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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 4:47:27 AM

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Angelic.. hun.. i loves ya... but you need to realize something... it's not going to matter what you think... what you say... what you point out that you are trying to understand... you're going to get jumped.. because you do not understand... and are trying to... because your OPINION threatens SOME... because you might possible make someone think twice. So all though I personally see..what you are saying.. where you are going with this... you might as well figure it out....you will always be known as the one... (like me to most) as one who has no idea what the hell they're talking about... because the more information you seek... the more you argue... WHILE TRYING to understand.... they'll argue more that you are wrong and jumping to the wrong conclusions in your journey to seek more information so to be able to understand more.

Good luck though.... smiles

I haven't seen her say anywhere that she was only trying to understand. She seems to have her own personal agenda in asking these inflamatory questions. She has made a lot of inaccurate assumptions and negative judgments about a response to a simple question, that to me doesn't reflect someone trying to understand a situation. The reception to the questions (which in my opinion was rather civil), probably would have been even better if the assumptions and negative judgments were not made so quickly.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 5:00:16 AM

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how would you feel if the One you have given your heart and soul to suddenly decided you weren't enough and He needed another?

What I am hearing from you is that there is no room in an intimate relationship with you for a person to change and grow and expand their experiences. That to do so, would be seen as betrayal and a lie to what was first presented. I can understand why you are so vehemently opposed to change if this is the case.

People change and grow. We learn and discover new things about ourselves and each experience we have spurs new changes and growth. My belief is that the closer we come to actualizing our inner-self and demonstrate behaviors that are true to it, the happier we become. To force any of my partners to not be true to their inner-selves, even if that means we are no longer compatible as partners, would be to force them to be miserable, unhappy and never reach their full potential. People and relationships are not static, they grow and change. Sometimes you grow and change together. Sometimes the growth and change seperates you, but if you love the person you wish them the best and support them in their decisions.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 11:59:32 AM

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krya... please forgive me.. alandra should be responding not you... you speak for her now?

keep your shallow request of forgiveness... It's not your place to determine who should be responding on the behalf of my girls.. it is my place.!

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 12:06:42 PM

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then i have to ask this question...(some assumptions here... so i apologize for that)... she is standing there vowing to you and You are vowing to her... and so easily you can say 'kiss my butt' you are gone?

again keep your shallow appology... for your behavior very clearly shows that your not sorry!

I never said it is easy/hard or simple/complex... I jsut gave you the consequences of her saying No and breaking her Vows!

A person that breaks their vows to another automatically releases that person from their vows. Now I can choose to forgive the breaking of a the Vow... and keep both vows intact with Forgiveness and Reconcilation or I can end the relationship. But, breaking a Vow that is fundamental to the relationship will not result in forgiveness or reconcilations. I tried it once.. NEVER AGAIN.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 12:15:46 PM

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did You not put a ring on her finger??? did You not VOW to her??? did she not VOW to You? so were Your vows bullcrap?

Do you even know what our vows are?!! ... In your Narrow-Mindedness... did you stop to consider that? If you did... you might of actually asked what the Vows where before for projecting your pain from someone breaking vows to you...on to me and making a highly negative judgement! I am not your whipping post just because you can't deal with pain of someone hurting you by breaking vows.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 12:19:18 PM

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KoM,
When I quote you after August, I'll give you credit! GREAT!

Thank you.. but not necessary. I wish you and beth both the joyous of events in August.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 12:22:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

:the clouds of darkness part and the sun finally breaks through.. birds sing, a cat is seen chasing a butterfly::

KoM, you're not going to have a clue why I'm saying this.. but..

THANK YOU!

Celeste

your very welcome..... So you come to terms and reconciled the proper place of the Slave to himself and the wife to Himself? I am happy for you

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 12:26:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: angelic

did He make the same vow?

Of course not. Why on Earth would a Master promise to obey a slave?

God... I haven't have a clue to this one... But, I am sure it is someone's kink out there to a slave to ones slave.

< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 3/23/2006 12:28:31 PM >

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 12:38:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u
Angelic.. hun.. i loves ya... but you need to realize something... it's not going to matter what you think... what you say... what you point out that you are trying to understand... you're going to get jumped.. because you do not understand... and are trying to... because your OPINION threatens SOME... because you might possible make someone think twice. So all though I personally see..what you are saying.. where you are going with this... you might as well figure it out....you will always be known as the one... (like me to most) as one who has no idea what the hell they're talking about... because the more information you seek... the more you argue... WHILE TRYING to understand.... they'll argue more that you are wrong and jumping to the wrong conclusions in your journey to seek more information so to be able to understand more.

Your right... it's not going to matter what she or you think in other peoples lives that do not consider you significant beyond another human being that breaths air.

This is not a person that is trying to understand others... This is a person shows behaviors that show is in alot of pain and angry for actions in her past. What she is truly trying to understand is how some could hurt her so badly! She is projecting her pain and emotions in her judgements of others words and actions that she has no informed information about.

Her behavior and thoughts are not going to make anyone think twice about there relationship... but it's clear she wished she would of thought twice in her own situation. But, her situation is not the sitaution of most. but, you truly do Identify with her... I am not surprized by it, but I do find it sad.

You can't help a blind man that has never seen the blue sky... what a blue sky looks like! When you and angelic learn to see... then you will be ready to understand not before!

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 12:50:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
KoM, Thank you for your post. i read it a few times and i think i understand where you're coming from. Openmindedness is a trait i respect and admire; Many people do not hold such a trait. i appreciate Your candor. Thank you.

