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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 5:36:26 AM

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If its all meaningless, what have we lost by believing?

the truth

The truth according to whom? You are assuming you know what my truths are.

The truth according to what can be proved. If you get a good feeling or some feeling of strength when you think of a god or whatever you believe in and you want to call that your truth, that's fine.

But if you think you already know then there's no reason to find out what is real. That is why most scientist don't believe in the supernatural. It is why they continue to try and uncover the truth.

You think most scientists arent religious?

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 5:38:27 AM

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He is in each one of us and in every living thing on this planet....He is energy and light. The alpha and omega.....No beginnng or no end

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 5:57:10 AM

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If its all meaningless, what have we lost by believing?

the truth

The truth according to whom? You are assuming you know what my truths are.

The truth according to what can be proved. If you get a good feeling or some feeling of strength when you think of a god or whatever you believe in and you want to call that your truth, that's fine.

But if you think you already know then there's no reason to find out what is real. That is why most scientist don't believe in the supernatural. It is why they continue to try and uncover the truth.

Yeah, that's a point, a buddie of mine is a believer, a baptist who has done the alpha thingy, but his job and interest is science, a microbiologist, he also does not believe in the supernatural, but he believes in god, but he says belief in the supernatural and god are two different things. Me as a believer of many things and other things can't see the differerence as belief in something one cannot prove but knows is there, is belief in the supernatural, no difference from those that believe in ghosts, the holy ghost even. Well, he is a pisces, so we just call him good fish, bad fish.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 6:03:36 AM

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http://www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html

Interesting background into the scientific field.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 7:22:36 AM

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 8:54:35 AM

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Hi lickenforyou

I think tazzygirl has it right. If life is truly meaningless then truth has no more meaning then whether you believe in God or not.

If there is no God...if there is no life after death...if there is nothing over infinite time to witness our existence then who will judge the truths of our civilization? If time is infinite then surely the time will come when all trace of our species… our earth…our solar system…our galaxy…our universe will be completely gone. Our very existence will be as hard to prove as… heaven forbid…GOD . Then what meaning will you version of truth have?

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 1:56:14 PM

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http://www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html

Interesting background into the scientific field.

First of all Einstein is on top of that list. He is on record as saying that he "does not believe in a living god" Religious people, even in his day, try to say he was religious. He was not, so I'm not going to even bother with the rest of the list.

Secondly, religious people always want to go back in time to include scientist that were religious. People were taking baby steps to learn the origin of the universe. From birth they were taught that god did it. Indoctrination is a hard thing to shake.

I Googled to find out how many scientist were atheist, but I was going to have to sift through page after page of religious blogs trying to prove that scientist are religious. I'm not going to waste my time. I know a study came out awhile back and the result was that most scientist are atheist. And there is a direct link to higher education and atheism. Draw your own conclusions from the data, but please don't change it to feel better about your belief.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 2:02:23 PM

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I know a study came out awhile back and the result was that most scientist are atheist. And there is a direct link to higher education and atheism. Draw your own conclusions from the data, but please don't change it to feel better about your belief.

Here's another study...

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A study of more than 700,000 adults showed that those who scored top grades at school were four times more likely to develop bipolar disorder than those with average grades.
The Independent

I'll leave you to draw the conclusion yourself...

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 2:06:25 PM

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licken, you were a victim of link splatter heres what she must have meant you to see:

http://www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html#Christian

The list you were looking at was 100 most influential scientists and by god, one would think Al would top that list on any given sunday.

Al the Jew is not likely to show up on that list that I provided a link to.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 2:16:52 PM

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I know a study came out awhile back and the result was that most scientist are atheist. And there is a direct link to higher education and atheism. Draw your own conclusions from the data, but please don't change it to feel better about your belief.

Here's another study...

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A study of more than 700,000 adults showed that those who scored top grades at school were four times more likely to develop bipolar disorder than those with average grades.
The Independent

I'll leave you to draw the conclusion yourself...

Here's more of that study...

"School pupils with low exam grades also had an increased risk of developing bipolar disorder later in life"

You're still at risk

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 2:23:28 PM

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I know a study came out awhile back and the result was that most scientist are atheist. And there is a direct link to higher education and atheism. Draw your own conclusions from the data, but please don't change it to feel better about your belief.

Here's another study...

