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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:00:23 PM

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Well... damn, I actually started the thread in mistress. lol

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3453078/mpage_1/tm.htm

I didn't link it then so I can't find it.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:00:59 PM

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Drats! 0-1!

I look forward to reading the one you have in mind.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:10:01 PM

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I appreciate (as always) you trying, poise, but I don't think that's it. (As an aside, if you could look for another thread for Me, I would greatly appreciate it. I can't ignore that you are wonderful with research.)

To cut to the chase, most women don't need dick on call. I don't have to financially support someone just to get laid. All I ever have to do is walk out of My front door. This is the common experience of all women. Not so much with men.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:11:53 PM

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As always, I welcome the opportunity to assist. Thank you. :)

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:15:55 PM

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http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/would-you-date-an-unemployed-guy-2385943

http://www.examiner.com/events-in-san-francisco/unemployed-3-out-of-5-women-will-date-you-discount-amc-and-cal-academy-of-sciences-tix

These aren't what I was looking for, but interesting to some degree.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:17:04 PM

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Such a wonderful girl, poise.

Do you see that, OP? That is what women want.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:17:49 PM

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Such a wonderful girl, poise.

Do you see that, OP? That is what women want.

Absolutely!!!

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:20:28 PM

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Such a wonderful girl, poise.

Do you see that, OP? That is what women want.

Absolutely!!!

Agreed, Lockit.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:47:07 PM

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I have dated, seen and been with unemployed men from the start and during the relationship. I would do it again if I believed the man was actually trying to make it in life and wasn't looking for a stupid mama to take care of him, while reaping in the benefits of a stupid mama. I'm not stupid. I am compassionate and understanding... but stupid is accepting a man that has failed to thrive in life with no good reason and by choice.

I wish that sort of comment had come at the beginning of this thread. From these forums, I've come to know femdoms who've been anything but money-grabbing - quite the opposite, in many, many cases. Some all-round, excellent women.

Jesus, sometimes I think, 'There but for the grace of God I could have gone'. I *could* have chanced upon the personals and thrown myself into dating, without bothering to talk on these forums at all. If I'd started chatting with my first femdom, (or should that be 'femdom'?), and she'd tried the old bait and switch . . . to be honest, I think that would have been end of it. I'd have given up, entirely, believing that my idea of a D/s relationship - that is, one in which people are partners - was just a pipe dream. That really is what I used to believe; that really is just how cynical about D/s I once was, and easily shattered my hope was, back then.

As a submale, self-hatred is never all that far away. There's *always* going to be a little voice that whispers, every now and then, 'Matey, you're just not a real man, are you?' Even for me that's true, and - modesty aside - I'm one of the toughest there is. Not in the same league as Otters, say, but pretty up there. You have that, and your first and biggest experience of femdoms is one of those parasites - you just *will* have an explosion of bitterness and cynicism. You just think, "Ah, right. I'm showing my cunt-side, so that's how I'm going to be treated. Right enough, why would I ever have expected anything else but to be treated like a cunt?"

I do understand why some femdoms react with cynicism and bitterness, too, though. God knows, I'm aware of the stories, some in quite a lot of detail. And I wouldn't want to begin to lecture people who feel like they're being tarred with the same brush. If I were one of those good and decent women who happens to be a femdom, and with whom I've spoken here, it's quite likely that I, too, would get utterly inflamed by some ignorant herbert turning up and lumping me together with the bloody limitless number of parasites that infest the personals side of CM.

However, I just cannot see that bitterness and cynicism gets lessened by bitterness and cynicism in response. All it does it make *everyone* feel worse, and worse, and worse.

I wish I'd been one of the first to answer the OP. Then I could have spoken to him, knowing something of his feelings and experiences, but also knowing something of all you good women, too. That's all.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:49:00 PM

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Did anybody read the link within the article? "Four good reasons to date someone unemployed." What a crock! Sorry, but people get depressed when they aren't employed because it takes away part of the essence of who they are. They aren't writing novels or planning romantic dates. They are feeling the effects of losing their jobs and/or job hunting and working on keeping their self-esteem.

I'm married, but if I were single, I would not be interested in someone who was unemployed. There's more negative than positive attached to it.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3759159/mpage_1/tm.htm

Why did you even respond to this thread in the first place?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 2:58:28 PM

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Why did you even respond to this thread in the first place?

Why? Why the hell not?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 3:01:40 PM

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Peon, I remember when you first came here and even warned you that you were about to be eaten. lol I saw something in you that I don't see in many others that may have had a poor experience or some confusion. You cannot compare yourself to the majority that come in a complain'n or thinking some obscure personal opinion and presenting it as fact, which the op here did. You asked questions that ruffled a few feathers until your real motive... to understand... was seen and understood. Big difference.

It is wonderful that you want to help these guys and protect them in a sense, but I don't think the situations are comparable and will result no matter how they are responded to, as your results came about. Bottom line, you asked... they are telling.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 3:12:09 PM

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Peon, I remember when you first came here and even warned you that you were about to be eaten. lol I saw something in you that I don't see in many others that may have had a poor experience or some confusion. You cannot compare yourself to the majority that come in a complain'n or thinking some obscure personal opinion and presenting it as fact, which the op here did. You asked questions that ruffled a few feathers until your real motive... to understand... was seen and understood. Big difference.

