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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 9:10:49 AM   
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isoLadyOwner,

Would you be so kind as to provide a link to your story, which appears to have more details than the three articles I read.

Thanks,

KK


Here's a link, there might be newer stories:

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=7961000

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For example, according to AP the victim is reported to have briefly escaped and phoned her mother "saying she was going to kill herself because she couldn't bear to be locked up anymore."


Never mind, I found the source.

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Authorities were called to the apartment Saturday after the woman's mother contacted authorities in Wisconsin. The woman apparently had broken free that day and contacted her mother, saying she was going to kill herself because she couldn't bear to be locked up anymore, police said. It's not clear why she didn't call 911 herself. Police arrived and found both the man and woman in the apartment.

Allowed to go to work
The woman told police she met Hopkins online, and he bought her a one-way ticket to New York City on Feb. 4. He met her at the airport, and the two took a taxi to his apartment in the East Williamsburg section of Brooklyn. Once inside, according to court documents, he told her she was going to be his slave. Hopkins forced her to call him "master" and let her leave only to go to work, the documents said. She had a job as a chef at a restaurant on Manhattan's Upper East Side, and she left at least once but for some reason returned, authorities said, though it's not clear why. When she did, she was handcuffed again. During the eight days, she was blindfolded, gagged and repeatedly raped and forced to perform oral sex, according to court documents.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41620089/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Yet, she wasnt bound, tied or handcuffed when they found her.

This story contradicts the earlier ones.

As far as rectal hemorrhaging and bruising. Hemorrhoids can cause that. Im not making light of the situation, I'm saying things are not adding up


Rectal Hemorrhaging can be caused by hemorrhoids, however, it can also be caused by a violent sexual assault. You asked for evidence of her being "traumatized", she had bruises, she had Rectal Hemorrhaging.

Causation will need to be established by her Physicians or other Medical Experts, we do not know the severity of her injuries at this point. I think this man was doing her great harm, although she may have consented initially.

Things do not add up, however, it is possible she phoned her mother as opposed to 9-1-1 or seeking out the police because she was certain her mother would listen (and follow up) while the police might have given her short shrift. Jeffrey Dahmer murdered a boy who was actually returned to him by the police.

In any event we'll see how this plays out at trial. If Hopkin's isn't convicted at the State level I think Federal Law will see him behind bars.




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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 9:36:11 AM   
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without more of the story, I'm inclined to think it's "buyers remorse", as in the case of Glenn Marcus....

I'll happily change my view if more info disputes that, but as is......



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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 10:08:21 AM   
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What's going to be rough on the Defendant is the multiple charges (for some of them consent isn't an issue). Additionally most Judges and Jurors aren't BDSM friendly. There's also the possibility of Federal charges if the State doesn't get a conviction.

This case is a bit different factually than Marcus which involved a LTR and other facts which distinguish it from Hopkins.

In any event, there are probably Prosecutors who could try this on auto pilot and get a conviction (as long as they prepared pre trial).

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 10:50:39 AM   
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In any event, there are probably Prosecutors who could try this on auto pilot and get a conviction (as long as they prepared pre trial).



Sheesh - there are apprentice lawyers in their teens who wouldn't need to start the engines who could convict this poor sod. (I'm assuming it is the way it looks and he's the victim, not her).





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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 10:59:01 AM   
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Not to be mean, but....if someone was locked up for days, raped and beaten, and was LET OUT, they do NOT return unless someone is going to kill their kid or puppy. Or, they are mentally deficient.

Sorry, not buying it.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 11:15:39 AM   
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In any event, there are probably Prosecutors who could try this on auto pilot and get a conviction (as long as they prepared pre trial).



Sheesh - there are apprentice lawyers in their teens who wouldn't need to start the engines who could convict this poor sod. (I'm assuming it is the way it looks and he's the victim, not her).




They would likely screw up pre-trial and have issues introducing evidence at trial, but assuming everything was in order its possible.

We're all basically certain she consented initially but there don't seem to be reports of that yet. At some point she likely requested her freedom.

The "smoking gun" moment when the Police broke in and found him in the apartment with his victim in a fetal position bruised and hemorrhaging internally makes it seem like she was an unwilling participant when they showed up. That probably won't go over well for him at trial.


