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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 8:12:20 AM   
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This here old dog has one telecommunication device - a land line.  I like the clarity of copper-to-copper.  (Oh, and there was this scene with a copper, er... cop, er... officer of the law.  LOL!)

My network is face-to-face, local people.  Mostly from the Leather bar (now defunct and replaced by a sorry imitation - NOT their fault, but sorry none-the-less) and a LeatherMen's "munch" held in a private home.  (Fabulous mothly pot-luck!  Nobody cooks like gays for other gays. LOL)

As above, I make my own decisions about whom I add to that network.  FIRST filter: Did he show up?

ETA:  I also have a network of CMers and those filters are 1) I lurked for 2 years before posting 2) Other-side CMails.  So, use your head, read, write, read, write and most importantly - listen to your gut AND your heart AND your brain.

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 12:54:45 PM   
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falls over laughing.....hypotethically speaking (of course) that person would actually be what I expect to meet on the internet. I don't think dishonesty is uncommon. I do think the level of intelligence and balance that is displayed on these forums is not representative of the population in general. Because of that, I am very careful and when I run into it I move on.

However, I don't post some longass contradictory grandstanding, intellectually dishonest diatribe full of venom and judgment. I've watched this train wreck go from the original post which was directed ONLY at people that don't want to meet irl (most likely because the OP is full of it and they got wind of it) to people that lie about gender and orientation. That's just crap...there's no intelligent discussion to be had here. Expecting honesty when you don't give it out is just ridiculous.

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 1:56:10 PM   
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Well, I have an IC network of a big fat zero, and I *am* in the UK.

However, arguably, that zero is satisfactorily explained by the fact that I'm shifty, disreputable, have bad breath and am, overall, deeply unpleasant to know.

Please don't argue with any of that last, VC - I don't tolerate females arguing with me.

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 2:00:40 PM   
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Lady Angelika states 'The terms [timewaster and fake] are in principle self-explanatory but more importantly, they are highly subjective. That is what I'm trying to convey to you....

Ok, thanks for your continued responses. I think 'highly subjective' is pushing the case a tad too far. Most things are open to interpretation, I agree. But, to repeat myself again, someone who cruelly sets out to deceive people by inventing profiles on here - a man pretending to be a woman, people with numerous such profiles... how can they be classified as anything but fake? How, in other words, is that subjective? They are obvjectively faking a persona for their own ends; not to maybe by-the-by inculate themselves into the scene, in safe, easy chunks. They are using the site to use people in the worst possible way, in my view.

You go on to say 'Someone you might consider a timewaster might be an investment for someone else. Those you might dismiss as inauthentic might be perfect for someone else'. How could those types I describe be rehabilitated in the way you describe? I'm not speaking about differences in what one Dom/me or another might be seeking. Again, I'm talking of those who do not intend to meet or to enter into the scene. Said faker would have to stop being a faker in order to be useful in the manner you describe. In that case, s/he is no longer a faker, and I would not be criticising that person - regretable past exploits notwithstanding. 


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Ok, time for another hypothetical question , since everything is so self explanatory.....what would you say IF there was someone posting about fakers and timewasters and had some other profiles, that possibly didnt have the same dominant leanings as the one that was all upset about timewasters and fakes? Would they be fake?Just a stray random thought that doesnt have anything, of course, to do with the posters on this thread


If I get you right, yoiu are aiming this at me...? Do you mean Kitton's profile? (If she still has one on here, I don't know. Last she said she'd got tired of cyber. But I don't know whether she deleted, hibernated or left her profile.).She's my partner - slave, submissive for sure. You can see from my pics I'm part of a couple. Or do you mean Amber? She's a friend who comes here for play, but who is looking independently as well. I've made no secret that I am part of a couple and polyamorous. I'm confused. You have me very wrong - and it's dispiriting to see what I set out to do here constructively is rubbished with such accusations. These are the only factors I'm aware of that ciuld lead you to querry my honesty, if that is what you are doing.


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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 2:07:18 PM   
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If you have these real life relationships, your OP makes even less sense to me. You may indeed be weal and twue.

You also seem rather empty and shallow.


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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 2:18:41 PM   
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If you have these real life relationships, your OP makes even less sense to me. You may indeed be weal and twue.

You also seem rather empty and shallow.


I wish you well


I doubt you do wish me well! You seem not to. Cheap shots ... when you do not know me. Isn't that empty and shallow, in fact? I'm neither, actually. But no matter. I expected drive-by shootings!

Your central point - that I have scene relationships and that in so doing my original post doesn't make sense - makes no sense.

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 2:25:01 PM   
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If you haven't gotten it in 9 pages, 9 more won't do it either.

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 2:32:48 PM   
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I've watched this train wreck go from the original post which was directed ONLY at people that don't want to meet irl (most likely because the OP is full of it and they got wind of it) to people that lie about gender and orientation. That's just crap...there's no intelligent discussion to be had here.

Well, babe... some of us are always up for stimulating intellectual intercourse.

