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the sub/slave has sought me out and I can in turn reject them for such behavior



There are some of us who are persued by Doms, just a little FYI. And what "such behavior" are you referring to? You are quoting after osf admits he loves sophie who has just admitted that she would defend herself for being abused. Can you clarify please?

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

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 I mean as a fantasy, sure, but reality?  No way.

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lots state that's the way they want to be treated, lots

Thus my fantasy comment.  I personally prefer reality.  Quirky, eh?

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ORIGINAL: MsDDom

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the sub/slave has sought me out and I can in turn reject them for such behavior



There are some of us who are persued by Doms, just a little FYI. And what "such behavior" are you referring to? You are quoting after osf admits he loves sophie who has just admitted that she would defend herself for being abused. Can you clarify please?

...my comment is based on the OPs original question---that is what I replied to. I did not read any other replies...

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

LOL  do you really think that people are going to change their definitions because you stomp your foot and say, "NO... You have to think of it my way!!!"

Now, stop asking all these silly questions.  I'm not going to answer any more of them. 

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LOL  do you really think that people are going to change their definitions because you stomp your foot and say, "NO... You have to think of it my way!!!"

Now, stop asking all these silly questions.  I'm not going to answer any more of them. 

when i postulate the argument then my definitions should prevail

doesn't mean you have to personally agree with it, just means we are discussing apples to apples etc

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Hello Icarys and osf,

When did "being bratty" come to equal "Hard to handle"?  Hmmmm?

Hard to handle to me means a woman who doesn't just fall down saying "Oh yes, grand poopah brilliant one... You are soooooooo smart and soooooooo wise, and I am nothing without you.  Lead me."   Bullshit.

I'm hard work.  Why am I work?  Because I want to anticipate the needs of the man I am with.  I want to please him.  I am work because I am not an automaton who has no thoughts of my own but I do want to find a way to mesh what I know to be true and his own views.  (and yes, there really are things that I know to be true).  I'm hard to handle because I want to be able to understand the way he thinks.  Therefore, I need to know him, experience him in a vast number of situations, discussions, arguments even, and to trust him.  That makes me hard to handle.  This does not mean I am mean spirited, defiant or bratty.  It means I am a woman with a strong personality and a certain level of intellect.  Some men can't meet up with that kind of pressure because I run circles around them.  I don't want to be with a man that is three steps behind me, and I've already thought up all the possible scenarios in a situation and he hasn't even realized there is a situation.  That makes me hard to handle.

And by the way, I'm also the one you want to totally have your back because I have ... you know.... a backbone of my own! 

There is a difference between CHOOSING to NOT handle a spirited woman and NOT BEING CAPABLE of handling her. 

People who would classify me as too hard to handle are not capable of handling me.  That is about intelligence.  There are other people who look at me and decide I'm not their particular FLAVOR of hard to handle.  Those people choose not to handle me.  That is compatibility.

And gentlemen, you know as well as I do that your bitchy, elbow rubbing, locker room attempts at insulting me are nothing short of immature.  You have shown quite a lot about the type of men you are.  Icarys, I'm very disappointed to see this in you.

Best,
sunshine

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ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

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 I mean as a fantasy, sure, but reality?  No way.

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lots state that's the way they want to be treated, lots

Thus my fantasy comment.  I personally prefer reality.  Quirky, eh?

In part, this is likely true.

I'd never, in a month of Sundays say that,*I want to be treated like a doormat* .....but there again, I'd never say * I will NOT be treated like a doormat* either. Neither of them would be reasonable or true comments from me.

I've never looked at what people *say* on a profile as having anything to do with me.  As far as I'm concerned, I consider it as the conclusion they've reached, to date.

Whenever I've been involved with someone, (few that it might be).....nothing we previously *thought* went unchallenged.

I'm not annoyingly hard to own, but I would still likely appear to be for anyone that wanted a naturally submissive girl......I'm not a lot of people's cup of tea as I'm not submissive by nature.

There's a big difference between having your AUTHORITY challenged, and being challenged by the fact that you own someone that simply doesn't have a *submissive* nature.

I asked to be owned.......I can't wiggle, waggle and play games with it, whether I'm submissive by nature or not. I wasn't forced into it, he doesn't *need* me and I'm not completing some aspect of him.

If I don't want his authority then it would have been rather stupid of me to have asked for it. Both of us are able to recognise that being owned isn't necessarily easy for me.....and yet , be able to face the pragmatic fact that I/ME/agirl........asked for it.

agirl

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I think that SOME equate it to being superiour. When to me it just screams insecurity.

"I am no doormat!" "I have a mind and know how to use it!" "I won't submit to just anyone!" way of thinking.