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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 11:24:21 AM   
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Not to be mean, but....if someone was locked up for days, raped and beaten, and was LET OUT, they do NOT return unless someone is going to kill their kid or puppy. Or, they are mentally deficient.

Sorry, not buying it.


exactly, red.... one thing that is being overlooked though.

She had a job as a chef at a restaurant on Manhattan's Upper East Side, and she left at least once but for some reason returned, authorities said, though it's not clear why.

According to the AP report, she had a job... not an interview.. but a job... in 8 days... in NYC.... in the restaurant industry.

Someone else mentioned she wouldnt have a kink friendly jury... again... in NYC?

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 11:52:20 AM   
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Not to be mean, but....if someone was locked up for days, raped and beaten, and was LET OUT, they do NOT return unless someone is going to kill their kid or puppy. Or, they are mentally deficient.

Sorry, not buying it.


exactly, red.... one thing that is being overlooked though.

She had a job as a chef at a restaurant on Manhattan's Upper East Side, and she left at least once but for some reason returned, authorities said, though it's not clear why.

According to the AP report, she had a job... not an interview.. but a job... in 8 days... in NYC.... in the restaurant industry.

Someone else mentioned she wouldnt have a kink friendly jury... again... in NYC?


Even in NYC most people who get seated on a Jury in a First Degree Rape case take the responsibility very seriously and actually will follow a Judge's instructions and apply the law.

It takes a rare person to vote to acquit based on their personal kink.

You might be willing to hang a Jury because you identify with the Defendant but most people will choose to apply the law. If media reports are true, the law is not in Hopkins favor on some of these charges,.

The average Juror worries that if the Defendant is acquitted he might take things further next time.

The media rarely reports things accurately but based on these facts I think Hopkins is going to jail for awhile.

If she turns out to be a liar he will probably go free.


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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 11:56:02 AM   
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Who says I identify with the defendant? I said her story makes no sense. Based upon multiple reports and conflicting information, there is no true story here. You, yourself, went from rectal bleeding to internal bleeding.

The only consistent facts that I see are she left that apartment to go to work. She called her mother. Then she returned to the apartment of her attacker.

and, in that, there are alot of questions as to why.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 1:15:32 PM   
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Who says I identify with the defendant? I said her story makes no sense. Based upon multiple reports and conflicting information, there is no true story here. You, yourself, went from rectal bleeding to internal bleeding.

The only consistent facts that I see are she left that apartment to go to work. She called her mother. Then she returned to the apartment of her attacker.

and, in that, there are alot of questions as to why.


Rectal Hemorrhaging is probably internal bleeding as it is bleeding in the Rectum, it is different than anal hemhorraging. The news isn't saying how serious her injury was.

There are Jurors who will do crazy things anywhere. The law isn't necessarily fair as far as consent and BDSM.

I believe rapists should be imprisoned for life. If he raped her he should be imprisoned for life.

I said her story makes no sense earlier, we agree on that.

The hemorrhaging may have been minimal, on the other hand she might have died.

There are people on CM who would probably argue Hopkins had every right to boil her in oil after she was his slave.

This is the most insane thread I've ever bothered to post in.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 2:57:29 PM   
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The only thing obvious here is that there are only two people who know what actually happened.  And neither has likely shared all of the information publicly.

The prosecutor has a plethora of evidence to put this guy away. The question is for how long. The defense needs to cast a shadow of doubt that the victim didn't consent to it (and for the sake of argument, it appears to me that at least until more details publicly surface, the woman is the victim here)  So it means that her character will get called into question and any agreement they had prior to her arrival.   Likely they will attempt to prove that she consented to being his slave.  That certainly won't get him off (as it shouldn't). 

This is PURE speculation--I speculate that she agreed to being his slave without knowing what he truly planned to do--she shows up--after the reality (and brutality--it sounds pretty brutal to me) occurs--she likely wanted out and I'm guessing she didn't tell the police that she agreed to be a slave at first because either she was scared that they would charge her with a crime...or put the blame on her.  Of course, text messages and emails will all be retrieved by the police (even if deleted) so whatever truth is out there, it will come to light.

It just makes me want to screen even more carefully than I already do.  I truly hate seeing this type of thing in the press.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 5:48:01 PM   
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Rectal Hemorrhaging is probably internal bleeding as it is bleeding in the Rectum, it is different than anal hemhorraging. The news isn't saying how serious her injury was.