I was away on business for a few days.  Part of my plan, though, was to meet someone new from CM in the town I was visiting.  We agreed to, I placed a phone call when I was there, and got blown off.  Except... the reason I was blown off trumped meeting a contact off the internet.  So that's the thing about "wasting time."  You may never know why the other person decided not to meet with you after all, so there is no benefit to thinking it for some nefarious reason, like "You are a thief!  You steal time!"  Real life is complicated, and throws curve balls all the time.

I find my life is much more fun if I don't go looking for reasons to feel all butt-hurt by the actions of others.


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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 2:58:39 PM   
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If you haven't gotten it in 9 pages, 9 more won't do it either.


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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 3:53:29 PM   
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Please don't argue with any of that last, VC - I don't tolerate females arguing with me.


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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 3:59:03 PM   
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Boy am I with you on this one! My profile says we will meet soon. I think some of the guys are just pervs who want to get their rocks off while they read or talk to you ! So if they hope to serve me they must meet me sooner than they think , after we have a relationship we can chat all day if II have the time!

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 4:45:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressJaynie

quote:

ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha

Ok, time for another hypothetical question , since everything is so self explanatory.....what would you say IF there was someone posting about fakers and timewasters and had some other profiles, that possibly didnt have the same dominant leanings as the one that was all upset about timewasters and fakes? Would they be fake?Just a stray random thought that doesnt have anything, of course, to do with the posters on this thread


If I get you right, yoiu are aiming this at me...? Do you mean Kitton's profile? (If she still has one on here, I don't know. Last she said she'd got tired of cyber. But I don't know whether she deleted, hibernated or left her profile.).She's my partner - slave, submissive for sure. You can see from my pics I'm part of a couple. Or do you mean Amber? She's a friend who comes here for play, but who is looking independently as well. I've made no secret that I am part of a couple and polyamorous. I'm confused. You have me very wrong - and it's dispiriting to see what I set out to do here constructively is rubbished with such accusations. These are the only factors I'm aware of that ciuld lead you to querry my honesty, if that is what you are doing.


Jaynie, I'd say this is a perfectly good example where—and I'm going to give you the full benefit of the doubt here that what you posted is true as I read your profile and this is what you write there too—of what happens when people have check systems to try to weed out fakes. For the record, I don't think you are a fake at all, but based on the data of so many accounts coming from one IP, a system might reject you. Now do you see why I'm so against it?

The best judge of fakes and timewasters is yourself.

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 4:58:28 PM   
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I don't tolerate females arguing with me.


Yes you do.

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/17/2010 6:25:02 PM   
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You're probably right.

And you won't catch me out that way. ;-)

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/18/2010 2:54:02 AM   
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I think I already did, peon *grins*

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/18/2010 6:06:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Well, I have an IC network of a big fat zero, and I *am* in the UK.

However, arguably, that zero is satisfactorily explained by the fact that I'm shifty, disreputable, have bad breath and am, overall, deeply unpleasant to know.

Please don't argue with any of that last, VC - I don't tolerate females arguing with me.


Why would VC argue with you? Everything you wrote was true.

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RE: Thoughts about fakes & timewasters - 5/18/2010 8:18:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressJaynie

quote:

ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha

Ok, time for another hypothetical question , since everything is so self explanatory.....what would you say IF there was someone posting about fakers and timewasters and had some other profiles, that possibly didnt have the same dominant leanings as the one that was all upset about timewasters and fakes? Would they be fake?Just a stray random thought that doesnt have anything, of course, to do with the posters on this thread


If I get you right, yoiu are aiming this at me...? Do you mean Kitton's profile? (If she still has one on here, I don't know. Last she said she'd got tired of cyber. But I don't know whether she deleted, hibernated or left her profile.).She's my partner - slave, submissive for sure. You can see from my pics I'm part of a couple. Or do you mean Amber? She's a friend who comes here for play, but who is looking independently as well. I've made no secret that I am part of a couple and polyamorous. I'm confused. You have me very wrong - and it's dispiriting to see what I set out to do here constructively is rubbished with such accusations. These are the only factors I'm aware of that ciuld lead you to querry my honesty, if that is what you are doing.


Jaynie, I'd say this is a perfectly good example where—and I'm going to give you the full benefit of the doubt here that what you posted is true as I read your profile and this is what you write there too—of what happens when people have check systems to try to weed out fakes. For the record, I don't think you are a fake at all, but based on the data of so many accounts coming from one IP, a system might reject you. Now do you see why I'm so against it?

The best judge of fakes and timewasters is yourself.

- LA



Angelika, Thanks - as I say, though, I agree with you. Centralisation is impossible and too open to abuse and bad judgements. I don't think it is unusual given we are polyamorous and co-habiting that we share broadband. So any BDSM site which excuded on that basis would be unfit for purpose.

I've nothing to hide; and my profile does clearly portray an active, polyamorous life. It must be clear from what I am saying in these comments that the scene matters to me.

Best wishes,

Jaynie

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