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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 11:20:24 AM

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Interesting. Housewives in the old days stayed home,took care of the place kids etc....they had the security of marriage and the ability to collect child support and alimony if things went south.

But what security Does the "master" offer the stay at home slave? Some meaningless collar that any judge would laugh at? I think any women wearing rose colored glasses enough to consider giving up everything to 24/7 serve some dude with a kink had best be prepared to ask what the severance pay is going to be.

If the answer is "nada", think again.

Forever usually ends MUCH sooner than you think-and then where will you be?

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 11:58:00 AM

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No and I would not expect my slave to either.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 12:11:29 PM

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I really think if one has "mastered themselves" enough to have a stay at home slave-they can also "master themselves" enough to put twenty grand in the bank as a safety net BEFORE taking the slave on. And leave that cash the hell alone-and only the slave can acess it-after a break up.

I'd generally call that "Putting your money where your mouth is."

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 12:47:18 PM

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I won't submit to a situation where I have to give up my outside earnings.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 12:49:39 PM

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I really think if one has "mastered themselves" enough to have a stay at home slave-they can also "master themselves" enough to put twenty grand in the bank as a safety net BEFORE taking the slave on. And leave that cash the hell alone-and only the slave can acess it-after a break up.

I'd generally call that "Putting your money where your mouth is."

20k at age 65 is a joke, try again.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 12:55:08 PM

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I really think if one has "mastered themselves" enough to have a stay at home slave-they can also "master themselves" enough to put twenty grand in the bank as a safety net BEFORE taking the slave on. And leave that cash the hell alone-and only the slave can acess it-after a break up.

I'd generally call that "Putting your money where your mouth is."

20k at age 65 is a joke, try again.

I know, that's only to start with. Hopefully he or she also has some other means to put more into the account. That the Top is not allowed to blow-but contributes a share to household expenses etc...... twenty grand just shows the Top has the MEANS to get it going-and isn't just full of crap.-and wanting a free maid.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:01:00 PM

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I really think if one has "mastered themselves" enough to have a stay at home slave-they can also "master themselves" enough to put twenty grand in the bank as a safety net BEFORE taking the slave on. And leave that cash the hell alone-and only the slave can acess it-after a break up.

I'd generally call that "Putting your money where your mouth is."

Really?
From another perspective it could be called planning for failure. Amazingly this is one self fulfilling prophecy where usually the actual result lives up to expectation.

I'd agree with the concept of "mastering yourself" and have posted in the referenced thread that to achieve it you must first be confident in knowing yourself. If the lifestyle reference was removed and replaced with a less esoteric reference, and the surrender was even more global, would all the answers be the same?

Would you give up everything to achieve happiness and personal fulfillment?

There are some who have undertaken the process and have answered in the positive. We see them all around us. Those giving everything with negative personal consequences to better serve an advocation. There were plenty doing just that who organized and worked in soup kitchens yesterday. I'd dare say that not all priests entered the priesthood as an alternative to NAMBLA.

Yet, those using the standard of happiness and personal fulfillment in lifestyle terms are seen as less astute and fools in their endeavor? Why should it be different for those who see lifestyle submission as a similar life path and/or goal, and see it as a similarly valued vocation?

Mother Theressa's submission was her career. Is there any doubt that her talents could have been applied in a fashion that would have resulted in personal assets and wealth she didn't have in her chosen path? Would you apply the term "doormat" to her life?

In no case is this a requirement or absolute, but the ability to entertain the possibility should not be so easily dismissed as fool-hearty. At the end of the "career" those keeping score can measure success by totaling the dollar value of assets you've acquired. The beneficiaries of your will will greatly appreciate you efforts. Giving up that definition of "success" and instead measuring it by the passion and accomplishments of a relationship may piss off your progeny, but ultimately you are serving yourself.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:05:28 PM

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To be a "man" is to adopt and adhere to a series of beliefs, not just having a penis. These beliefs and practices range from everything from not crying to being strong and productive to not raping.

There's a lot of pride and esteem associated with being a man; males who aren't men often have a lot of ridicule associated with them. They're seen as weak, perverted, sick, or otherwise distasteful or undesirable.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:13:30 PM

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I have spoken to many young and foolish who have done just this- thrown their careers away for submission. They might have an odd job here and there, but they dont get anywhere because they keep relocating as live in subs/slaves. They do not finish college or develop a good job history.

When I get a live in slave of my own, I will train her never to do this.

If you must constantly be in someone's control and you will not get married, the solution is to move to a big city where you will always be able to find someone and also keep a consistent career. Or you can find a career where you can work from home or telecommute.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:13:33 PM

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Merc.

What happens if the master dies tomorrow? Is life insurance a self fullfilling prophecy for death? Or is it caring for your loved ones?