So you dont know the difference. And the AP news says its rectal hemorrhaging... but you call it internal bleeding. I can tell you, there is a world of difference between the two diagnoses. The internal being much more severe.

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There are people on CM who would probably argue Hopkins had every right to boil her in oil after she was his slave.

This is the most insane thread I've ever bothered to post in.


Seen any of them posting to this thread? You are trying to make a mountain out of this. The rest are keeping it in perspective. She had opportunities to get away... she availed herself of none of these. Im less likely to believe she was a victim of anything.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 6:58:26 PM   
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The suggestion that the "victim" here should have responded to an irrational situation with rationality and clarity of thought is extremely suspect to me. As was stated earlier, everything is speculation here, but if this girl truly was subject to being raped, tortured, beaten, and mentally assaulted over a period of days, do you really think she's going to be operating on all cylinders here? The fact that she phoned her mother first, and not the police, is dispositive of NOTHING. I could easily theorize the reason she called her mother, and not the police, is simple: after being traumatized so severely the only thing she could do was find an emotional link for support to find her way out of the hell she was caught in. I'm sure there are plenty of prostitutes and sex slaves who could identify with such a plight.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/17/2011 9:03:38 PM   
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If you think rectal bleeding and bruising don't count as obvious trauma, then the police finding her shaking in the fetal position probably wouldn't count to you either.




If you think this is a bad thing, you haven't had good anal sex in a while.

{Sarcasm}
A little blood, a few bruises, and curled up in a ball shaking? Sounds like where a slave should be after a hard day's work.
{/Sarcasm}



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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/18/2011 4:16:53 AM   
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She was obviously traumatized, at some point this was non-consensual, this is apt to be a slam dunk for the Prosecution. She can't legally consent to Assault and Battery.


Obviously traumatized? What was so obvious? Because she was shaking on the bed? Hell, after a few orgasms, Im gonna be shaking too.

She didnt call the police.

She didnt seek medical help.

She returned to the place she was being held and abused at.

Im willing to bet there is more to this story.


Tazzy, if somebody would hold you prisoner, rape, beat you and chain you to a radiator, I'm willing to bet you wouldn't act rationally, there's also the Stockholm syndrome that could have played a role. We don't know if he didn't threaten her with something if she didn't come back and calling her mom, she possibly was quite shaken and just wanted to talk to somebody who could give her comfort. I recall a crash several years ago, a car got me on the pavement, I had a bleeding head wound and a broken arm and when I came round, I tried to convince the cops and the ambulance that I am fine and I need to go home, I couldn't recall any numbers of people to inform. Shock and trauma can do odd things to people, this was a car crush, not being abused and held captive for days... A couple of days of sheer terror can drive you out of your mind.

I'm pretty sure there is more to the story, the papers seem to report only a few bits and bobs, I would wonder why she would let a stranger pay her plane ticket and expect a room just for cleaning and cooking, that's inviting trouble but then maybe she's not very bright. Personally I agree with hausboy, also pure speculation but it seems very likely.

Even if she agreed to be his slave, at one point it seems that he went too far.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/18/2011 7:26:47 AM   
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not going to speculate as we don't know the fact, but I'm interested in the story. :o

How long ago did this happen? Has she recovered enough to talk to the media yet? Would like to hear both accounts of events.


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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/18/2011 6:32:29 PM   
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Hello. It really does have much in common with Glenn Marcus's situation, and he did not get a kink friendly or even kink aware jury. I agree it sounds like this woman, like Jodi did with Glenn, is regretting her act the next day (or days later) and is now crying "sex slave". 

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/18/2011 9:56:57 PM   
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Curious, wasnt he supposed to be in court today? Yet no updates?

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/19/2011 5:45:02 AM   
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http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/8/wb_sexdungeonfolo_2011_2_25_bk.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/craigslist_sex_slave_mail_trail_Iagd28hl1ZfC2RBQAgeVZM

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But yesterday, as Hopkins told his side of the story to a grand jury, his lawyer said the suspect and the alleged victim had known each other for more than a year and did not meet via Craigslist.


Rape...remorse...or a combination of the two?

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/19/2011 5:58:05 AM   
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They have known each other, at least via e-mail, since 2009, and didnt meet up via CL. She even called him "Master". I knew this would get interesting.

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