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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/19/2011 6:32:41 AM   
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http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/8/wb_sexdungeonfolo_2011_2_25_bk.html

“I wish nothing more than to serve your every demand (and maybe forcedly…),” read a Dec. 27 e-mail that Stoll said was from the accuser to Hopkins. “I want nothing more than to please you, Master.”

...a Feb. 5 e-mail that Stoll said the accuser wrote to Hopkins said, “I yearn to serve my Master better. Can i cook for you tomarrow (sic)? I love you so much.”
...

“These accusations only arose when my client called the complainant’s mother, to tell her that her daughter needed some emotional help, and should probably go back home.”

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/19/2011 9:34:13 AM   
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If there was a previous relationship it looks more like buyers remorse, but that's not to say that they hadn't previously made arrangements which turned sour. But it doesn't look good for her.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/19/2011 9:44:56 AM   
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It doesn't look good for either of them but it certainly is starting to form more of the puzzle picture. (Doubt we'll ever know the truth)

She certainly didn't fly to NY expecting to be a live-in maid/cook without any sexual or BDSM overtones.  Doesn't excuse whatever the man did to her....but she just gave his defense much more reasonable doubt.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/19/2011 10:27:59 AM   
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Looking more and more like the Glenn Marcus case, IMO

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/19/2011 10:44:15 AM   
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It does indeed look like Glenn's case. However, here, there are no scary pictures to frighten a jury and confuse them into thinking a scary picture absolutely shows coercion. So, he may not fare as poorly as did my friend Glenn. But the basic story does seem the same, doesn't it. I said before Glenn's case will set a horrid precedent for the BDSM community, it looks like thats coming to pass if all a woman now has to do is change her mind and lie about what she previously consented to. I hope this man gets justice.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/19/2011 5:26:56 PM   
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I don't know very much about Glenn Marcus, but a cursory investigation shows that his conviction has been partially overturned and he will be arguing in front of the Supreme Court. I read that he didn't use safe words? If true, I really can't say I feel any sympathy for him.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/19/2011 6:15:34 PM   
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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/20/2011 11:44:12 AM   
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John Hopkins, accused of using craiglist to turn woman into sex slave, says it was ‘consensual’seems to be a hot topic!

This couple even contradict each other about who posted the now-doomed initial ad. Hopefully, Craigslist can track it down.

I can't keep wondering how people with such different realities could hold on 8 days together, even in the World of S and M.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/20/2011 12:16:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/8/wb_sexdungeonfolo_2011_2_25_bk.html

“I wish nothing more than to serve your every demand (and maybe forcedly…),” read a Dec. 27 e-mail that Stoll said was from the accuser to Hopkins. “I want nothing more than to please you, Master.”

...a Feb. 5 e-mail that Stoll said the accuser wrote to Hopkins said, “I yearn to serve my Master better. Can i cook for you tomarrow (sic)? I love you so much.”
...

“These accusations only arose when my client called the complainant’s mother, to tell her that her daughter needed some emotional help, and should probably go back home.”



I hate to state the obvious, but somebody who needs emotional help and is everything but mentally and emotionally stable, would anybody in their right frame of mind enter a BDSM relationship with such a person where being tied to a bed, a radiator and rape play features largely? Especially somebody you don't really know and met over an ad on Craig's List, that's asking for trouble and is almost criminally stupid, and that is assuming that she didn't safeword and/or told him that it is going too far.

For example if a woman has rape play in her profile here, a guy would need to be extremely stupid to meet her and attempt to rape her. It might be less exciting to get to know somebody first, but staying out of prison is possibly also less exciting than being behind bars...


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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/20/2011 1:08:43 PM   
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quote:

For example if a woman has rape play in her profile here, a guy would need to be extremely stupid to meet her and attempt to rape her. It might be less exciting to get to know somebody first, but staying out of prison is possibly also less exciting than being behind bars...


Amen. Anyone playing around with such things is playing with fire, and there's a pretty good chance that you could get burned.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/20/2011 9:02:55 PM   
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I hate to state the obvious, but somebody who needs emotional help and is everything but mentally and emotionally stable, would anybody in their right frame of mind enter a BDSM relationship with such a person where being tied to a bed, a radiator and rape play features largely? Especially somebody you don't really know and met over an ad on Craig's List, that's asking for trouble and is almost criminally stupid, and that is assuming that she didn't safeword and/or told him that it is going too far.

