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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 4:10:10 PM   
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where is owned or true with the apples?

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 4:17:48 PM   
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KoM.... shall I bow down to the oh mighty one while I speak?... I think NOT. All because I do not see eye to eye with you... I know... and understand more than I'm allowed by moderators to express on this forum.... so while you sit over there on your thrown looking down at us little people... remember.. other empires have crumbled.... and so will yours one day.


Yes, each day we all get a little older, decay a little more till one day we are all nothing but dust.  But in the meantime the Mists house is having a hell of a lot of fun, with days filled with laughter, love, devotion and passion until that eventual day when we will be nothing but dust.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 4:19:00 PM   
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The question was asked, “what if [alandra] felt threatened by you kyra?  soooo... poof divorced...”

After discussing this with my Lord, I have decided to answer with exactly what would happen and my own experience when it happened with me when I felt threatened by denika.  This is not something I would typically share outside of the house, but I think those who truly wish to understand will gain a greater depth and insight into our house and how it works.

First, there is a big difference between saying “my Lord, I feel threatened by your relationship with kyra” and saying, “my Lord no, you cannot have a relationship with kyra”  I keep repeating this concept, but it is a very important to distinguish between the two.

Shortly after my Lord and I entered an M/s relationship, he met denika and soon after that he began playing and being intimate with her.  For many reasons, I felt threatened by her and their relationship.  There was a lot of pain, negative thoughts and doubts in my mind about my relationship with him and my ability to be in it.  I asked permission to discuss my thoughts, feelings and opinions on this subject and I shared it all with him.  To say that the conversations were wonderful and cleared it all up would be highly inaccurate.  They were painful, heart-wrenching and many mistakes in communication were made on both sides that caused unnecessary hurt. 

First, he looked at his behavior in his direct interactions with me and we both agreed that it was not the cause.  He looked at denika’s behavior in her direct interactions with me and we agreed that was not the cause.  The root of the issue was my own insecurities and my own negative thoughts and perceptions.  I had to ask myself a couple of extremely simple but life altering questions:

Can I accept him for who he is; not who I want him to be or perceive him to be, but who he actually is?

Does who he is negatively or positively impact my well-being?

The first was easy; I love him so I can accept who he is and I don’t want him to try and be something he is not because that will only cause him pain in the long run.  The second was not so easy and it took weeks/months of introspection and examining my own thoughts and feelings.  See it is my belief that when a person feels threatened by someone else, the cause is most often their own insecurities and negative thinking and rarely a result of the other person’s behavior.  This is what I had to work on, my own thoughts, feelings and perceptions.  I didn’t concentrate on my Lord or denika’s behavior, because the solution was within me.

It took months of painful conversations and growth on my part to overcome my insecurities and change the negative thought patterns.  Through it all, my Lord and alandra supported me and helped me in anyway they could.  denika supported me by doing one simple thing… not changing her behavior with my Lord.  If either denika or my Lord had changed their behavior with each other it would have cheated me and the relationships out of all the positive growth that has happened over the last year.

So if alandra had felt threatened by me, he would have made sure that neither my behavior nor his was the cause and then we both would have supported her in dealing with her own insecurities and thoughts that was causing the feeling.  Divorce or ending the M/s relationship is not the consequence of feeling threatened.  Those are the consequences of saying no to the commitments and vows made in the relationship and what it stands for.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 4:31:13 PM   
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kyra, thank you.  Well said, even though you were aware going in that you would never be the only one in his heart (i'm assuming here that you knew about alandra in advance), you had doubts that (i'm guessing) he helped you work through. 

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 5:41:55 PM   
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It sounds to me like with all this talk of not wasting energy on those not significant to you means y'all don't want to discuss it anymore. I declare it over.


LOL i didn't think i was wasting my energy there.  i was agreeing with him, and that's a good thing!

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 6:31:45 PM   
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It sounds to me like with all this talk of not wasting energy on those not significant to you means y'all don't want to discuss it anymore. I declare it over.


LOL i didn't think i was wasting my energy there.  i was agreeing with him, and that's a good thing!


Owned, that wasn't addressed to just you, trust me. I know you are a friendly person who doesn't mind someone commenting is why I replied to your post.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 7:13:30 PM   
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Owned, that wasn't addressed to just you, trust me. I know you are a friendly person who doesn't mind someone commenting is why I replied to your post.


