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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 9:28:36 AM   
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i am am i taking any money off that Domme and using it for my own benefit no, my services are free of charge, Her money is being used to pay the bills correct, Her money pays for food correct, but its going to companies, ie electricity and gas board and shopping centre ltd not me
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so you'd be happy to sleep in a tent in the garden, not use the gas or electricity or eat her food? Then I can see that working.

Otherwise you become a household expense. You cost money. Money is going to companies (gas/electric/food) because YOU are incurring those expenses. If you weren't there, she wouldn't have to pay as much. The difference in the amount she spends is how much YOU are costing her to pander to your fantasies of house slave.



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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 9:33:54 AM   
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 9:36:30 AM   
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Back up the truck love, park the bus, You need to stop and think about what you just said, its rather immoral, i think that s going a bit far dont You, i havent judged You why should you judge me, i dont think there is anything immoral about helping out someone else free of charge even if claiming unemployment benefit was involved, and i never mentioned anything about that, where our the words unemployment benefit anywhere in this tread except now since you v e raised it, as for fraud, give me a break, my job was taken off me, thats fraud
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If you have an independent income, why are you always whining about having no money? The government doesn't pay you to sit on your ass. Either you're getting Jobseeker's Allowance, or Invalidity Benefit, or Carer's Allowance or some other payout cos if you're spending all your time giving a 'free' full time service to a Domme, then you sure as hell aren't in gainful PAID employment.

If you're getting Jobseeker's Allowance then you have to be looking for work AND be available AND only perform a limited amount of unpaid work, at the JobCentre's agreement. Otherwise it's fraud. If you're not looking for a job, you're not a job seeker.

So the situation is now that you have NO income and in return for housework you expect to be kept by someone else? Yeah, that's much better - you should be snapped up in no time

Oh, and your job was taken from you because you're a whiny little fuck, not because you are the proud owner of a dick. Get over it.



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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 9:49:03 AM   
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Feminism, as I've noted before, is an entirely different bag. Many self-styled feminists are in reality far closer to the ideals of women's liberation than true feminism, but those who actually adhere to it are of rather a different bent. A simple etymological reduction (femin=female, ism=doctrine of) will demonstrate that the intent of that movement and the intent of the women's lib movement are different. Feminism is essentially the advancement of the feminine, which is an inherently open-ended affair to which the only logical conclusion is matriarchy. Again, most self-styled feminists do not necessarily see that as a desirable goal, but such are the vagaries of language. Those who do adhere to a true feminist ideology are never going to be satisfied - they really DO want everything men had along with the old perquisites of their gender, which is a laughable and unrealistic goal which will only continue to exist for another 10-20 years until the pendulum stabilizes and we move past the penalty phase.

The moral of the story is this: Do not conflate these two ideologies. The difference between them is the difference between equality allies and white supremacists.



Epytropos. I don't mind personal views, but I don't like it when personal views are conveyed in 'authoritative tones' in the way you've done here.

What you've said is rubbish.

The Women's Liberation Movement was (is) a part of the feminist movement. It is 'the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men'. It might be arguable that in lots of cases feminism has gone beyond such equality; nonetheless, that's the definition of it and you'll find few definitions of - except looney right-wing anti-feminists - that'll differ.





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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 9:49:49 AM   
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i would work much longer than 5-10 hours per week, it would be more like 5-10 hours per day or whatever number of hours the Lady in question wants
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 9:55:04 AM   
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Yes, it shows that, in both cases, they want the sort of security that they don't tend to get, otherwise, from the vanilla world.

Women still earn less than men for the same work, in the majority, and they are still less likely to be considered than men for a great many lines of work, even though they can do them. Yet, they are expected to spend far more than the man, just to look "proper" when stepping outside the house. Women's hair cuts cost more, even if they ask for a man's style; a good quality man-tailored suit (meaning won't fall apart immediately) for a woman costs far more than a man-tailored suit for a man.

The male dom wants sex on his terms, he wants the woman there to provide it. The woman wants sex on her terms, and, that includes being able to afford the shoes, makeup, leather outfit, etc.

What you have failed to point out is where they are absolutely the same. See, in the relationship where the dominant male is in charge of the submissive female, he almost always provides her with financial security so that she is able to provide him with the sexual freedom and /or emotional security, time for obedience training, etc. that he craves. And, in the relationship where the woman is dominant, he almost always provides her with the financial secuirty she needs, so that she is able o provide him with sexual freedom and/or emotional security, time for obedience training,etc. that he craves.

In both cases, it is about one person doing more of the work, for the sake of having their fantasy fulfilled. Ideally, this will mean a reversal, and, the other person doing more work in some respects and also having their fantasies fulfilled, in some other way, as well.

Any man who doesn't understand this basic fact, that a woman needs to feel safe and respected to feel truly sexualized, is a man who doesn't deserve a woman, whether he claims to be owner or owned.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:02:33 AM   
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If you weren't there, she wouldn't have to pay as much. The difference in the amount she spends is how much YOU are costing her to pander to your fantasies of house slave.


