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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/7/2011 6:38:48 PM

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How do you pronounce that? It doesn't sound like something rude, does it?

It's Internet shorthand for Christian, mostly used by folks who talk about religion a lot but who aren't necessarily religious, more from a sociological or anthropological perspective. It's faster to type. It is not intended to be insulting or derogatory, unless you think that using an abbreviation is automatically insulting.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/7/2011 7:54:09 PM

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/7/2011 11:10:12 PM

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I'm not into it, out of respect for my parents birthing me into Catholicism. I'm also not against the idea, or it's practitioners.

I apparently looked like I was into it in my 20s; because, out of the blue, a co-worker brought me a gift, and said she knew I understood, and would apreciate it. At the time, I had no idea what she was referring to, but took it because she was one of the kindest human beings, I'd ever encountered.
I don't remember her last name, and have no idea if she's still around. I wish I hadn't lost touch with her. M

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 4:18:13 AM

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Does any one know or have a handle on what percent if any of the Dominant women here are interested in Wicca. I am only assuming here that there would be some as unlike other main stream religions it is not purely male based or administered. I have recently found interest in it and who would make a better teacher eh ? ...Stephan

I have no clue what the percentage would be. I would caution you against assuming....you know what they say "assuming makes an ass out of you..."

While I'm no expert on the Wiccan faith, I was given to understand the belief system is based on a dualistic diety....male/God and female/Goddess. More often than not, though, the female aspect gets more press than her male consort, the Horned One.

Of course, there are various "denominations" of Wicca, much like in any religion.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 5:07:32 AM

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*Inner-voice monologue.*

...And as I read, and studied in curiosity...I thought to myself...why? Why would someone join a cult such as the Heaven's Gate or the Manson Family if it were irrational? Did they not see the errors of this so-called faith? That it was, for lack a better term...stupid? Yes, stupid. Thankfully cults are not on the high-rise as much as they were. Still, I wake up with a feeling of unease, a feeling that could only be gained by an unseen stress. I gazed up, 9:40 AM, morning. Heh, I used to enjoy sleeping in, now I'm lucky to get three hours. All because my eyes have stumbled upon something so ridiculous, so inept, so flawed, that my brain works hard at figuring out what would make a person believe in such a horrible "faith." Shambling, I rose like a reanimated corpse, and I went to the computer. CollarMe...they'll release me from this torment. They always do. Click here, and...oh no...oh dear God no...please...

With the piercings of a thousand daggers, it struck the very nexus of my being as I read just what ravaged my mind and made me lose hope in humanity...

Wicca.

Wicca, I curse thee. I punched something suddenly, it was my wall. I think I broke my hand, no matter. I must continue and cleanse the world of Wicca's taint. It's teachings, better left for a novel concerning elves and woodland creatures. Wiccans are attacking someone here that does no agree with their views. I cannot help him, they are too strong in their stupidity...if only...if only the Wiccans could just...could just...

*Widens eyes*

BE LOGICAL.

Did they hear me? I hope not...stay calm, Stalker. Stay calm.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 5:15:18 AM

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Wow, NS. Nice. Thanx for that..

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 5:33:01 AM

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*Inner-voice monologue.*
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Is this another attempt at that humor thing?

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 5:46:10 AM

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if so he failed miserably. i have yet to read any posts by him that are of any interest . 2 so far have been to put it nicely imbecile.
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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 5:51:15 AM

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I'm thinking that it's either:

A: youthful ignorance or

B: He's trying to be rapier's lapdog.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 5:55:12 AM

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A- Ignorance is not bliss

B- What ever happened to being an individual instead of emulating in order to be cool?

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 6:31:54 AM

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You know, if it is not your thing, that's fine. But your post made a very negative judgment call on all those that practice Wiccanism. Just as Rapier's post did earlier that sucked me in. (Really, if regular posters are going to troll a topic, they should at least declare it beforehand!)

Nature-based, neo-pagan spiritual paths such as Wiccanism are a growing part of the spiritual and religious landscape here in the U.S., and to a lesser extent in Europe and parts of Africa. For the most part, they are positive, life affirming paths based not on religious dogma, but on concepts of spiritual exploration and growth; respect of man and nature; and creating a positive connection with yourself, your fellow beings, the spiritual plane, and the world that you live in.

A pagan will generally never tell you what God you must worship, in what way you must worship, nor how you must live your life.

I have the feeling here that your responses are based not on actual experience, but on a gut-level judgment. So I will ask:

How many pagan folk do you actually know?
Have you ever been to a pagan ritual, gathering, or event?
What is the actual basis for your expressions of judgment and scorn?