Ohhhh okay.  No, i don't typically mind comments unless they are crass or rude, but then i typically ignore those. ;)

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 7:38:49 PM   
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The bottom line is usually this...people favor what makes them most comfortable, and anything else seems lacking in some regard. For the monogamous folks, nothing else will do...an intimate interwining of two souls into one...how can there be room for anyone else? How can poly folks possibly have that intense connection? For the poly folks, how can anyone ever be everything to another? How can love not exist for many as much as it exists for one? It's that old..." it doesn't matter how much love you give away,  you always have more to give. "The real truth is that both lifestyles are fraught with their own unique problems and difficulties- but even more amazing, is how many issues can be the same for both ..time management, defining of roles, off-time, play time, jealousy,..and on and on...Now, I  realize I have not even covered all the variances of relationships there are- ones that involve no romance at all , for instance, but my point is the same...we tend to all think our own situation is the best one...and of course , it is! I don't have to defend my choices, nor does anyone else. The life I have with Master is what works for us. I can try to be " tolerant" of other viewpoints, meaning that I can let someone be free to make their own choices, but that doesn't mean I will ever understand them completely. All I can do is listen and learn, and continue to do those things that make me happiest-loving and serving the one I love.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/23/2006 10:08:35 PM   
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After reading all the posts to this, it's easy to see (in my humble opinion) that there is no answer as to is this right or wrong. it is totally a basis on who is doing it and is it working for them. Some people and animals are monogamous, some just are not. If you are happily married vanilla and do not want to end the marriage but you kow you need to have a Master or Mistress or slave to make your life complete, you do have choices: go behind your partners back and risk hurting them, be completely honest and open with your partner as to what you need in your life. If they love you and you love them you can usually work out something that works for both of you. Because realistically, no matter how much you love your spouse, if there is a major part of your life missing, you will eventually destroy the relationship you have anyway.

i have been owned by One, i've lived with a couple where i was only His, she was not bi. i've married vanilla (total disaster) and i've been a play sub for couples. Each experience has it's merits and it's downfalls.

What must be realized is anything can be made to work if you want it enough and are willing to work at it and the costs of getting it is acceptable to all the parties involved.

Personally i believe honesty is always best in every situation. and most of all be true to yourself. if you could not handle a poly situation, don't enter into it thinking it'll be ok. because it wont. But it can be one of the most amazing loving experiences of your life as well.

*giggles* i'll shush now

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 1:09:49 PM   
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Hi akisha, that was really well said. Thank you

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 1:18:19 PM   
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i am sorry, i think it is wrong and just stupid to be married to one person and collared to someone else... It makes the life style a joke to those who truly take it to heart... i was once collared to a married man for 7 years... i knew he would never leave his wife and family, and at that time i didnt want him too... With time i grew and needed more in my life, more then he would ever be able to give...
 
It is like cyber, it isnt real...
 
~lowers her eyes in respect~
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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 1:32:03 PM   
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i am sorry, i think it is wrong and just stupid to be married to one person and collared to someone else... It makes the life style a joke to those who truly take it to heart... i was once collared to a married man for 7 years... i knew he would never leave his wife and family, and at that time i didnt want him too... With time i grew and needed more in my life, more then he would ever be able to give...
 
It is like cyber, it isnt real...
 
~lowers her eyes in respect~
~kitten

Respect to who???  Anyone who doesn't do relationships within your accepted guidelines and doesn't have a relationship like any you've been burned by in the past?

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 1:58:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox

i am sorry, i think it is wrong and just stupid to be married to one person and collared to someone else... It makes the life style a joke to those who truly take it to heart... i was once collared to a married man for 7 years... i knew he would never leave his wife and family, and at that time i didnt want him too... With time i grew and needed more in my life, more then he would ever be able to give...
 
It is like cyber, it isnt real...
 
~lowers her eyes in respect~
~kitten

Respect to who???  Anyone who doesn't do relationships within your accepted guidelines and doesn't have a relationship like any you've been burned by in the past?


WOW LA.. been  awhile sense we both agreed on something. Lowering eyes in respect of who?,.... what?


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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 2:10:59 PM   
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It must be respect for all the "wrong" and "stupid" people who don't share her narrowminded opinion.  Yeah, that's it.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 2:45:24 PM   
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i am sorry, i think it is wrong and just stupid to be married to one person and collared to someone else... It makes the life style a joke to those who truly take it to heart... i was once collared to a married man for 7 years... i knew he would never leave his wife and family, and at that time i didnt want him too... With time i grew and needed more in my life, more then he would ever be able to give...
 
It is like cyber, it isnt real...
 
