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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Yes....... and right now... I wish you had such a Master.

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You are mistaking obedience or lack there of as defining concept of what a slave is and its not a defining concept -- though its usually beneficial for a slave to obey but its not what defines her as a slave. When a slave disobeys she doesn't stop being a slave, she simply is a disobedient slave

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Killing oneself for the Master is actually not that hard, especially if you are an atheist, or have some very romantic ideas about sacrifice.
Also, being dead is easier than living a miserable life in which you are deprived of the things that you like the most.
Now I will ask few more questions about real extremes of slavery, so that we see if consensual slavery is really a plausible concept or not.

These are REALLY hard things to do:

- stop using the Internet (already mentioned)
- not being allowed to eat your favorite food or drink (think of chocolate, strawberries, french fries, milk shake, beer, wine, steak, cherries, watermelon, popcorn,
orange juice, whatever is your favorite food or drink)
- not being allowed to listen to your favorite type of music or your favorite band or composer
- no more television
- no more movies (or only those that Master orders you to watch)
- reading only the books that Master approves of
- pursuing only the hobbies that Master approves of (erase your favorite hobbies from your memory, they are gone)
etc.

If your Master treated you this way, would you still be with him, or would you run for the hills ?

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Killing oneself for the Master is actually not that hard, especially if you are an atheist, or have some very romantic ideas about sacrifice.
Also, being dead is easier than living a miserable life in which you are deprived of the things that you like the most.
Now I will ask few more questions about real extremes of slavery, so that we see if consensual slavery is really a plausible concept or not.

These are REALLY hard things to do:

- stop using the Internet (already mentioned)
- not being allowed to eat your favorite food or drink (think of chocolate, strawberries, french fries, milk shake, beer, wine, steak, cherries, watermelon, popcorn,
orange juice, whatever is your favorite food or drink)
- not being allowed to listen to your favorite type of music or your favorite band or composer
- no more television
- no more movies (or only those that Master orders you to watch)
- reading only the books that Master approves of
- pursuing only the hobbies that Master approves of (erase your favorite hobbies from your memory, they are gone)
etc.

If your Master treated you this way, would you still be with him, or would you run for the hills ?

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ORIGINAL: lally2

this is not a dig in any direction whatsover, just im curious.  how is a dominant qualified to comment on what a submissive or slave feels when owned or enslaved.  since a dominant is dominant im assuming they have no actual submissive tendencies sufficient to appreciate the emotional and psychological bond a slave or sub feels - and i dont give a toss about titles, they simply serve the purpose of shorthand descriptives.

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These are really hard things to do if you're maybe... twelve. There are adult humans who live EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES this way, and they are not even slaves!

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Would you still be with your Master if he not just controlled you, but deliberately deprived you of the things that you love the most?
Not just controlling what you will eat, but deliberately depriving you of the foods that you love the most, for the very reason that you love this food. And not just temporarily as a form of punishment, but continually. On an ongoing basis.

The same with all other things, music, movies, internet, etc... deliberately restricting the things that you love, just because you love them...

Would you still be with him?

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

In the end with regard to slavery -- nothing on your list remotely is a concept that defines or solidifies a person being a slave or a Master.

But you seem to be caught it in the superficial concepts.  It utterly amazes me that you refuse to remotely see what creates it and why the superficial concept has no "must dos" in order to exist as a slave or in slavery.

Let me say this much -- if a guy who has mastered me made those house rules for me to follow -- i have no clue if i would stay or go because it would depend on the relationship AS A WHOLE.   For example, if the guy hadn't mastered me and suddenly started making all these RULES for me to follow because that is what he considered being a Master. it wouldn't matter what rules he made -- he isn't fulfilling my needs and i would leave because i could.  However, if he had mastered me and he determined that the environment i was kept within and atmosphere meant those things would be eliminated from my life and i was content in his mastery -- then that's what it would be.

Again, take away the superficial ideas you keep focusing on in the need to somehow what exactly prove slavery isn't real???, and start understanding the concept and you will find yourself understanding a little bit more of something you are ignorant about.

angel

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Are there no authority figures in your life AT ALL? No cultural mores that dictate what you will or will not do? Look into the lives of women in Saudi Arabia, or Afghanistan.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Killing oneself for the Master is actually not that hard, especially if you are an atheist, or have some very romantic ideas about sacrifice.
Also, being dead is easier than living a miserable life in which you are deprived of the things that you like the most.
Now I will ask few more questions about real extremes of slavery, so that we see if consensual slavery is really a plausible concept or not.

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I like that stick in your avatar, Michael! One of your own pieces?