For example if a woman has rape play in her profile here, a guy would need to be extremely stupid to meet her and attempt to rape her. It might be less exciting to get to know somebody first, but staying out of prison is possibly also less exciting than being behind bars...


First, they didnt meet over a craigs list ad. E-mails have documented a few years of association.

Second, if she lied about that, perhaps she has lied about the rope and cuffs being the centerpiece of their relationship. Im not saying she is, but the more her story turns out to be false, the more I tend to disbelieve the whole thing.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/21/2011 12:04:25 AM   
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A Brooklyn man lashed out at the woman he is accused of keeping as a sex slave yesterday, claiming their relationship was consensual and the tryst started when she posted an ad on craigslist looking for a kinky hookup.

In an exclusive jailhouse interview, John Hopkins said he has one question for the Wisconsin woman who has accused him of rape: "Why did you do this to me?"

Wearing a gray Department of Correction jumpsuit, Hopkins, 45, looked disheveled and unshaven as he recalled responding to the ad his accuser posted on craigslist two years ago looking for sex.

The Williamsburg resident said they started to meet up for role-play sex sessions that involved him tying her up as the "slave" while he acted as "master."

"I didn't rape her," insisted Hopkins, who works as an audio engineer. "Everything we did was role-playing. In the game of role-play, the 'slave' actually has the power."

Hopkins is holed up in Rikers Island in lieu of $350,000 bail. He faces a first-degree rape charge and a litany of other charges.

The victim, whose name has not been released, claimed that she was the one to respond to Hopkins' advertisement about a room in his apartment, and he offered her free rent in exchange for cooking.

She said she arrived in the city Feb. 4 and was allegedly gagged, blind-folded and handcuffed to a radiator before being beaten and raped for eight days.

Hopkins said that account is a lie.

"Everything they're saying I did was consensual," Hopkins said. "She could have left if she wanted to, but she didn't."

Hopkins said his kinky sex games with the 27-year-old Midwest woman continued until a few weeks ago when she started drinking heavily.

She left his home, was then kicked out of her friend's apartment on the upper West Side and claimed she crashed in Central Park one night, where she was attacked, Hopkins said.

"I'm convinced those are where the scratches came from," he said. "I didn't do any of that."

Hopkins said the woman returned to his place Friday where she downed half a bottle of vodka.

He said he phoned her mother to tell her the situation and she spoke to her daughter, a sushi chef, for half an hour.

When they hung up, her mother then called the cops and Hopkins was swiftly arrested, Hopkins said.

"I got railroaded," he said. "A woman says anything happened to them in New York State, and they believe her and not the man. It's not fair."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/02/20/2011-02-20_i_swear_we_just_played_sex_games_craigslist_slave_susp_speaks_out.html

The twists and turns continue.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/21/2011 3:03:00 PM   
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I think it will be something in the middle. Things are starting to make sense and his story has some facts that are easily proven or disproven.

Either she was in NYC with him for several weeks or she flew in 8 days before they got together.

The Defense or Prosecution can establish whether she left Wisconsin 8 days before she says they met or several weeks ago using airplane tickets, credit card bills, witnesses, or possibly video. If she's lying here he has a very strong argument. If he's lying and he testifies it will hurt him.

"I didn't rape her," insisted Hopkins, who works as an audio engineer. "Everything we did was role-playing. In the game of role-play, the 'slave' actually has the power."

I pay about zero attention to male domination of women in BDSM. Is it true that female slaves have the power? Most Dominas would dismiss a male slave for binge drinking for weeks or at least take corrective measures to make certain the drinking stopped.

This was part of the same article but I don't see it in the post:

Hopkins said his kinky sex games with the 27-year-old Midwest woman continued until a few weeks ago when she started drinking heavily.

Why did he tolerate this too:

She left his home, was then kicked out of her friend's apartment on the upper West Side and claimed she crashed in Central Park one night, where she was attacked, Hopkins said.

"I'm convinced those are where the scratches came from," he said. "I didn't do any of that."

Hopkins said the woman returned to his place Friday where she downed half a bottle of vodka.

His story sounds a bit odd as well and at a minimum he was a piss poor Dom.

If she was with him for weeks and not 8 days he actually has a chance. Its not clear if he's claiming that she was raped in the park or she consented or the rectal hemorrhaging was falsely reported. They did rape kits most likely so maybe there's DNA from a few people.

"Why did you do this to me?", that's a really good question, she might be totally insane.

