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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 10:15:38 PM

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There is no end to a woman's choice of what she does with her body. One can choose drugs, but then one becomes a drag on the rest of society(being non-productive, needing free medical care, etc). One can choose prostitution, but I imagine the practice to be soul-killing.

I don't think drugs necessarily makes someone non-productive, and I've actually known someone who enjoyed prostitution. I didn't get it, but "her body her choice" imo.

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What if society were to compel men to become fathers? Milk them for their sperm and then force them to pay child support?

Her body, her choice. That is all.

Well society already does force men to be fathers if consensual sex results in a pregnancy the woman doesn't want to terminate. And it does force them to pay child support. Milking unwilling men for sperm would only be equatable to a woman getting pregnant after a rape. Women have more options to terminate after consensual sex. But that's a tangent I really don't feel like getting into. I think abortion should be legal. This thread isn't anti-abortion.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 10:20:01 PM

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A more facetious way to begin an argument, I have yet to see. Won't the men also take this "legal" crack in your hypotheical situation? How shall we punish them?

Why would we punish them?

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You see...your position is all about punishing women for having abortions or about not allowing women to have abortions, in the first place.

You actually don't have the slightest idea what my position is, but feel free to tell me what it's about anyway.

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Or perhaps you are equating a medical procedure to being addicted to crack cocaine. All of these positions are, quite frankly, stupid.

I'm not equating the two. I'm trying to discuss the rights of individuals to make choices about their own bodies, even though others might disagree with the validity of that choice.

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Women will have abortions regardless of the legality. Where will you be when a woman bleeds to death because of an unsafe, illegal abortion? Where will you be when children are born unwanted and unappreciated?

Women will smoke crack regardless of the legality.

Where will you be when a woman dies because her cocaine was cut with rat poison?

Where will you be when a woman gets stabbed in an alley because she has to buy her crack from the ghetto instead of the pharmacy?

Don't you care?

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 10:29:16 PM

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We can't really say that a woman's right to do what she wants with her own body ends when you introduce mind altering drugs because then a woman wouldn't have the right to drink alcohol.

I dont need alcohol, do you?

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 10:31:30 PM

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What if society were to compel men to become fathers? Milk them for their sperm and then force them to pay child support?

Her body, her choice. That is all.

Isn't that exactly what happens?

The father has no say in the decision, whether he wants the baby or not.

Unless she impregnates herself with a turkey baster at a sperm bank, it should not only be her choice but a choice made by both involved.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 10:32:05 PM

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Well society already does force men to be fathers if consensual sex results in a pregnancy the woman doesn't want to terminate.

There is a huge difference between a sperm donor and a father.

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And it does force them to pay child support.

Because society got tired of paying for the mistakes of two consenting adults. Consent, by its very definition, means you know what you are getting into and agree. Therefore, a man agrees he may very well get the woman pregnant. Its his choice.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 10:32:40 PM

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I dont need alcohol, do you?

No, but I don't think it should be illegal.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 10:34:31 PM

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Because society got tired of paying for the mistakes of two consenting adults. Consent, by its very definition, means you know what you are getting into and agree. Therefore, a man agrees he may very well get the woman pregnant. Its his choice.

Do women somehow not know that sex might end in pregnancy?

"You chose to have sex knowing it might lead to pregnancy therefore you must shoulder the responsibility of this child" isn't really a pro-abortion argument.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 10:40:47 PM

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I dont either. That isnt the point. You wanted to know about the phrase, and I have been explaining it to you. Outside of the abortion issue, it is still her choice. But, just like with pregnancy, her choices have consequences.

Now, reverse the issue on abortion. You can only have one if the father agrees. Thats how some wanted to make it. And its a slippery slope. That would be an extremly abusive stance, forcing a woman to gain consent before a procedure. Women used to have to gain their husbands consent before getting a tubal, yet he can slip into a Drs office, get a nip and no one is the wiser.

And, to just let everyone know, I was a single mother. I never went after the father for support. I refused to name him. His father ran to california and refused paternity... paternity he now claims now that my son is 24. I was one of the lucky ones. Both my parents and his helped me to raise my son into the wonderful man he is today.

I do not paint all men with the same brush stroke as my ex. One of my ex's is a wonderful dad and supports his kids emotionally, spiritually and financially. But to forget that there are men who will fuck and run, not caring what they leave behind, is leaving out a vast majority of the problem.

A woman's body is hers to do with what she wishes, just like a man's body is his to do as he wishes.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 10:42:47 PM

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Do women somehow not know that sex might end in pregnancy?

"You chose to have sex knowing it might lead to pregnancy therefore you must shoulder the responsibility of this child" isn't really a pro-abortion argument.