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:15:47 PM

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I have spoken to many young and foolish who have done just this- thrown their careers away for submission. They might have an odd job here and there, but they dont get anywhere because they keep relocating as live in subs/slaves. They do not finish college or develop a good job history.

When I get a live in slave of my own, I will train her never to do this.

If you must constantly be in someone's control and you will not get married, the solution is to move to a big city where you will always be able to find someone and also keep a consistent career. Or you can find a career where you can work from home or telecommute.

Exactly-a healthy thing where a woman can still be productive and see to her retirement.

Rather than some "pie in the sky" romantic idiocy.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:17:47 PM

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Before this becomes total comedy, what makes any of you believe the sub doesn't hold the key to making green out of smoke?

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:19:17 PM

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Before this becomes total comedy, what makes any of you believe the sub doesn't hold the key to making green out of smoke?

Nothing, competent and creative adults have mondo ability.

If they are smart enough to not hook up with a fool who prevents it.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:45:57 PM

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Are you willing to give up (or pause) your career in order to be in a service position full time?

Yes, provided that it did not harm my well-being.

Well, 17 months later, I put my money where my mouth was. I quit my career, packed up or donated the things that I have and moved over 3,700 miles to serve. For the next couple of months I will be without a job while he and Alandra work. It is highly unlikely that any job I get in the near future will be a career. They will be a means to an end; their purpose is to make enough money for retirement in the event the funds are needed.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:48:54 PM

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Are you willing to give up (or pause) your career in order to be in a service position full time?

Yes, provided that it did not harm my well-being.

Well, 17 months later, I put my money where my mouth was. I quit my career, packed up or donated the things that I have and moved over 3,700 miles to serve. For the next couple of months I will be without a job while he and Alandra work. It is highly unlikely that any job I get in the near future will be a career. They will be a means to an end; their purpose is to make enough money for retirement in the event the funds are needed.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:48:57 PM

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Are you willing to give up (or pause) your career in order to be in a service position full time?

Yes, provided that it did not harm my well-being.

Well, 17 months later, I put my money where my mouth was. I quit my career, packed up or donated the things that I have and moved over 3,700 miles to serve. For the next couple of months I will be without a job while he and Alandra work. It is highly unlikely that any job I get in the near future will be a career. They will be a means to an end; their purpose is to make enough money for retirement in the event the funds are needed.

Knight's Kyra

Have you considered some work you can do from home as well?

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:53:01 PM

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I have spoken to many young and foolish who have done just this- thrown their careers away for submission. They might have an odd job here and there, but they dont get anywhere because they keep relocating as live in subs/slaves. They do not finish college or develop a good job history.

Well, it wasn't much of a life that they gave up anyway was it?

If you have no self value or self worth you are more likely to toss it away without much consideration. I'd say this is an example of blaming someone else for taking a path which most likely would result in failure. What a great crutch it is to point to a cause other than yourself for failure.

What happened with the judgment of these career minded individuals? Why it is assumed that the same poor judgment they used to pick the wrong or bad exploiting partner wouldn't apply to their career or educational choices. Does judging and evaluating the potential of a relationship and its future use a different skill set? People are consistent as are their irrational choices The difference is, in a relationship, you have the luxury of being able to point to someone else as the cause of your failure to 'project out' the consequences of your decision.

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What happens if the master dies tomorrow? Is life insurance a self fullfilling prophecy for death? Or is it caring for your loved ones?

Don't know leather, I guess if you can require a dollar amount of coverage as a condition of your service.

Let's see, before you said "put twenty grand in the bank as a safety net BEFORE taking the slave on". So for you, $20,000 is the value you place on submission. Now for me, having that position would disqualify you from consideration. However, taking a completely pragmatic approach; putting $20k in the bank for slave providing life-long 24/7 sexual access, housecleaning, cooking, and social interaction is a bargain! Hell, I had to add a few zeros to that number to get RID of a wife. As far as the life insurance, that's a bigger bargain. $100k would only cost a man of my age $356/year! At 25 it would be less than $100/year.

Whose the "fool" leather, a person happy and confident in a relationship or one measuring their success by the amount of cash on hand, or the life insurance they have on their partner? We all have our own personal value system. Just make sure that your's and your partner's are compatible and you can look forward to spending the rest of your life hoping for that "best case" scenario - they die before you.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:55:14 PM

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It's a circle jerk kids. We get I won't back down and then we get I will lay down.

Fuck it.

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:55:23 PM

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Merc.

If you die tomorrow, is beth provided for?

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RE: Would you give up your career for submission? - 12/26/2007 1:59:39 PM

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Thank you, Level. It has made for the best Christmas in several years for all of us.

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