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(1) why do you keep thinking that consent has to be continual the whole way throughout??

(2) When I met Master and agreed to be his slave, I gave consent ONCE. After that it's up to him to do whatever he wants. I can either stay or leave whether I like it or not. Does this mean I'm being abused and it's not consensual? Yeah there are some thing he does that are not consensual but yet it is because I'm still here. I don't enjoy every single thing he does to me but I stay anyway.

(3)Same thing with those who want to be "forced" to drink. They gave their consent when they agreed to get drunk, when they took that first sip. It's not like they didn't know what would happen. They knew exactly right from the start and they stayed and they continued to drink. They're adults, not stupid unless they're complete morons and if that's the case they shouldn't even be dating at all and definitely not in a bdsm context.

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Am I supposed to take the findoms---those who directly profit from the intox lines---at their word, trusting that what they are doing is ethical, but hey, their standards are a big secret so that can't talk about it?

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Think I'm gonna high-jack my own thread. What do you all feel about professional ethics with respect to financial domination? We talk about the ethics of pro-dommes, and D/s relationships all the time.

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Okay, now see you have used a word that bothers me. You have a problem with the "unethical, unsafe practice of either" I should point out that if playing to someones kink for pay is unethical so is rotating some womans tires.

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That's why I keep asking if findoms discuss a pre-agreed upon spending limit.

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That's why I keep asking if findoms discuss a pre-agreed upon spending limit. No one has said, "Yes."

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Why shouldn't you?

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You seem to insist on ignoring that we are dealing with consenting adults.

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ORIGINAL: HisPet21

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Why shouldn't you?

Because it's stupid?

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You seem to insist on ignoring that we are dealing with consenting adults.

You don't seem to understand the difference between consent and informed consent. Consent that is not informed has never been binding in a court of law. If you consent to getting drunk, while sober, that is INFORMED CONSENT. If you consent to giving a findom $1000 over your means, while completely and utterly intoxicated, and are therefore unable to realize that you and your kids will be kicked onto the street if you fork over the cash, that is UNINFORMED consent. You think an IRB board is going to approve of a researcher who acquired signed consent forms after he gets his potential subjects drunk? You are sh*tting me, right?

Any agreed upon spending prior to the actual intox session counts as informed consent. Everything he agrees to after he gets drunk, that he DID NOT agree to before hand, is not.

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

so are you saying that a casino should be liable if the person gambles away all his money while he's drunk??

If so all casinos would be outta business. Do you think it's just a casino being nice to you that they ply you with free drinks while you're gambling??

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Do some findoms ask about what a person can afford and what they can't...yes. Is it a always a pre-agreed upon amount.....no.

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(1) You don't seem to think very much of the brain power of men. (2) You come across as looking for reasons to hate findommes rather than to seek understanding. You come across as wanting to paint them all with the "unethical" brush (presuming guilt instead of innocence). (3) You don't seem to want to place the responsibility on the owner of the wallet.

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so are you saying that a casino should be liable if the person gambles away all his money while he's drunk??

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Do you think it's just a casino being nice to you that they ply you with free drinks while you're gambling??

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we have a stupid finsub and an unethical findom?

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

I'm either going to make someone fall down laughing or get yelled at for this but here goes....

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we have a stupid finsub and an unethical findom?

In answer to the above question. Many men are morons, and many women are manipulative bitchs. Actually in my personal opinion most people fall into one category or the other(gender has nothing to do with it). If that was all you wanted to know you should have asked sooner. I would have been more than happy to tell you.

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

I'm either going to make someone fall down laughing or get yelled at for this but here goes....

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we have a stupid finsub and an unethical findom?

In answer to the above question. Many men are morons, and many women are manipulative bitchs. Actually in my personal opinion most people fall into one category or the other(gender has nothing to do with it). If that was all you wanted to know you should have asked sooner. I would have been more than happy to tell you.

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ORIGINAL: HisPet21


Furthermore, my main beef, as the thread has progressed, has come to be with these intox lines. The lack of open discussion on professional ethics, with respect to these intox lines (or financial domination in general), still disturbs me. Again, I understand that one may need to keep up the persona of the unethical, heartless findom for the sake of one's career, but any other professional would have no problem explaining the ethics of his/her business to me. What is so special about financial domination, that it's an exception to the rule? Why is everyone getting up in arms over my problem with it? Am I supposed to take the findoms---those who directly profit from the intox lines---at their word, trusting that what they are doing is ethical, but hey, their standards are a big secret so that can't talk about it? Sorry, not an idiot.

Think I'm gonna high-jack my own thread. What do you all feel about professional ethics with respect to financial domination? We talk about the ethics of pro-dommes, and D/s relationships all the time. I wanna learn about the ethics of financial domination and the safety precautions, and safety issues, involved...

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ORIGINAL: HisPet21


(3) It is my job not to put myself in dangerous circumstances. But it is also my responsibility not to put other people in dangerous circumstances. Giving findoms permission to take advantage of the naive is to hold findoms to a lesser ethical standard than I hold myself which is, in my opinion, disrespectful and prejudice.

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Now, if only there were a horde of finsubbettes looking for a findom.....

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ORIGINAL: HisPet21

I know, I know...About a thousand findom threads are started each week here on CM's message boards. What's the use in posting another one? I guess I really just want to get some perspective on what finacial domination is, what's in it for the findoms and finsubs, and why it bothers so many people, including myself. When I first started hanging around here, I was vehemently against financial domination. I viewed financial dominants as lazy sleaze bags who suckered the desperate out of their hard earned cash.