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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:42:18 PM

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...and NEVER do all the other things that you like?

Would you still be with him?

SN.

I'd made a resolution not to respond to you again. but this is killing me.

From what I can tell (not being a slave), part of being a slave is choosing a Master that you trust to care for and better you.

Someone who would deliberately make their slave miserable all the time and restrict *all* the things s/he does in life without replacing that with something better won't end up being a Master to any person with critical faculties-for a woman/man to give themselves to someone in such a strong way they have to think pretty highly of them.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:42:24 PM

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What if he made you hold your breath and stomp your feet while thumping your fists on the floor?

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:43:12 PM

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How about if he decided that you would NEVER eat your favorite food, but only the food you find disgusting?
That you will NEVER listen to your favorite music, NEVER watch TV, and NEVER do all the other things that you like?

Would you still be with him?

Well that would be kind of difficult since being with him is one of the things that I like....

Absolutes are unrealistic.

Some of the things I have had to do that many would find a deal breaker:

Live in a poly and open relationship (I was looking for monogamy)
Let him handle all of my finances (this was actually a challenge for me and now I don't think twice about it)
Move to another country
Move away from all of my biological family
Help raise four kids (I never wanted the responsibiltiy that comes with children)
Work at a job that causes high anxiety and stress for me(there are times that I cry because I have to go to work)
Time alone is almost impossible (I am an extreme introvert and alone time was a need that I have learned to fulfill in other ways)
I am not allowed to knit in public (how insensitive of him!!!)
I do not have 'my private space'. In fact, I do not have a 'my' anything. When I show a sense of ownership towards things he will squash it.
Give a sadist free reign over my body when I do not consider myself to be a masochist.
I have gotten rid of social programming that he found unacceptable for our relationship.

I have done all of this and more and over five years together and I have not been happier.

Knight's Kyra

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:44:06 PM

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Oh, and I am going to be so stoked if you guys push this thread past ten pages on its first day. This is like old times.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:46:33 PM

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What if he made you hold your breath and stomp your feet while thumping your fists on the floor?

Define 'made', Michael *eg*. I am pretty sure that I have ended up doing exactly that in his dungeon a time or two....

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:49:33 PM

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Maybe it's because of the week I've had, but I'm having trouble really understanding the overall point here. Are you saying the use of the term "slave," as it is used in the BDSM context, is bullshit because it doesn't exactly mirror what the term meant historically?

Nope, quite the opposite. I am mocking those who want "historical slavery" in any form as if that is some standard worth attaining. That and I just wanted a long running thread.

Cool, I have scrambled brains tonight and it wasn't clicking for me.

As you know, I'm not a fan of mockery, but long threads are fun.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:49:43 PM

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How about if he decided that you would NEVER eat your favorite food, but only the food you find disgusting?
That you will NEVER listen to your favorite music, NEVER watch TV, and NEVER do all the other things that you like?

Would you still be with him?

Well that would be kind of difficult since being with him is one of the things that I like....

Absolutes are unrealistic.

Some of the things I have had to do that many would find a deal breaker:

Live in a poly and open relationship (I was looking for monogamy)
Let him handle all of my finances (this was actually a challenge for me and now I don't think twice about it)
Move to another country
Move away from all of my biological family
Help raise four kids (I never wanted the responsibiltiy that comes with children)
Work at a job that causes high anxiety and stress for me(there are times that I cry because I have to go to work)
Time alone is almost impossible (I am an extreme introvert and alone time was a need that I have learned to fulfill in other ways)
I am not allowed to knit in public (how insensitive of him!!!)
I do not have 'my private space'. In fact, I do not have a 'my' anything. When I show a sense of ownership towards things he will squash it.
Give a sadist free reign over my body when I do not consider myself to be a masochist.
I have gotten rid of social programming that he found unacceptable for our relationship.

I have done all of this and more and over five years together and I have not been happier.

Knight's Kyra

Let me make it simple for him..

Kyra and Alandra are not with me for what I tell them to do or not to do. She is not with me for what I do or not do. They are with me for WHO i am as I am with them for Who they are. As long as our our preceptions of each other is authentic, I can expect us to be together for a very long time. Alandra has been with me since 1987 and Kyra entered our life in 2004 I am beginning to think we know each other pretty well and our happiness has grown as a result.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:50:39 PM

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I wouldn't mind being ordered to do that.