Thank you... I am indeed very candor in my thoughts and expressions. I freely admit that sometimes my way to express is harsh and overly direct for some. However, in honesty .... there is only a very very few on this board that I hold any type of significance towards.... it's these that get the very best of me... it's is these that get my energy! I am not a compassionate person in general... I do not profess to be so and the little compassion that I have will be directed to those that are significant to me and even then I am sure they could use a little more of it from at times.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 12:57:53 PM

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did You not put a ring on her finger??? did You not VOW to her??? did she not VOW to You? so were Your vows bullcrap?

Do you even know what our vows are?!! ... In your Narrow-Mindedness... did you stop to consider that? If you did... you might of actually asked what the Vows where before for projecting your pain from someone breaking vows to you...on to me and making a highly negative judgement! I am not your whipping post just because you can't deal with pain of someone hurting you by breaking vows.

no i do not know what Your vows were. Without going back to look i'm pretty sure i said that i have zero problem with poly relationships, it may not be for me, but i accept that it is for some and have no problem with it. i assumed because of the relationship You have with alandra, krya and denika that every single person knew before going into the relationship!!! i.e. that when You married alandra she knew then that there would be others added to the household, that krya knew about alandra, etc.. imo that makes You an honorable man. So if You felt like i was pointing fingers at You or Your's, well You were incorrect.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 1:01:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
KoM, Thank you for your post. i read it a few times and i think i understand where you're coming from. Openmindedness is a trait i respect and admire; Many people do not hold such a trait. i appreciate Your candor. Thank you.

Thank you... I am indeed very candor in my thoughts and expressions. I freely admit that sometimes my way to express is harsh and overly direct for some. However, in honesty .... there is only a very very few on this board that I hold any type of significance towards.... it's these that get the very best of me... it's is these that get my energy! I am not a compassionate person in general... I do not profess to be so and the little compassion that I have will be directed to those that are significant to me and even then I am sure they could use a little more of it from at times.

i understand and appreciate this. Having been the "target" (for lack of a better word) of some of your questionings, i have seen that harshness! LOL But i respect anyone who holds true to their principles, whether i agree with them or not. And my skin is not so thin that i can't take a grilling now & again...heh. But like you, i choose where to spend my energy, and those closest to me, or those who hold most significance to me (i like your way of putting that) get the most of it. :)

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 1:02:44 PM

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All I know is that people who are truly trying to understand don't take such a combative stance. I think that was one of the most focused attacks I've seen on these boards...all in the name of "understanding." Okey dokey.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 3:15:23 PM

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It sounds to me like with all this talk of not wasting energy on those not significant to you means y'all don't want to discuss it anymore. I declare it over.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 3:29:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sub03

Im not married but I am engaged to be married to a vanilla man and I still have a Dom. He gives me what my vanilla fiance can't. But it dosen't take away any feelings I have for my fiance. And I take my responsibility and commitement to my Dom very seriously, me having a fiance dosen't take anything away from my Dom.

Ok, But does your fiance Know???

my opinion in a situation like this...is if it works for you then kudos..BUT i do believe any SO should know about the situation, if you are married with a Dom/me, then your SO should know about both parts of your life...this lifestyle is based on trust and communication, leaving out information and lying doesnt respresent a very good or healthy relationship

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 3:32:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
Your right... it's not going to matter what she or you think in other peoples lives that do not consider you significant beyond another human being that breaths air.

but, you truly do Identify with her... I am not surprized by it, but I do find it sad.

You can't help a blind man that has never seen the blue sky... what a blue sky looks like! When you and angelic learn to see... then you will be ready to understand not before!

KoM.... shall I bow down to the oh mighty one while I speak?... I think NOT. All because I do not see eye to eye with you... I know... and understand more than I'm allowed by moderators to express on this forum....

Edited only because one of whom I have the utmost respect for requested I do so.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 3:40:17 PM

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to add to true's post: i 'see' just fine. i will not, however, kiss someone's ass just because they call themselves "Master". it's not my job.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 3:43:22 PM

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Well, I am married to My submissive husband, who in the beginning was My slave. I have an eternal lifetime contract on him that states he is My poperty and has no right to roam in any way, shape or form. On the flip side of this I am looking for a new slave for My household. This slave will answer to Me and Me alone. My sub-hub is incredibly supportive of Me collaring a slave for this because it keeps him from having to fulfill the duties that he finds less pleasant. Since I am very much in love with My sub-hub and it is a Vanilla love that W/we share (even though W/we live a Female-Led Lifestyle). This in no way means that I do not have enough love, compassion and kindness for a new slave.

Lady Medhbh

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 3:54:44 PM

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Well, I am married to My submissive husband, who in the beginning was My slave. I have an eternal lifetime contract on him that states he is My poperty and has no right to roam in any way, shape or form. On the flip side of this I am looking for a new slave for My household. This slave will answer to Me and Me alone. My sub-hub is incredibly supportive of Me collaring a slave for this because it keeps him from having to fulfill the duties that he finds less pleasant. Since I am very much in love with My sub-hub and it is a Vanilla love that W/we share (even though W/we live a Female-Led Lifestyle). This in no way means that I do not have enough love, compassion and kindness for a new slave.

Lady Medhbh

did he know that You would be seeking another, Ma'am?

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 4:09:07 PM

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takes the stick away from all of you so we can stop beating this dead horse to death......

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