That too! But, expenses come in many forms. Very few men fantasize about being a house slave to a woman whose legs are unshaved, who wears clothes with holes and stains because she can't afford to replace them or the thread and patch material to fix them, who never wears makeup and whose hair needs to be trimmed, having to stay home and never getting whipped because no one can afford the whip or the materials to make it, never having food to eat out of his little pet dish, and, washing her dishes without dish soap.

Most of them want a well groomed, well made up Mistress, who can go out and leave them alone to do the cleaning on occasion, so they can feel particularly put upon and slave-like, who will have interesting toys and gadgets to use on them, and, who can force them to cook her a nice meal while leaving them the scraps, etc. A good round of that, every month, can cost much more than the cost of rent!

But, of course, women are only here to do the bidding of the slave males and should be willing to scrimp and sacrifice for the sheer pleasure of dressing like a tart, beguiling him, then letting him watch her sleep with someone else, and, she should never, ever expect him to lift a finger to help her, unless it is to waggle his chastity device (which she paid for) in her face and demand release.

Isn't that right, slave boys?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:09:29 AM   
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i would also willing sleep in a tent if the Lady required that or sleep in a shed, a cage etc, as regards the rest i would cook for Her so i can only assume that the 7 or so hours weekly spent on cooking costing electricity i know would not be a problem to Her in the way of paying for it, if it was She would i trust always kick me out
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:12:57 AM   
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that's why the Domme is working to provide for Herself in terms of clothing etc. Beyond being reasonably attractive i would not expect any Woman or Domme to lay out any extras for me in the way of toys whips etc. If she wants to look after Her grooming nail polish etc i would leave that to Her
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:18:18 AM   
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Beyond being reasonably attractive


Reasonably attractive takes a LOT of money, in Western society, however. And, if the Domme is working for herself, what the ?##$*** does she need slaves for? She could just call in a random cock with a man attached, for when she wants to play. Random cocks are not at all hard to find, after all - it's men who do something besides standing around fingering their own genitalia that is difficult to obtain.

The male dominant generally expects his little slave girl to do work, you know? Work that he would, otherwise, be paying some other woman to do. It saves him money. Sometimes he rents her out to others, for various purposes.

However, this is all neither here nor there, as the real point is that if you want a dominant woman, then you will learn to accept their needs and their desires. If you feel that men are more the kind of dominant you can relate to, then, go serve men, instead. Women really don't need men in their lives who cannot at all see their point of view, anyway.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:21:48 AM   
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What you have failed to point out is where they are absolutely the same. See, in the relationship where the dominant male is in charge of the submissive female, he almost always provides her with financial security so that she is able to provide him with the sexual freedom and /or emotional security, time for obedience training, etc. that he craves. And, in the relationship where the woman is dominant, he almost always provides her with the financial secuirty she needs, so that she is able o provide him with sexual freedom and/or emotional security, time for obedience training,etc. that he craves.

In both cases, it is about one person doing more of the work, for the sake of having their fantasy fulfilled. Ideally, this will mean a reversal, and, the other person doing more work in some respects and also having their fantasies fulfilled, in some other way, as well.



I must admit, I'm struggling with all that. Could you clarify? Are you suggesting that in the average Femdom/malesub relationship the femdom doesn't get her fantasy fulfilled, too?


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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:25:41 AM   
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i would work much longer than 5-10 hours per week, it would be more like 5-10 hours per day or whatever number of hours the Lady in question wants
kevin



There just is not that much work in a basic household to do, unless you are extremely inept.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:26:50 AM   
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:29:13 AM   
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For sure.


Let's be realistic. When I lived on my own, I spent maybe 30 minutes to an hour a day doing basics like preparing meals, throwing a load of laundry in, tidying. I spent about 2 hours cleaning the house on the weekend on average during which I could do top to bottom dusting, vac, bathrooms, kitchen, change linens, etc. Add in maybe an extra 2 hours a month for "sometimes" jobs, like taking apart the fridge or cleaning out the closet.

Now that it's me and my husband, overall chores require a little more work since there's two of us (and a bigger house), but we also split the work so it takes me personally even less time.

I don't see how all of this would justify paying someone's living expenses so I don't have to do it.



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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:32:29 AM   
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What i mean by reasonably attractive is that the Woman is well washed soap doesnt cost much , good grooming, ok granted , haircuts for Women cost more but nothing more than that would i expect, and by the way i looked at Your profile Ma'am and am very attracted to it, very nice profile, and i especially like the Authority it exudes Your Authority Ma'am, yeah more and more im beginning to think that this kind of discipline especially the way you laid out a programme for a former servant, very impressive , is what i need
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:34:07 AM   
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When i talk about housework i mean gardening, heavy duty yard work, farm labour, hard labour as well as housework, not just washing dishes, much more than that
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:34:30 AM   
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dig yourself in, as you awlays do.

you DO realize that anyone that might be (for a moment) interested in you CAn pull up your post history, right?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:35:24 AM   
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why would post history be relevant. History after all is just that history. it s past and gone
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:36:40 AM   
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omg, you're serious, arent you?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 10:37:22 AM   
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much as it might amaze You Yes
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