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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:29:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Butch, don't take this as insulting because it is an honest question.

You talk about your feelings, but don't you think that is the reason you believe?  Because you need to?


No offense taken rulemylife...I understand YOUR need to know

Actually I don't even like talking about feelings...despite my kink displayed to the left of this post displaying feelings is too feminine for me...Ironic don't you think...Not meant as a disparaging remark towards women but just on the whole I think a man thing.

But to get to your question I do believe it is a need in me…I’ve said that before. But I don’t think it is a weakness or anything unusual in mankind. Perhaps it is just a need to understand the unknowable… to put meaning to the meaningless. A desire to be more than a random configuration of matter in an emotionless infinite universe doomed to oblivion.

Could be as I’ve just described above but my deeply held feelings say my life and life in general is more than that. Self awareness alone seems too complicated for a random based universe of inanimate objects even over an infinity of time.

Rather than an undisciplined mind believing in fairytales I feel my beliefs are based in a thinking, calculating, discriminating mind trying to find the source of me.

Butch

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:34:05 AM   
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Rather than an undisciplined mine believing in fairytales I believe my beliefs are based in a thinking, calculating, discriminating mind trying to find the source of me.

I hope this doesn't sound snarky, Butch, but everybody thinks that. The Pope, Ayatollah Loseatscrabble, The Daily Llama, the twat Paisely, Gerry "Not A Fenian" Adams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Fred fookin' Phelps, everybody.
Nobody ever thinks that they're being irrational. That's why they keep on doing it.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:34:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't live by his words but I can relate. I remember the first time I did a night watch on that big old ocean of ours. I should of felt afraid or at least nervous but instead I felt a real affinity with nature. The force of nature was incredible, it was so incredible that it felt spiritual (whatever spiritual is). People could argue that this was just an emotional reaction to such an experience and perhaps it was, but what ever it was, it was life changing. I didn't turn to god or feel a need to grasp a religion but it gave me a much better understanding of why people are religious.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:37:01 AM   
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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:39:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Butch, don't take this as insulting because it is an honest question.

You talk about your feelings, but don't you think that is the reason you believe?  Because you need to?


No offense taken rulemylife...I understand YOUR need to know

Actually I don't even like talking about feelings...despite my kink displayed to the left of this post displaying feelings is too feminine for me...Ironic don't you think...Not meant as a disparaging remark towards women but just on the whole I think a man thing.

But to get to your question I do believe it is a need in me…I’ve said that before. But I don’t think it is a weakness or anything unusual in mankind. Perhaps it is just a need to understand the unknowable… to put meaning to the meaningless. A desire to be more than a random configuration of matter in an emotionless infinite universe doomed to oblivion.

Could be as I’ve just described above but my deeply held feelings say my life and life in general is more than that. Self awareness alone seems too complicated for a random based universe of inanimate objects even over an infinity of time.

Rather than an undisciplined mind believing in fairytales I believe my beliefs are based in a thinking, calculating, discriminating mind trying to find the source of me.

Butch


I was being serious about not taking it the wrong way, but apparently you did.

I guess my point is pretty well summed up in what you said about putting meaning to the meaningless.

What if it all is really just meaningless?

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:42:39 AM   
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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:44:54 AM   
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I get the impression a fair few of the posters in here are pretty big on that one...

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:45:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		My thoughts are that “God” is an entity which represents life; the concept. I suspect it is somewhere along the lines of some type of intelligent energy.

According to my calculations, he is somewhere just outside, looking in. He is connected to man, and lends himself to all living things; therefore can be felt all around and within.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:48:05 AM   
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Rather than an undisciplined mine believing in fairytales I believe my beliefs are based in a thinking, calculating, discriminating mind trying to find the source of me.

I hope this doesn't sound snarky, Butch, but everybody thinks that. The Pope, Ayatollah Loseatscrabble, The Daily Llama, the twat Paisely, Gerry "Not A Fenian" Adams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Fred fookin' Phelps, everybody.
Nobody ever thinks that they're being irrational. That's why they keep on doing it.