~lowers her eyes in respect~
~kitten
You know, I was all set to reply to this person. But then I thought: "Why would I really want to. She's obviously a waste of bandwidth." She makes this kind of statement here but on her profile has pics of her breasts? Talk about being a joke to the lifestyle.
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lowers her eyes in respect
HA! Thats a laughable statement. Nothing worse then an oxymoron in action.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 3:07:12 PM   
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quote:

i am sorry, i think it is wrong and just stupid to be married to one person and collared to someone else... It makes the life style a joke to those who truly take it to heart... i was once collared to a married man for 7 years... i knew he would never leave his wife and family, and at that time i didnt want him too... With time i grew and needed more in my life, more then he would ever be able to give...
 
It is like cyber, it isnt real...
 
~lowers her eyes in respect~
~kitten
You know, I was all set to reply to this person. But then I thought: "Why would I really want to. She's obviously a waste of bandwidth." She makes this kind of statement here but on her profile has pics of her breasts? Talk about being a joke to the lifestyle.
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lowers her eyes in respect
HA! Thats a laughable statement. Nothing worse then an oxymoron in action.


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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 3:20:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox

i am sorry, i think it is wrong and just stupid to be married to one person and collared to someone else... It makes the life style a joke to those who truly take it to heart... i was once collared to a married man for 7 years... i knew he would never leave his wife and family, and at that time i didnt want him too... With time i grew and needed more in my life, more then he would ever be able to give...
 
It is like cyber, it isnt real...
 
~lowers her eyes in respect~
~kitten


"i am just observing... ..."  That is from your profile....


Just for the record, Observing is what i've been doing up till this post... What a way to make an entrance!!!


edited because i can't spell!



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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 3:27:29 PM   
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Didn't mean to seem like I as declawing... but Damn. I about said the same thing.... ALMOST... what I did do iwas stuck my foot right in my mouth when I posted what I did... but I spit it back out.. I didn't keep chewing on it!... LOL

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 10:25:17 PM   
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quote:

i am sorry, i think it is wrong and just stupid to be married to one person and collared to someone else... It makes the life style a joke to those who truly take it to heart... i was once collared to a married man for 7 years... i knew he would never leave his wife and family, and at that time i didnt want him too... With time i grew and needed more in my life, more then he would ever be able to give...

 
It is like cyber, it isnt real...
 
~lowers her eyes in respect~
~kitten
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That is so unfair and uninformed to say.
There is no right and wrong excpet what is right or wrong for the individual or individuals involved.
One of the greatest things i love about this lifestyle is most others except you for who and what you are and what need or are not willing to do.
It is no ones place to say what works for some is wrong.

years ago i orriginally looked at a poly situation and thought. now how the hell would that work. there is no way i'd ever do that. But then a few years later, i was welcomed into the home of very good friends, and it made our relationsip better and closer. We are still family even though i no longer live with them. They're whole family adopted me and i'm still expected and invited to all the family gatherings.

i'm not saying a poly relationship or a multiple partner realationsip works for everyone, because it doesn't. And realistically most only last a short time because peoples needs and wants change consistantly.

If you know it would never work for you that is fine, then never do it. but why judge something that you've never experienced and condem it for everyone?

There are so many things i've never done, some of them i don;'t think i'd ever want to try *smiles* but i'd not condem anyone else for wanting and liking them. Unless it hurt innocent children. that is one thing i wont condone.

i quit playing completely during my marriage to my nilla husband out of respect for him and the fact that He did not agree with outside play. and it worked, for a couple years, then my fustration grew. i was totally disatisfied with my life. i learned i can not live with out a Master and he learned he could not give me that or allow me to find it else where. Hence i am single again.

This whole lifestyle is really hard enough with out us condeming each other from with in. If the person that is married but collared to a different person is happy, and tha vanilla spouse is happy, and the Dom/me or slave is happy. Who are they hurting? Why should anyone judge something that works well for them?

ok, i'm almost done lol. i discussed the possibility of entering a poly relationship with my mother ( a very non liberal women) and at first she freaked until i made her sit down and think of the positive aspects of such a relationship. After a few minute of thinking, she admitted that if everyone is happy and taken care of then really what could she say against it. Her worry ofcourse was mainly for my daughter being in a non conventional household.

All i ask is for those who are soo against it, just sit and think for a few minutes as to how much love and comfort and support there is in a poly relationship. In a household where there is always someone to help, always someone to hold you, always someone to talk to. If your husband is nilla, but gives you the gift of his trust to let you serve Another that will fulfil i desperate need in your life, is rewarded with a much more content, happy and loving spouse. Plus, usually ends up finding a really good friend in the One she is serving.

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RE: Collars when married to others - 3/24/2006 10:32:47 PM   
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Grabs a shovel... and wonders... do they play taps for dead horses as well?

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