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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:21:32 AM

agirl

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I think that the whole "doormat" thing is just a ruse. Nobody (or at least nobody HEALTHY) would be into that for real. I mean as a fantasy, sure, but reality? No way.

doormat = anybody more submissive than i am

lots state that's the way they want to be treated, lots

Mmm, yes........ but they generally have an image of how they see *being a doormat* is going to work out. I wouldn't pay a great deal of attention to it.

If I'm treated like a doormat, it's not a negative thing. It's as complicated as the people concerned. YOU treating me the way my owner does, with no history, no genuine care, no authority in any real sense, would have me wandering off..........My OWNER however, can do so and there is not an iota of resentment or dent in my sense of self-worth.

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:21:39 AM

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Reread the first few words...My personal opinion....

sorry, missed that

and my statements are my opinion based on my experience

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:21:42 AM

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My personal opinion is that the profiles that say they want the extreme type of fantasies as a basis for their relationship are either...
men pretending to be women or women who haven't had the ability to maintain long term relationships.
Most successful long term bdsm relationships are grounded in reality.

After all, there are bills to be paid and shit to get done. Life has a way of intruding on fantasies.

Jeff

Yup.
Massages to be given. Happy endings to be found...
Dinners to be cooked dressed to the nines in heels and the perfect little black dress.
Etc. etc. etc...

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:22:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: osf

now you'r speaking for all women?

i thought only i did that

perhaps you failed to see where she says it's her personal opinion? Aileen didn't state it as fact she gave her opinion

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:23:01 AM

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If I'm treated like a doormat, it's not a negative thing. It's as complicated as the people concerned. YOU treating me the way my owner does, with no history, no genuine care, no authority in any real sense, would have me wandering off..........My OWNER however, can do so and there is not an iota of resentment or dent in my sense of self-worth.

yes

better said than i said it

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:25:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
Yup.
Massages to be given. Happy endings to be found...
Dinners to be cooked dressed to the nines in heels and the perfect little black dress.
Etc. etc. etc...

I hate you.

Jeff

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:29:01 AM

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men pretending to be women or women who haven't had the ability to maintain long term relationships.
Most successful long term bdsm relationships are grounded in reality.

And we have a winner!

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what you fail to understand is that those want to live that fantasy

Thus my word "HEALTHY"

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the sub/slave has sought me out and I can in turn reject them for such behavior

There are some of us who are persued by Doms, just a little FYI. And what "such behavior" are you referring to? You are quoting after osf admits he loves sophie who has just admitted that she would defend herself for being abused. Can you clarify please?

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After all, there are bills to be paid and shit to get done. Life has a way of intruding on fantasies.

Mark says "somebody has to take out the trash." I say "gotta change the baby's diaper"... You say "bills to be paid and shit to get done." It's all the same, eh?

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:31:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

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men pretending to be women or women who haven't had the ability to maintain long term relationships.
Most successful long term bdsm relationships are grounded in reality.

And we have a winner!

quote:

what you fail to understand is that those want to live that fantasy

Thus my word "HEALTHY"

quote:

the sub/slave has sought me out and I can in turn reject them for such behavior

There are some of us who are persued by Doms, just a little FYI. And what "such behavior" are you referring to? You are quoting after osf admits he loves sophie who has just admitted that she would defend herself for being abused. Can you clarify please?
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After all, there are bills to be paid and shit to get done. Life has a way of intruding on fantasies.

Mark says "somebody has to take out the trash." I say "gotta change the baby's diaper"... You say "bills to be paid and shit to get done." It's all the same, eh?

and most out there would argue we all need mental councilling lol

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:33:54 AM

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As a therapist, I will tell you that the statement you just made is "most" being incorrect.

Anyway, this is what "hard to handle" looks like.

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:35:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

As a therapist, I will tell you that the statement you just made is "most" being incorrect.

Anyway, this is what "hard to handle" looks like.

most as being the population at large, not the "community"

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:36:00 AM

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I understood that.

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:37:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

I understood that.

well my mother would have certainly done a lot of praying had she known but she did think there was something not quite right about me

hell, i know there's something not quite right about me

< Message edited by osf -- 1/5/2010 7:38:40 AM >

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:38:59 AM

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I'm not sure osf that your mother is really the best gauge of what the world thinks.

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:41:55 AM

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I'm not sure osf that your mother is really the best gauge of what the world thinks.

didn't i say i was not quite right, and who's a better judge of that, now what's right in wanting to hit women?

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:44:54 AM

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REPOSTING THE OP:

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why do some women feel that being a brat/feisty/hand full makes them more desirable

sounds more like a TPS than TPE to me

as for me if you tell me you're submissive, that's more or less how i want you to show up

how many women want a bratty guy? don't they believe in equality?

this doesn't mean i'm weak or lazy, it means i have better things to do

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:47:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

REPOSTING THE OP:

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why do some women feel that being a brat/feisty/hand full makes them more desirable

sounds more like a TPS than TPE to me

as for me if you tell me you're submissive, that's more or less how i want you to show up

how many women want a bratty guy? don't they believe in equality?

this doesn't mean i'm weak or lazy, it means i have better things to do

yes?

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:47:15 AM

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why do some women feel that being a brat/feisty/hand full makes them more desirable

I don't. I think it's an undesirable trait in a submissive. jMho

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:50:21 AM

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Luckily there are people who know that being a brat is not the same as being feisty and a handful

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:50:43 AM

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Really feelin' your avitar, RealSub58.

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RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle...... - 1/5/2010 7:51:56 AM

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Luckily there are people who know that being a brat is not the same as being feisty and a handful

i just defined it differently and as the op for the sake of discussion who's definition should prevail?

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