Neither person's story makes complete sense at the moment, it will be interesting to see if she was binge drinking in NYC for weeks or not.






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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/21/2011 3:30:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/8/wb_sexdungeonfolo_2011_2_25_bk.html

“I wish nothing more than to serve your every demand (and maybe forcedly…),” read a Dec. 27 e-mail that Stoll said was from the accuser to Hopkins. “I want nothing more than to please you, Master.”

...a Feb. 5 e-mail that Stoll said the accuser wrote to Hopkins said, “I yearn to serve my Master better. Can i cook for you tomarrow (sic)? I love you so much.”
...

“These accusations only arose when my client called the complainant’s mother, to tell her that her daughter needed some emotional help, and should probably go back home.”



I hate to state the obvious, but somebody who needs emotional help and is everything but mentally and emotionally stable, would anybody in their right frame of mind enter a BDSM relationship with such a person where being tied to a bed, a radiator and rape play features largely? Especially somebody you don't really know and met over an ad on Craig's List, that's asking for trouble and is almost criminally stupid, and that is assuming that she didn't safeword and/or told him that it is going too far.

For example if a woman has rape play in her profile here, a guy would need to be extremely stupid to meet her and attempt to rape her. It might be less exciting to get to know somebody first, but staying out of prison is possibly also less exciting than being behind bars...



This argument may destroy Hopkins even if there was a written contract for slavery. If she withdrew consent he had a duty to stop "rape play" and basically all BDSM. She can't legally consent to assault.

If he's telling the truth, she was trusting him with her life and he trusted her with his freedom.

Whether she met him 8 days prior or she was binge drinking in NYC for weeks is the wild card.


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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/21/2011 6:54:15 PM   
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She left his home, was then kicked out of her friend's apartment on the upper West Side and claimed she crashed in Central Park one night, where she was attacked, Hopkins said.

"I'm convinced those are where the scratches came from," he said. "I didn't do any of that."

Hopkins said the woman returned to his place Friday where she downed half a bottle of vodka.

His story sounds a bit odd as well and at a minimum he was a piss poor Dom.


What would you have him do? Keep her in the apartment against her will? Isnt that what she is accusing him of now?

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/22/2011 5:52:48 AM   
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More and more details will emerge about this, but ultimately, no one really knows the truth about what went on here except the two parties involved. And even then there will be 2 different truths, I can almost guarantee.

I think we're going to see an increase of stories like this in the news, as more people get into the "lifestyle" but aren't quite sure exactly what it is.




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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/22/2011 6:08:32 AM   
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i cannot talk because i was in a similar situation to this, except i was held 2 days longer without food, and a little water now and again. if it wasn't for my dad calling the cops because i was out of contact, i would still be in His apartment having His jealous wife beat me and choke me almost to death.

Having said all that, it is as everyone has been saying. Two sides to every story, but sometimes it turns into he said/she said.

TRUTH WILL OUT

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/22/2011 12:04:23 PM   
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. . . Hallo . . . hi, mom. Yes, everything is fine in NYC, I am applying for a job right now as a matter of fact. How is the guy I’m staying with you ask? Well he’s a bastard, he makes me call him “Master” and he makes me clean a lot more than just his house. He even ties me up, whips me, spanks me and is making me submit to him sexually. I can’t wait to get out of there. OK, I’m gonna’ go back home to the evil bastard’s house now. Bye.

(5 minutes later)
. . . Hello, is this the NYC police? I want to report a kidnapping and rape. My daughter is tied up, being held against her will and being sexually abused. The evil bastards address is . . .


After reading all the articles, I am trying to imagine a scenario that fits the few details we have. Seems like a case of dumb and dumberer.

Apparently it was all good until mom found out.

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/22/2011 12:15:11 PM   
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quote:

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i cannot talk because i was in a similar situation to this, except i was held 2 days longer without food, and a little water now and again. if it wasn't for my dad calling the cops because i was out of contact, i would still be in His apartment having His jealous wife beat me and choke me almost to death.

Having said all that, it is as everyone has been saying. Two sides to every story, but sometimes it turns into he said/she said.

TRUTH WILL OUT

Why was she choking you and not her cheating bastid husband?

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RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC - 2/23/2011 6:22:13 AM   
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that is a question i am still asking myself, even now.


Aside from my troubles, it seems that either or both parties were not in the right frame of mind to enter a BDSM relationship. and CRAIGSLIST... give me a break. That site, in my eyes, seems more trouble than its worth

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