At the end of the day, this becomes just like "Your kink is not my kink." and folk clearly have strong opinions on it. My personal view is that paganism actually dovetails quite nicely into D/s because it is not based on religiosity and dogma, but more on a path of spiritual growth, exploration, and freedom - again, it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that is no reason to bash it out of hand.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 6:40:38 AM

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OttersSwim,

Just to clarify...was your post meant for me (if so, I'm confused) or was it simply a fast reply?

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 6:55:18 AM

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*Inner-voice monologue*

Strange, somehow their witchcraft spells have managed to invade my mind and read my thoughts...that, or I pressed the "OK" button. I cannot take chances, they are on me now. Assaulting mercilessly in the form of a gigantic chicken, a discarded part of the human anatomy that says "FU" on it and claims to not read my posts. Well, obviously...you don't have eyes. Then there is some sort of Starbucks picture also making it's move. I feel surrounded by the shapeshifting devils. Could this be their sorcery?! No, of course not...because everybody knows that magic does not exist what sort of stupid idea is that? Yet they insist! But why? Mid-life crisis? Possibly. Boredom? Another possibility.

I must strike back, I must overcome their witch-powers and I know how. I will hit them where it hurts...yes, it will be a low-blow, but it is my one shot at glory.

So...what about those Satanic cults?

Excellent! Everybody mistakes the two pentagrams anyways. Soon they will assume I am a Catholic zealot, and then I will lay on the facts that I am actually Agnostic! Infallible! But what if they go down the road of being offended because of their beliefs being attacked? Well! I suppose they can't conjure a spell to make it all go away, now can they?! Haha! Oh Stalker...you *are* a good one. Why thank you brain. No, thank you! Let's go to the mirror. Let's! Legs, go!

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 6:57:17 AM

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Ahhhhh youth. The time you blissfully think you are so cool and witty, only to realize 20 years later you were just a jerk.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 6:59:32 AM

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OttersSwim,

Just to clarify...was your post meant for me (if so, I'm confused) or was it simply a fast reply?

Sorry, was in reply to Nocturnal and Rapier mostly.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 7:28:33 AM

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Otter, Im afraid this is a fight that isnt worth fighting, my friend. The willfully ignorant and intolerant will remain so.

I know a number of Wiccans and Pagans. One poly family Im friends with down near Cincinatti come to mind, in fact. They are amazing and good hearted people. To me, it doesnt matter what you beleive as long as you arent harming anyone. Just because someone is outside societiy's narrow veiw of "normal", does not mean they aren't a good, honest person. They just happen to beleive something different than most people.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 7:29:09 AM

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You know, if it is not your thing, that's fine. But your post made a very negative judgment call on all those that practice Wiccanism. Just as Rapier's post did earlier that sucked me in. (Really, if regular posters are going to troll a topic, they should at least declare it beforehand!)

Nature-based, neo-pagan spiritual paths such as Wiccanism are a growing part of the spiritual and religious landscape here in the U.S., and to a lesser extent in Europe and parts of Africa. For the most part, they are positive, life affirming paths based not on religious dogma, but on concepts of spiritual exploration and growth; respect of man and nature; and creating a positive connection with yourself, your fellow beings, the spiritual plane, and the world that you live in.

A pagan will generally never tell you what God you must worship, in what way you must worship, nor how you must live your life.

I have the feeling here that your responses are based not on actual experience, but on a gut-level judgment. So I will ask:

How many pagan folk do you actually know?
Have you ever been to a pagan ritual, gathering, or event?
What is the actual basis for your expressions of judgment and scorn?

At the end of the day, this becomes just like "Your kink is not my kink." and folk clearly have strong opinions on it. My personal view is that paganism actually dovetails quite nicely into D/s because it is not based on religiosity and dogma, but more on a path of spiritual growth, exploration, and freedom - again, it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that is no reason to bash it out of hand.

Agreed.

I think people who have no experience with wicca think its all about buying black candles and chanting naked in the moonlight. Or concocting love potions and making voodoo dolls to stick pins in. The idea of spiritual self enlightenment and celebrating one's place in the universe is largely overlooked.

There are those who, b/c of negative connotations, do not consider modern wicca to be a religion. For them it is spiritual path they chose to follow. One can easily follow this path without having to ever meet or congregate with other followers. It is very much a personal path. (The modern wiccan movement has been criticized by some who think the path is too personal and there is not enough adherence to old rituals.)

Wicca is an ancient path with roots going as far back as archeologists can go. Early cave men (500,000 years ago) were pagans. http://www.matrixbookstore.biz/cavemen.htm

As the article points out, early man didn't worship a particular god (there is no real evidence of that happening until approx. 7000 years ago) he was spiritually in awe of the many mysteries in his universe.