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A study of more than 700,000 adults showed that those who scored top grades at school were four times more likely to develop bipolar disorder than those with average grades.
The Independent

I'll leave you to draw the conclusion yourself...

Here's more of that study...

"School pupils with low exam grades also had an increased risk of developing bipolar disorder later in life"

You're still at risk

You Fail. Sadly.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 2:25:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: hertz

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I know a study came out awhile back and the result was that most scientist are atheist. And there is a direct link to higher education and atheism. Draw your own conclusions from the data, but please don't change it to feel better about your belief.

Here's another study...

quote:

A study of more than 700,000 adults showed that those who scored top grades at school were four times more likely to develop bipolar disorder than those with average grades.
The Independent

I'll leave you to draw the conclusion yourself...

Here's more of that study...

"School pupils with low exam grades also had an increased risk of developing bipolar disorder later in life"

You're still at risk

You Fail. Sadly.

Wrong, again.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 2:54:22 PM

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First of all Einstein is on top of that list. He is on record as saying that he "does not believe in a living god" Religious people, even in his day, try to say he was religious. He was not, so I'm not going to even bother with the rest of the list.

What you really shouldn't "bother with" is discussions on subjects about which you are ignorant.

The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness. ~Albert Einstein

Unlike you, Einstein understood that religion does not automatically imply theism.

K.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 2:57:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: hertz

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I know a study came out awhile back and the result was that most scientist are atheist. And there is a direct link to higher education and atheism. Draw your own conclusions from the data, but please don't change it to feel better about your belief.

Here's another study...

quote:

A study of more than 700,000 adults showed that those who scored top grades at school were four times more likely to develop bipolar disorder than those with average grades.
The Independent

I'll leave you to draw the conclusion yourself...

Here's more of that study...

"School pupils with low exam grades also had an increased risk of developing bipolar disorder later in life"

You're still at risk

You Fail. Sadly.

Ha ha ha, just gave up there, huh?

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 3:05:37 PM

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First of all Einstein is on top of that list. He is on record as saying that he "does not believe in a living god" Religious people, even in his day, try to say he was religious. He was not, so I'm not going to even bother with the rest of the list.

What you really shouldn't "bother with" is discussions on subjects about which you are ignorant.

The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness. ~Albert Einstein

Unlike you, Einstein understood that religion does not automatically imply theism.

K.

You clearly don't understand that quote.

And, by the title of the thread I assumed we were talking about theism.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 3:52:46 PM

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You clearly don't understand that quote.

I understand this one:

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Religious people, even in his day, try to say he was religious. He was not

It is very difficult to elucidate this feeling to anyone who is entirely without it. . . The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it ... In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are receptive to it. ~Albert Einstein

K.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 5:24:09 PM

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You clearly don't understand that quote.

I understand this one:

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Religious people, even in his day, try to say he was religious. He was not

It is very difficult to elucidate this feeling to anyone who is entirely without it. . . The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it ... In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are receptive to it. ~Albert Einstein

K.

You're still missing his point.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 6:27:18 PM

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I don't understand the first quote, he saith. I miss the point of the second, he saith. Shall we go like this? Or shall we just conclude that you can't defend your claims and have nothing to offer except empty pronouncements.

K.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 6:34:45 PM

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In what way...all rationalities are determined by majority thinking. Do you deny that pure atheists and their thinking along with reasoning are but a small minority of the worlds population?

Then does it not follow if the vast majority agrees that your thinking is wrong then it could be by the majority considered lacking usual or normal mental clarity or coherence ? The very definition of irrational.

What is rational isn't a popularity contest that you are claiming otherwise is what makes your argument an argumentum ad populum. Even if only one person holds a position that in no way changes the validity of the reasoning by which they reached that position. For instance when Galileo reasoned to the position that the earth moved around the sun his position wasn't irrational because it was unpopular.

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It is not about right or wrong...proof or lack of it…

I disagree, my position is, that's why my position is rational.

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RE: Where is God ? - 12/7/2010 6:58:35 PM

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Perhaps this letter will clarify the matter.

Einstein letter calls Bible ‘pretty childish’

Famous scientist also dismisses belief in God as product of human weakness

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24598856/ns/us_news-faith/

A letter by Albert Einstein outlining his views on God and religion is being sold on Thursday and is expected to fetch from $12,000 to $16,000.

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