Im not pro-abortion... im pro-choice. There is a difference. And of course she knows what the end result might be. Which is why i made the following remark...

Because society got tired of paying for the mistakes of two consenting adults. Consent, by its very definition, means you know what you are getting into and agree. Therefore, a man agrees he may very well get the woman pregnant. Its his choice.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 10:56:31 PM

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Im not pro-abortion... im pro-choice. There is a difference. And of course she knows what the end result might be. Which is why i made the following remark...

Because society got tired of paying for the mistakes of two consenting adults. Consent, by its very definition, means you know what you are getting into and agree. Therefore, a man agrees he may very well get the woman pregnant. Its his choice.

Well technically you're only pro-choice when it comes to abortion. It's like the common fallacious argument "how can you be pro-life if you support the death penalty" which is why I said pro-abortion, so there could be no confusion that we're actually talking about "choice" in general. I suppose that's really the point of this thread, to get past the slogans into the real meaning.

I'm wondering why the consequences of pregnancy should be avoidable by women but not by men, when they both knew that pregnancy could be a consequence. FWIW I think men should have the option to terminate parental rights/responsibilities for the first 5 or so months after learning he's the father, similar to how women are able to terminate pregnancy in a certain time frame.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 11:08:40 PM

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Therefore crack should be legal.

Discuss.

Ok. What's to discuss?

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 11:13:35 PM

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Well technically you're only pro-choice when it comes to abortion

You know my views on the death penalty?

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I suppose that's really the point of this thread, to get past the slogans into the real meaning.

I meant what I said... im pro-choice. Its the woman's choice. I dont advocate for abortions, nor do I agree with talking a woman into one. I have held the hands of too many women and girls to realize the emotional toll it can have. But I do agree that if a woman wants one, she should be able to get one as safely as possible.

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FWIW I think men should have the option to terminate parental rights/responsibilities for the first 5 or so months after learning he's the father, similar to how women are able to terminate pregnancy in a certain time frame.

LOL.. now wouldnt that be a site! He has the "right" to walk away from a child, leaving the woman and the state to pay for it, while there are certain parties in this country trying to deny her the right to do the same.

What a blip!

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 11:16:43 PM

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Neither. What I meant is that prostitution is so bad, in part, because of the pimps. Legalizing prostitution would have many benefits for workers. Nevada is hardly what I could call a sex-workers state. Having to pay the brothel half of what they make, then the cab driver who brought the john in 30% of what they charge is hardly what I would call an independent contractor. Not to mention these women cant leave for weeks at a time. In fact, many prostitutes have claimed the brothels are no better than working for a pimp.

Have you ever watched Cathouse on HBO? It's about the Moonlite Bunny Ranch in Carson City, NV.

The women that work there go home at night and they love their jobs, not to mention they make boatloads of money and are able to live very upscale private lives.

Here's one show if you want to see, but I have to warn you it gets somewhat graphic at times.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 11:33:30 PM

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Therefore crack should be legal.

Discuss.

It is in nevada. Nevada has 34 licensed butt huts and crack is available in everyone of them

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 11:34:52 PM

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crack ends up controlling you

Isn't that what sexual domination is all about?

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 11:45:12 PM

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I am pro-family. I am also pro-choice.

I think that a rational woman (oh, say, one who isnt on crack) is the one best suited to determine whether or not she is able to be a parent.

I am also tired and loopy at the moment, so I am not sure I am making sense...

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 11:45:12 PM

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Yep. Same old Thom. Back to the corner with you.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 11:51:23 PM

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Having to pay the brothel half of what they make, then the cab driver who brought the john in 30% of what they charge is hardly what I would call an independent contractor.

The 50% that the house takes is for room,board,laundry and medical in addition to providing a safe and secure facility.
I do not know where you heard of the cabbie getting 30%...on a two hundred dollar piece of ass that is 100 for the house and 60 for the cabbie ...no girl will work for that.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/15/2011 11:58:45 PM

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I can't believe how many people actually fell for this canard.

My turn now:

"How many people want the barrel of a tank gun up their ass?"

"Discuss."

What other idiotic thing can I come up with, followed by "Discuss"?

Discuss.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/16/2011 12:00:37 AM

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Having to pay the brothel half of what they make, then the cab driver who brought the john in 30% of what they charge is hardly what I would call an independent contractor.

The 50% that the house takes is for room,board,laundry and medical in addition to providing a safe and secure facility.
I do not know where you heard of the cabbie getting 30%...on a two hundred dollar piece of ass that is 100 for the house and 60 for the cabbie ...no girl will work for that.

She might if she has to keep up her drug habit.

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