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submission is not a game. Dom's are real to an extent most do not understand unless you have lived it hard core in the real world 24/7. do your reserch. to many subs and slave do not take this life seriously or do not have a full understandingof what it is they are doing. they need mentors and others who have been in this lifestyle to educate them as to how things are. yes all are different in allot of ways therefore how you act will be different. but from what i read on here their are allot of fake doms and subs. learn what it truely means to submit and hand over your submission. then you will see what it is.

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ORIGINAL: sweetcheeks01

why does everyone take things out of context. i said this was myhumble opinion and most would nto agree. their real doms even if they are nto hard cord. if you took what i said wrong i am sorry. sometimes i do not phrase things well and it upsets people. reaserch as in learn about the lifestyle. read things talk to people in the community. am i say you and the other posters are not real no i did not you are reading far to much into what i am saying. i do not wish to argue my point of view to each his own i said. most do not think like i do such is live as we live. as far as slave heart and being demanding on my profile. i am a free person and until i am owned i can pick and choose who i want. i have standars and expect nothing less then what i want. i will not take shit from people because i ahve an opinion. to each his own. life is to short argue about things. you know what you want i know what i want. you look for things you way i look for things my way. i have been in the local community for a while now with many people who have 20 plus years experiance in this life style. i do not tell anyone to follow what i say only offer suggestions to people to help them on their jurney of learning and life. if everyone took what i said the wrong way i am sorry. this is why i do not post in these things. people do dont understand others points fo view but put them down for expressing their feeling or beliefs. to each his own sorry i gave my humble opinion int he matter i will stay out of discussions from now on. i will not replay to any comments made about my post. life is to short . which you all the best in your journey and life. all in this girls humble opinion

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Is it? And how did you come across this information? Source?

Solely by I have never met or spoken to a dom that does not expect the basic kneeling.

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if you took what i said wrong i am sorry. sometimes i do not phrase things well and it upsets people.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
I kneel to suck cock but that's ergonomics, not BDSM. No one has wanted me to kneel for the sake of kneeling. I wouldn't consider that humiliation. I don't do humiliation.

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ORIGINAL: sweetcheeks01

in this girls humble opinion.

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
I kneel to suck cock but that's ergonomics, not BDSM. No one has wanted me to kneel for the sake of kneeling. I wouldn't consider that humiliation. I don't do humiliation.

I let her original comment pass because I don't really see myself as a poster child for "regular BDSM dominant". But yeah... all of what you wrote. For me, I dont' really get the humiliation aspect. I see kneeling as a gesture of respect. I myself do not feel humiliated when I respect another person. Actually, that feeling more empowers me than humiliates me. If I'm in some social setting where a good kneel will communicate the respect properly I see it as no different than a hand shake or any other such gesture.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I agree with most of the others. I don't see it as a gift. I see it as a choice and if you find someone to share it with, you are lucky.

Gift of submission? Nah, no one is that special.

It is a pity that someone you choose to share your life with doesn't make you feel special

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
I don't see such things as humiliating, but as *expressing humility*. Not the same thing at all.

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ORIGINAL: Timonat

Gift of submission? Nah, no one is that special.

Right, no one is special simply because they are into BDSM.

Meaning, she herself does not feel, or is not made feel, to be special. which is a pity.

I never said a word about not feeling special or being made not to feel special, in fact, I am special whether or not I am with someone, whether I am into BDSM, vanilla or clowns. I was born special. So reserve your pity for yourself, who apparently is lacking not only in reading comprehension skills, but also life experience.

The fundamentals of love is for someone to make you feel valued (as in the mature submissive thread all the people said - they want to be judged by their qualities, not their age - i.e, their quaities are special, jesus!)

What would you know about the fundamentals of love other than what you read in books? What does this have to do with anything? Your qualities and lack of having nothing to do with the "gift of submission". Your point is lost.

Who in their right mind would be in loving relationship with someone who made them feel like shit??

Who indeed? I do not recall my post saying that I was against the words "gift of submission" because I think people should be in relationships that make them feel like shit.

OK, counter question, who of you would like if you went to your Dom, and and asked if I am in any way special to you, and hear this reply. "No, you are just like any other person on the street to me, if you died tomorrow I could just replace you with the next person I bump into on the street.

Stupid question and has nothing to do with the topic. Being valued by your partner still does not nor ever will make the gift of submission a legitimate phrase to me. Oh, and you know some people do like that cold dynamic, it works for THEM, see? The world does not revolve around your limited view of it.

Am I seriously here "defending" that being made to feel valued/special is not just just desirable but a fundamental aspect of love??

You cannot defend what you have said here because you have taken comments made by me and reinterpreted them to suit your bland argument, as you have done before.

You should start a new thread on what the "fundamental aspects of love" mean to people.
And grow up, will you?

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ORIGINAL: sweetcheeks01
people do dont understand others points fo view but put them down for expressing their feeling or beliefs.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
My reaction would be "stop being pretentious", something you want to do for yourself is not a gift, you don't consider the money you give pay for a pint a gift, you want the pint, I don't consider cooking a nice meal a gift, because I do like cooking, it's for my own pleasure.