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ORIGINAL: Trainerforlife

The simple fact is you do not TELL, MY, slave anything. I would expect more respect than that. You may ASK if you are allowed to use my slave but even then I will be the one to determine how she is allowed to be used. In your specific case NO she will not, I spend a great deal of time developing trust and would not have you waste or abuse it.

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ORIGINAL: antinomy

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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Sigh... If I were in a restaurant with my two young children, I would not watch. I (and I suspect other parents too) would detain you - using as much force as the law would reasonably allow me to get away with and call the police. You and your sub would be arrested, prosecuted and your names put on the child protection register.

So lets hope your obedient sub never ever wants a job in teaching, childcare, medicine or countless other jobs for which registration on the CPR rules you out.

And who is saying this would be anywhere near children? Assumptions much?

Personally, I read the OP as if it were a regular restaurant. I mean, I have dined out many times in my 43 years, the majority were not kink friendly places (okay, NONE of them were). And unless they were bars, or attended late at night, there more often than not were children present. Lacking details, and being from the same country and state as the OP, my mind filled in the blanks with what would be the most oft found scenario. And, since the OP seems to go for the shock factor in his posts, I felt comfortable with that assumption. However, I agree that the circumstances of the dining experience COULD alter one's answer to the question. However, I'm wondering if this was not meant as a lesson in absolutes? The moral of the question being would a Dominant expect obedience regardless of the command, the circumstances, or the location it was given?

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ORIGINAL: Trainerforlife

The simple fact is you do not TELL, MY, slave anything. I would expect more respect than that. You may ASK if you are allowed to use my slave but even then I will be the one to determine how she is allowed to be used. In your specific case NO she will not, I spend a great deal of time developing trust and would not have you waste or abuse it.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

And I expect obedience, tempered with intelligence

Jeff

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
Obviously, the flat parallel of a submissive to a doormat is silly...

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ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz

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ORIGINAL: antinomy

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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Sigh... If I were in a restaurant with my two young children, I would not watch. I (and I suspect other parents too) would detain you - using as much force as the law would reasonably allow me to get away with and call the police. You and your sub would be arrested, prosecuted and your names put on the child protection register.

So lets hope your obedient sub never ever wants a job in teaching, childcare, medicine or countless other jobs for which registration on the CPR rules you out.

And who is saying this would be anywhere near children? Assumptions much?

Personally, I read the OP as if it were a regular restaurant. I mean, I have dined out many times in my 43 years, the majority were not kink friendly places (okay, NONE of them were). And unless they were bars, or attended late at night, there more often than not were children present. Lacking details, and being from the same country and state as the OP, my mind filled in the blanks with what would be the most oft found scenario. And, since the OP seems to go for the shock factor in his posts, I felt comfortable with that assumption. However, I agree that the circumstances of the dining experience COULD alter one's answer to the question. However, I'm wondering if this was not meant as a lesson in absolutes? The moral of the question being would a Dominant expect obedience regardless of the command, the circumstances, or the location it was given?

I'm replying mostly to the bolded portion.

Yes, I expect obedience no matter the location, or circumstances. However, I do not intend to put a submissive person in a position that would cause them harm or an arrest record. If such a command could cause harm or an arrest record, I would expect my sub to ask me if I were serious, or point out something I may have overlooked (which if I did overlook something I will likely consider this information and may change my order), and then proceed to follow the command if I ordered it anyway.
When I make commands, I have taken the time and forethought as to the possible outcomes and determined that the risk is low enough for the command to be executed with their well-being in mind.  The submissive's 'job' in that situation is to trust that I have done my 'job' in that situation and do as told.

Regardless of the OP, who I happen to think is a raving loon, some of us do expect obedience. 

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ORIGINAL: antinomy

This is probably going to get me tagged as pretty unsubly, but, I have to ask- you, and others that responded similarly...why? Why would you still expect obedience if you just said that you would not intend to put a submissive person in a position that would cause them harm or an arrest record? I get that the vast majority of people would NOT put their sub/slave into this situation. But, if they did, and they still expect obedience- it sort of baffles me. How could a submissive (or slave) trust the judgement of someone that would risk this? How do you even know your Dom has not lost their marbles? And, if the submissive is a parent, or holds a job that could be jeopardized? I'm really having a hard time wrapping my mind around this. I know the thread should have died a while back, but...this is where I have the problem. If someone expects absolute obedience, but acts irresponsibly, how can a sub or slave TRULY be expected to obey?

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ORIGINAL: antinomy

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ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz

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ORIGINAL: antinomy

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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Sigh... If I were in a restaurant with my two young children, I would not watch. I (and I suspect other parents too) would detain you - using as much force as the law would reasonably allow me to get away with and call the police. You and your sub would be arrested, prosecuted and your names put on the child protection register.

So lets hope your obedient sub never ever wants a job in teaching, childcare, medicine or countless other jobs for which registration on the CPR rules you out.

And who is saying this would be anywhere near children? Assumptions much?

Personally, I read the OP as if it were a regular restaurant. I mean, I have dined out many times in my 43 years, the majority were not kink friendly places (okay, NONE of them were). And unless they were bars, or attended late at night, there more often than not were children present. Lacking details, and being from the same country and state as the OP, my mind filled in the blanks with what would be the most oft found scenario. And, since the OP seems to go for the shock factor in his posts, I felt comfortable with that assumption. However, I agree that the circumstances of the dining experience COULD alter one's answer to the question. However, I'm wondering if this was not meant as a lesson in absolutes? The moral of the question being would a Dominant expect obedience regardless of the command, the circumstances, or the location it was given?

I'm replying mostly to the bolded portion.

Yes, I expect obedience no matter the location, or circumstances. However, I do not intend to put a submissive person in a position that would cause them harm or an arrest record. If such a command could cause harm or an arrest record, I would expect my sub to ask me if I were serious, or point out something I may have overlooked (which if I did overlook something I will likely consider this information and may change my order), and then proceed to follow the command if I ordered it anyway.
When I make commands, I have taken the time and forethought as to the possible outcomes and determined that the risk is low enough for the command to be executed with their well-being in mind.  The submissive's 'job' in that situation is to trust that I have done my 'job' in that situation and do as told.

Regardless of the OP, who I happen to think is a raving loon, some of us do expect obedience. 

This is probably going to get me tagged as pretty unsubly, but, I have to ask- you, and others that responded similarly...why? Why would you still expect obedience if you just said that you would not intend to put a submissive person in a position that would cause them harm or an arrest record? I get that the vast majority of people would NOT put their sub/slave into this situation. But, if they did, and they still expect obedience- it sort of baffles me. How could a submissive (or slave) trust the judgement of someone that would risk this? How do you even know your Dom has not lost their marbles? And, if the submissive is a parent, or holds a job that could be jeopardized? I'm really having a hard time wrapping my mind around this. I know the thread should have died a while back, but...this is where I have the problem. If someone expects absolute obedience, but acts irresponsibly, how can a sub or slave TRULY be expected to obey?

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

It is kinda funny,

The dominant who would never do such a thing, does order the slave who would do it, except the master would never ask such a thing of him/her and so wouldn't ever have to do what she/he is willing to do should the Master make the command he/she would never make.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

It is kinda funny,

The dominant who would never do such a thing, does order the slave who would do it, except the master would never ask such a thing of him/her and so wouldn't ever have to do what she/he is willing to do should the Master make the command he/she would never make.

Here is how I see it. I would expect any woman , sub, slave, whatever, who is "good" enough for Me, to flat out refuse such a command if I were to make it.

I hope this clears everything up...:)

Jeff