It is wonderful that you want to help these guys and protect them in a sense, but I don't think the situations are comparable and will result no matter how they are responded to, as your results came about. Bottom line, you asked... they are telling.

Me, too. He's come along though, hasn't he? He's certainly not the fool he once was.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 3:15:51 PM

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 3:17:48 PM

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Me, too. He's come along though, hasn't he? He's certainly not the fool he once was.

I never was a fool, LP. I know that and you know that. It's just that at one time, I didn't know anything. There is a *big* difference. ;-)

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 3:54:20 PM

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let me put my quarter's worth in here. I serve Households for both men and women....and for 3 months, I was a 24/7. I was also in a BDSM relationship with my spouse for 14 years.

During my 24/7, I was working professionally as a maid with a housecleaning service, and once I made enough to cover my expenses the rest of the summer, I quit. They charged me $270 a montn, and I paid 1/3 or the utility bills. (electric and phone). I was provided a modest room that literally consisted of a large piece of memory foam on the floor, a piece of marble stolen from a construction site as a table, a large candle for a lamp, a small chest of drawers and a swinging light bulb overhead. We had no tv or radio. I was in heaven--to me, it was the Ritz Carlton. I cleaned, cooked, shopped for food, ran errands and helped the Mistress of the House work on her lesbian leather/BDSM 'zine. There was no sex involved--they didn't lay a finger on me the whole summer. Best summer of my life.

When I cooked, cleaned, ran errands, did yardwork, washed cars yadda yadda yadda when I was in a BDSM relationship, I enjoyed doing all of those things because it made her happy, and we both worked full time jobs.
Currently, I clean for two BDSM Households. One is a local professional Domme--we do not exchange anything, no money, no "services." Once a month, I come and clean her house. She's a delightful woman and runs a local ClubFEM chapter, and has been very kind and inclusive towards me. It's my way of saying "thanks." The other Household is a bit different--I drive there as often as I can--usually once a month--it's about 90 minutes away.
He is my Sir, and he enjoys discipline (as do I) and so while I always clean the house and do other chores while I'm there, I'm clearly getting something out of it for my own physical satisfaction.

Neither of them cared if I was currently employed because I showed up on time, did what I was supposed to do, and did a good job. Sir has a spare room and often mentioned that if my situation ever changed with work, he would gladly have me as a live-in.

I've only met one 24/7 live-in slave who did not work outside the home. The Domme has a very successful career, and her boy stays home and takes care of everything. For me, I need more than that--I enjoy holding down a job and bringing in income--but it would certainly be tempting to be a stay at home sub. I'm not actively searching for that however.

The difference I've found is not along gender lines with the master and mistresses--the difference I've found is with the individual sub. If one comes across as a freeloader, it will certainly not win him or her the affections of anyone.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 5:55:38 PM

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This thread is funny ^^

Summersub: you are a very whiny and self-entitled person. your profile has no picture, and lists sexual interests first, with other things a brief afterthought. From reading your posts in this thread it's clear that you're here for sex, and your worldview is very narrow because of that.

People are generally not posting direct counters to your statements because you are making extreme arguments and demanding nothing less than extreme examples of the opposite, which is silly. the truth, as always is a shade of grey and far more moderate than any extreme you attempt to polarise it to.
I hope that one day you finally "get it".

Kevin, i believe is a known troll :p however, taking him at face value, his posts have the undercurrent of someone desperately and poorly trying to justify inconsistent arguments. If you're truly happy to go without sex, why are you only looking to serve a female. You can find plenty of people who will happily get their house cleaned for free, why aren't you busy 24/7 cleaning for everyone who asks?

Little things you let slip though, like hoping that mistress is "appreciative of your efforts". You're looking for a relationship with sex and trying to disguise that because others have challenged you on the point. The overly submissive attitude is quite annoying and grating too, if you really want to serve a woman you could stop satisfying your own submissive fetish by being slavish, and be what she wants you to be, which is most likely confident and sociable :p

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 6:17:33 PM

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This thread is getting old but I do want to respond to some things including the last poster, Nanako. No I don't list my sexual interests first or really at all so I wonder what you read or read into my profile.

You are right I don't post a picture, I guess thats why I don't get many replies. I am not going to be posting a picture anytime soon on the internet.

I don't think I am whiny and if I am at least I am not as ignorant as the people who are denying that most dominant women want a man who makes more than they do. Especially Lady Pact who first said the OP was thinking with his dick, then said in the same post she wants someone well rounded and btw that includes someone with a job and then after all of this someone points out a thread where she said she would never ever date anyone who doesn't have a job. So I am sticking to my position that most women want a man with money and for sure LadyPact does and she said as much when she said she didn't have to financially support a man to get laid. The way I read that is men have to support women to get laid.

Sorry if brining this up repeatedly is being whiny. The only thing I agree with is that people are taken out of context on these message boards, including the fact that I never once mentioned anything about being supported or being a live in and being supported and I don't think the OP did but it was somehow morphed into this thread that he expected to be supported.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 6:20:40 PM

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Anyone who takes Kevin under their roof should have an attorney on retainer. Sooner or later she will need it.

I was thinking more along the lines of liens against their real estate, however, I can go with that.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/5/2011 6:24:35 PM

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Do you have a job, Summersub? If so, how is this a problem for you? You have obviously made up your mind, and are content with the result. Many men come to this board with similar attitudes, and leave very happy with themselves, blissfully untouched by femdom reality. Have you enjoyed your time here?

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