"The caveman’s senses were keen to this; he could hear the spirit world and could communicate spiritually on a regular basis. Their harsh circumstances were ideal for this to occur and a phenomenon few modern men can comprehend or would believe. Guidance and blessings were often sought and miracles were undoubtedly more commonplace."

For me at least, modern wicca is about trying to get yourself back to being spiritually as one with the universe. It is a personal path that requires a certain degree of self enlightenment to tread. As is, in my never humble opinion, BDSM.

A person who ridicules what they do not know or understand speaks volumes about their stunted growth and lack of spiritual enlightenment.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 7:33:57 AM

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I think this might be the very first time that a cultural difference has been mentioned on the boards (which I'll thank VC for the explanation) that I actually didn't enjoy. I've never noticed in particular that our English friends were more likely to be outspoken in disagreements on matters of faith. I'll have to pay more attention in that area. (Might be a good P&R thread.)

With that said, RF, I'm disappointed in your lack of courtesy on the matter. I consider Myself to be a person of faith. Just because it doesn't happen to align with the original of this thread doesn't matter to Me. If you came along and called My beliefs "fluffy horseshit" I'd be wondering what in the world was wrong with you.

I don't have to believe what someone else believes to be able to respect their spirituality. I'll hope in the future that you can do the same.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 7:38:41 AM

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Nature-based, neo-pagan spiritual paths such as Wiccanism are a growing part of the spiritual and religious landscape here in the U.S., and to a lesser extent in Europe and parts of Africa. For the most part, they are positive, life affirming paths based not on religious dogma, but on concepts of spiritual exploration and growth; respect of man and nature; and creating a positive connection with yourself, your fellow beings, the spiritual plane, and the world that you live in.

Greetings,

Having read your comments on this thread i'm left with a few questions. The most obvious being why you got 'sucked in' when it was merely an offhand remark that didn't demand debate, nonetheless that's your right so be it. But then you base your dialogue on statistics generated by the Army, which lead me to wonder how long you've been involved with Wicca. It simply isn't a figure most would look to when speaking of that branch of Paganism. There are better sources that are more in touch with the pulse so to speak that would have been more reputable.

The real problem with finding the information is mainly due to the categorization of what constitutes Neo-Paganism and accounting for those that may have eclectic practices that pull from multiple sources, some of which do not fall under the bandanna, such as Native American spirituality and African Traditional Religions. Nor do the latter two wish to be lumped in with the Neo folks.

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A pagan will generally never tell you what God you must worship, in what way you must worship, nor how you must live your life.

Pagans are just as judgmental and narrow-minded as other religious types. There's always been a divide in Wicca between the supposed traditional lines (Gardnerian/Alexandrian and offshoote) and those that choose to blend. The latter may be more commonplace these days but it was never readily received. Nor was self-initiation considered acceptable in the past. And i found they bickered just as fervently as any Christian group i'd encountered. The ranks are generally filled with those that fled Western religions and they bring all their anti-whatever baggage with them. i'm not speaking as a third party observer, but as a former practitioner of Wicca and Traditional non Wiccan based practices. i simply did not witness the brotherhood you're suggesting.

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My personal view is that paganism actually dovetails quite nicely into D/s because it is not based on religiosity and dogma, but more on a path of spiritual growth, exploration, and freedom - again, it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that is no reason to bash it out of hand.

i don't agree with your assessment and you're overgeneralizing quite a deal. There are merits of D/s that are in opposition to some paths that might fall under the label. Rather than sweep the whole lot beneath that statement, i'd specify instead. Even still, you might encounter this issue regarding harm and sadism. They're not exactly bedfellows and there's no religion that i'm aware of -and i'm speaking right hand and middle ground here- that would promote the practice. Ascetics flagellate for a purpose, and it is generally related to G-d or is used as a corrective measure of atonement. Even sex magick has a purpose, though the goal is up to its participants. If you're accustomed to working with light and dark energies you'd have a clear understanding which ones are drawn to practices like that. Hence the comment.

In short, there are individuals who find Wicca appealing who also have an attraction to or practice D/s mainly because they're accustomed to walking by their own drumbeat. i wouldn't say one fosters the other. i've met more than my share of Christians doing the same. And at the end of the day it is a personal choice for most.

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RE: Wicca and Dominant women - 4/8/2011 7:44:57 AM

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i dance naked under moonlight . sometimes i dance by the light of a campfire. even if youre not Wiccan you should try it . (with lots of bug repellant of course )

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