I understand...I don't think you snarky...I believe you are making my point...I am not alone in my thinking be it irrational or not. The fact that my thinking is more common in mankind than yours may mean your thinking is irrational not mine.

And please don't think me snarky in pointing out the obvious…

Butch

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:55:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I understood you were serious and not trying to put me down and I tried to answer honestly. My greatest fear is all is meaningless. I think this is a fear all can understand... those with beliefs and those without.

Depressing is it not.

Butch

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:57:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		So true tazzygirl..a nugget of wisdom even if outside science.

< Message edited by kdsub -- 12/6/2010 10:58:29 AM >

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 10:57:40 AM   
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Autonomy?
I get the impression a fair few of the posters in here are pretty big on that one...


So a belief is a loss in autonomy?

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 11:04:55 AM   
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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 11:10:50 AM   
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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 11:13:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yahweh is the name Abraham gave to him. Do not think that man's limited understanding defines God. As for us, Reconstructionist Jews, we pray that one day everyone will worship the one God, that we will all come to the understanding that all the gods of the different religions will be seen to be reflections of the One. Which may be what the op is believing, not the interpretation made by other men but the truth behind it.

The other important tenet is that you don't come to God alone. It requires a community, living in a good manner. Not one by himself. Be that as it may, the closest I've ever felt to the One is out in the desert.

Bruno Bettelheim said it required a leap of faith to believe. A leap of faith which he took while in a concentration camp being persecuted for his belief.


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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 11:16:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		You could be right...all religion could just be a manifestation of our spiritual feelings and only hold part or even none of the truth. We will just have to keep looking for that truth. But we must also realize we personally may be wrong and be willing to keep our minds open to another reality.

So… I'm saying a certain amount of doubt is healthy and essential to find the truth.

Butch

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 11:21:48 AM   
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What actions do you believe are restricted?



Depends on the faith you belong to. I think a few flavours of Buddhists and the Mormons are about the most restricted: they can't even have coffee or chocolate, can they? A lot of Buddhists are also vegetarian, banned from initiating violence, and celibate as well. Restrictions on certain forms of rumpy pumpy (same sex stuff in particular, but some of the nuttier snake handling baptists think even a woman going on top in the missionary is evil) are very widespread, and then there's the people who can't eat a non kosher diet, or (like Mary Whitehouse or Newton Gingrich) just aren't allowed to mind their own fucking business.
There's an awful lot of restrictions once you start looking for them, sadly.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 11:53:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you agree that vegans dont have to be religious? That there are people who are celibate yet can be atheists? That there are many who commit no acts of violence regardless of their religious views?

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 12:34:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why would I not accept that? It's pretty self evident.
However, for a lot of religions, these sorts of proscriptions are part of the deal, and if you want the religion, you have to accept them, whether you like it or not. To my way of thinking, that's more of a loss of autonomy than choosing to go vegan or abhor the vertical slam dance, or whatever.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/6/2010 12:46:42 PM   
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quite simply where is the god you believe in, where does it reside ?



I am Christian and Biblically speaking God resides everywhere in the heavens and earth.

For me, where he resides really is nothing I ever pondered, nor do I think it really matters much to me. I do know, without question, he resides in me. And for me, that is enough of an answer.

I was born and raised in a famliy of faith, all my friends were of faith. There came a time I questioned the existence of God , the seemingly hypocrtical aspect of church. I spent many years not really believing or having any faith at all. But I returned to my roots and my faith grew. I still have many questions that I suspect my human mind and body will never get the answer to. I firmly believe that not all things in life have an answer, they simply are. But I do believe that the answers to things I question will be answered to me in my spiritual life. I am content within myself with that and I guess that is part of what having faith is about.

Please note: I use the word " faith " to encompass all religions. I was not and am not sheltered enough to have only had Christian/Protestant/Catholic friends, nor family for that matter.

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