is an essential element of the offence of attempted murder that the offender had an intention to kill; accordingly an offender convicted of this offence will have demonstrated a high level of culpability. "

Then if you scroll right down, you can read that self defence can be used as mitigating circumstances.

You have also gone way off beam, since your first comment ( the one I argued with ) was about 20 year sentences for self defence. Your link is about attempted murder. Thats a different kettle of fish altogether. Anyone getting a long sentence for killing an intruder here has normally been proved to have used excessive force. IE the case where a guy went to the burglars house and stabbed him twelve times, that was revenge and not self defence.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 3:57:08 PM

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After some thought...It is hard with all the drugs I am on after two levels of posterior lumber fusion surgery 4 days ago… I sounded like a ass...sorry. But I do stand by the jest of my post. I would have called the police instead of confronting him. What would have happened if he killed you...then who would protect your wife and kids.

But in a life and death decision on the spur of the moment you could not be faulted however you reacted...again forgive my brashness.

Butch

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 4:07:57 PM

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Whatever PS; its attempted murder - three shots remember - with an illegally held firearm, upon someone who posed no immediate threat such that it cannot possibly be self defence. No mitigation there, only exacerbation warranting a fixed mandatory of at least 20 years.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 4:17:12 PM

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Whatever PS; its attempted murder - three shots remember - with an illegally held firearm, upon someone who posed no immediate threat such that it cannot possibly be self defence. No mitigation there, only exacerbation warranting a fixed mandatory of at least 20 years.

E

You are quite wrong. In the Martin case he was found guilty for shooting a fleeing burglar in the back. This was as the scumbag was escaping through a window. Orion fired as the burglar reached for his gun, thats self defence in anyones language.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 4:20:29 PM

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OK...if he had died would it have been worth the junk in your basement big man?

Could you have quietly...with gun in hand called the police and said there was someone in your house then made sure your wife was safe...again with gun in hand and wait for the police to arrive...again with gun in hand?

Butch

But he had other family members in other parts of the house - an elderly father, and an even elderlier grandmother. withdrawing into the bedroom with his wife or partner would have still left the other family members vulnerable to a man who, it turns out, was armed with both a knife and a gun. He had no choice but to confront and contain the threat right where it was.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/7/2009 4:21:17 PM

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You will have noted that the guidelines have been updated following the Martin case of course.

There is no evidence whatever that Orion knew the intruder was going for a gun or indeed any weapon. The English law is very clear on this matter - unilateral attack is not self defence. Self defence is only legitimate when it is proportionate to attack and threat - there was no attack and there was no threat (the intruder being held at gunpoint) and therefore there was no self defence.

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