I haven't had that response/reaction, but I have had some rather primal responses to certain kinds of play (growling, biting, fighting back, trying to get away). When a particularly hard strike hits, and I'm processing it, it takes my breath away. I haven't needed to safeword to get out of a scene, but when it's just too much to handle, I can't speak coherently, and sometimes can't make a sound at all for a few seconds.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:50:45 PM

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Reading his OP, I immediately thought of you.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:51:03 PM

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I have done all of this and more and over five years together and I have not been happier.

When you haven't been happier, now in relationship, or before, I think I haven't understood you fully.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:51:16 PM

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What if he made you hold your breath and stomp your feet while thumping your fists on the floor?

Sounds like a fun version of Twister.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:52:25 PM

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SN, she said that she's happier now than before she entered the relationship with him.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:53:09 PM

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I think I haven't understood you fully.

No shit, Sherlock.

Assume that you don't understand anything M/s related, and very little D/s related-from what I've seen of you this is the case...

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 8:54:59 PM

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I think I haven't understood you fully.

No, you haven't understood me. And I am beginning to think that you have no genuine intention of appreciating my perspective.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 9:01:50 PM

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If all of this really make you happy, then I appreciate all that you do. After all, we all want to be happy.

Of all these things that you listed I think I would be most bothered by 3:

- forcing you to do a job that you hate because of stress and anxiety (which is extremely unhealthy for entire organism) and that makes you cry
- not allowing you any possessions
- not having private space and never being alone (as an introvert myself I know how tiring and stressful this is)

Maybe this makes you happy, but this is also very unhealthy for your mind and body.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 9:05:19 PM

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If all of this really make you happy, then I appreciate all that you do. After all, we all want to be happy.

Of all these things that you listed I think I would be most bothered by 3:

- forcing you to do a job that you hate because of stress and anxiety (which is extremely unhealthy for entire organism) and that makes you cry
- not allowing you any possessions
- not having private space and never being alone (as an introvert myself I know how tiring and stressful this is)

Maybe this makes you happy, but this is also very unhealthy for your mind and body.

You correalate everything to yourself. Just because it would be unhealthy for YOUR mind and body does not mean it is unhealthy for her mind and body.

Why can you not grasp that people have experiences outside of your experiences? There is no Universal Way, honest there isn't. By limiting everyone to only what you've experienced or believe means you will never understand another person.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 9:05:28 PM

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Kyra,

Maybe this will help SN understand (and please don't feel at all obligated to answer if you don't want to or if you feel I'm speaking out of turn.)

Could you tell us about some of the things KoM has replaced the things you've listed that he's taken away? You mentioned leanring to ski-he made you learn to do something you now love. Any other examples you want to share?

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 9:06:50 PM

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No public knitting?? Now THAT is dedication, Kyra!!

Yarn addict Hib

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 9:10:57 PM

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If all of this really make you happy, then I appreciate all that you do. After all, we all want to be happy.

Of all these things that you listed I think I would be most bothered by 3:

- forcing you to do a job that you hate because of stress and anxiety (which is extremely unhealthy for entire organism) and that makes you cry
- not allowing you any possessions
- not having private space and never being alone (as an introvert myself I know how tiring and stressful this is)

Maybe this makes you happy, but this is also very unhealthy for your mind and body.

You correalate everything to yourself. Just because it would be unhealthy for YOUR mind and body does not mean it is unhealthy for her mind and body.

Not true. Excessive stress is UNIVERSALLY UNHEALTHY. Studies and studies have proven this. Read a little articles on medicine.
For an introverted person one of the hardest stresses is being unable to have some time being alone. Also stress on the job, as she described can't be healthy.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 5/28/2010 9:19:40 PM

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Some people need to suffer for the pleasure of their Master. It is a need... it is how they show their attachment to their Master... as property (some would say). For some people, (some of those that refer to themselves as slave)... suffering brings a sense of peace, contentment and serenity most of the time. And that is a very healthy thing. Although it might be a minority of people who have this need, it is no less valid than the housewife who needs to cook her husband an apple pie every Sunday because he loves apple pie and she needs to show him her love and devotion to him by baking/cooking for him.

Subs and new slaves play around with this need all of the time as their 'master' or 'dom' teaches them to 'suffer for him' (Slavery 101). But when a slave truly finds her real Master, the need can grow to be more deeply rooted in the life of the slave than just some temporary suffering through some type of 'play' or 'punishment' activity.
~sgs

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