To me, it's all just chatter that I ignore. I've no time for either a brat or a peacock strutting their 'superiour' feathers.

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ORIGINAL: MsDDom

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the sub/slave has sought me out and I can in turn reject them for such behavior



There are some of us who are persued by Doms, just a little FYI. And what "such behavior" are you referring to? You are quoting after osf admits he loves sophie who has just admitted that she would defend herself for being abused. Can you clarify please?

...my comment is based on the OPs original question---that is what I replied to. I did not read any other replies...

Thank you for clarifying, D.

Best,
sunshine

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I think that SOME equate it to being superiour. When to me it just screams insecurity.

"I am no doormat!" "I have a mind and know how to use it!" "I won't submit to just anyone!" way of thinking.

To me, it's all just chatter that I ignore. I've no time for either a brat or a peacock strutting their 'superiour' feathers.

I don't consider myself to be superior, and I'm not a brat, but I seriously can't submit to just anyone. Most people just don't make me react in a submissive way, even if I'm obedient, even if I bottom to them. I am submissive with my Master, and I was toward my previous Dominant, and reacted submissively to two previous playpartners, but I've been in relationships with a couple of tops, and bottomed to several other people, without a trace of submission, in the past. I can't know whether or not I'm capable of submitting to an individual person until I interact with him and get to know him. I don't think that makes me insecure, just honest about how I respond to people on a D/s basis.

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I would like to take a moment and point out that I am not a doormat.


Thank You.


Jeffwey

No you aren't, apparently (going by your pic) you are an anteater. I don't see that as an improvement

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But an anteater could easily be made *into* a doormat.......


(i'm so sorry Jeffff, i couldn't resist.....)

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Hello Icarys and osf,

When did "being bratty" come to equal "Hard to handle"?  Hmmmm?

Hard to handle to me means a woman who doesn't just fall down saying "Oh yes, grand poopah brilliant one... You are soooooooo smart and soooooooo wise, and I am nothing without you.  Lead me."   Bullshit.

I'm hard work.  Why am I work?  Because I want to anticipate the needs of the man I am with.  I want to please him.  I am work because I am not an automaton who has no thoughts of my own but I do want to find a way to mesh what I know to be true and his own views.  (and yes, there really are things that I know to be true).  I'm hard to handle because I want to be able to understand the way he thinks.  Therefore, I need to know him, experience him in a vast number of situations, discussions, arguments even, and to trust him.  That makes me hard to handle.  This does not mean I am mean spirited, defiant or bratty.  It means I am a woman with a strong personality and a certain level of intellect.  Some men can't meet up with that kind of pressure because I run circles around them.  I don't want to be with a man that is three steps behind me, and I've already thought up all the possible scenarios in a situation and he hasn't even realized there is a situation.  That makes me hard to handle.

And by the way, I'm also the one you want to totally have your back because I have ... you know.... a backbone of my own! 

There is a difference between CHOOSING to NOT handle a spirited woman and NOT BEING CAPABLE of handling her. 

People who would classify me as too hard to handle are not capable of handling me.  That is about intelligence.  There are other people who look at me and decide I'm not their particular FLAVOR of hard to handle.  Those people choose not to handle me.  That is compatibility.

And gentlemen, you know as well as I do that your bitchy, elbow rubbing, locker room attempts at insulting me are nothing short of immature.  You have shown quite a lot about the type of men you are.  Icarys, I'm very disappointed to see this in you.

Best,
sunshine

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No all that up above is bullshit. You got caught with your pants down and need to spin it now to make it look positive for you. Justify it..Go ahead..It just took you a bit to do it.

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I'm good with that and if I get judged harshly because of it..I'm okay with that as well. I'll still be here and none of you other than the mods will be able to run me off like you tried to do with Pyshconaut. I've got a much thicker skin than that. Let the skewering begin

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I've noticed your good at that (Twisting the truth)and your fans will of course applaud the loudest..(Why? Birds of a feather.

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I had come back to apologize at the way I assessed you earlier because I think I could have done that in a nicer way. I did mean what I said but the way in which I said it wasn't mature as far as I'm concerned.

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Okay let me get this straight...You say you are hard to handle in your own words and then go on to put down someone else who points that out to you when you already agree to it..Those people are then seen as dumber than you? Wouldn't that include you as well since you were the one to pint it out on the thread? Did nobody else see any of that while they were patting her on the back lol

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Not only do I see a whole lot of absurdities with that whole statement..The essence of it is a load as well. Just when I thought it was safe to go outside.

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Change your name to partlycloudymiss or sunnywithachanceofrain maybe?