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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 8:29:40 PM

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Beyond that, I think its simpler for them to do as they are now, lock the thread until t hey can review it.

We will have to disagree... this ruins the thread...very seldom do we come back after a lockout and continue on as before...And often the thread just disappears never to be resurrected.

We can do better with some innovation and a little constructive change.

Butch

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 8:29:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I dont think we will ever have solutions for every problem.

For sure, tazzy. Human nature won't allow for it.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 8:31:47 PM

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For sure, tazzy. Human nature won't allow for it.

I agree but I believe this problem can be addressed as I've stated... Or another way but it is very important to the site that this problem be addressed and 50 plus pages suggest and frankly demand that it be.

Butch

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 8:40:04 PM

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You believe that is why this thread is 50 pages long?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 8:46:38 PM

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I think it does show a dissatisfaction with the way threads are moderated. Some are claiming this dissatisfaction is the reason many long-term posters have left the site.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 8:53:45 PM

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People leave sites for various reasons. I am sure some did leave for that reason... others left for other reasons. If you run a company, you listen to your employees, but you allow only so many changes. Make no mistake... this is a business. Legalities and such will rule out over wants and complaints every time.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 8:56:08 PM

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Sure, but calling someone a dickwad has nothing to do with legalities.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 8:59:12 PM

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this is a business. Legalities and such will rule out over wants and complaints every time.

Legalities yes... and we are not discussing them... as for complaints and wants...business do pay attention if they want to be healthy and have longevity.

Well off to bed …you all have a good night.

Butch

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 9:20:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

The whole idea is to keep the threads alive…punish those guilty of breaking tos…with as little interruption as possible.

Butch

Which TOS, the written one or the made up one that changes by whim?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 9:21:40 PM

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Sure, but calling someone a dickwad has nothing to do with legalities.

Technically....

7.3.1. Unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, invasive of another's privacy or right to publicity, or harmful to minors in any way, shape, or form;

Im not saying I argue with your position.. some people just need thicker skins... but.. as far as legalities go....

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 9:33:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
No thread need be locked…no information lost.

Butch

Hi Butch. How have you been?

There is a problem with your theory. How would someone possibly keep up with a thread that was open when a bunch of people are posting to it faster than it could be cleaned (meaning remove problem posts)? If somebody puts up a post that absolutely can't stay, the ball has begun rolling. Once something takes off like wildfire, how would the Moderator ever be able to keep up?

I really don't mind a temporary lock of a thread for the purpose of removing content for violations. If leaving a thread open is the equivalent of ten people throwing a ball at the same time to a Mod at the same time saying "catch" then no person can possibly keep up with it while new posts are coming in. What you're proposing is more like the snowball effect.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 9:34:50 PM

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A separate post, just in case.....

Hey, tazzy. Would you get Me a link to the final edition of the T&A show? I'd like it for an example of a thread gone wild.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 9:35:53 PM

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T&A? Im lost... lol

A little more info and Im sure I can find it.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 9:52:02 PM

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Mail. You'll laugh when you make the connection.

Maybe try keyword dishwasher.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 9:58:40 PM

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lol... my blonde moment....

It has got to be this one...

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3742544

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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:09:54 PM

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That's it.

There's no way on this planet that anybody could tell Me that they could have kept up with that thread as posts were coming in being a Mod. Granted, it's the extreme example, but it's valid.

That thing I said to Orion about three worthwhile swats a year? Well, what a case in point. The thread is fifty-six pages long. Heaven knows how many posts crossed the line and had to be removed.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:19:29 PM

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It was an absolute mess, for sure. So was the arpig/house of hannah one. They pulled and pulled and pulled for the few days it was up...its a wonder the servers didnt crash, posts were coming in so fast... most of which were in violation. I know many of those threads vanished.. in fact, I think they are all gone now from their "final" days.

And we had the Fuck You thread...

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3879906

And I cant remember how many thread's that "crew" got closed down and deleted.

< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 1/9/2013 10:20:09 PM >

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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:30:25 PM

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If you want to start your own site where personal attacks are permitted, do so. I'd be interested in seeing how many people you get to join.

If the layout was decent, it was cheap or free, and there were reasonably intelligent posters with interesting topics to discuss........I'd join in a heartbeat.

Personal attacks, unless physical, and especially by random people via the net, don't phase me.

This. Same here. Then again, I also agree with LT's previous post about your measure of investment in a site like this. Mine is equal to LT's so all this stuff going on here just makes me laugh. It's funny. Why would I wanna come here after a hard day only to have to feel like I'm back at work or fighting with my kid or neighbor or whoever? This is a place for me to relax after work and just do silly, funny stuff and laughing at all the silliness.

It's like a hard week at work, you turn on the tv to watch some mind numbing, stupid movie like Dumb and Dumber. Yeah, it's stupid, not really all that funny...just stupid, but you don't have to think about it either. I don't have to engage my brain. That's basically how I see this place and everywhere else online that I frequent, except when I read the newspaper online or have to research for my college classes and such. This place ain't that.

And even though I never, ever agree with descrite, I do agree with him on his post about no moderation. In such cases where the courts agreed with no moderation, it's because if you don't see it you can't be responsible for it.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:31:25 PM

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I agree with NV. Saying that you're a sadist doesn't mean you can go around assaulting anyone you want.

That would be relevant if the posting of a missive in a thread was an imposition which could not be avoided. However it isn't. One can simply skip over the offending post or hide the user in question.

This thread contains a bunch of utter fucking nonsense which skips around the real issue and hides behind legalistic bullshit.

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The issue of consent is important. If NV, or I, or anyone else doesn't want to get smacked by you, and you do it anyway, in real life we call the cops. Online, that's the mods job.

Nobody's getting smacked. It's a discussion and there's absolutely no reason - none - for one group to arbitrarily specify how, not just that discussion, but all discussions proceed.

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Just because you're a sadist Hilly, doesn't mean you want to be attacked by others. And the more that kind of behavior is tolerated, the more people stop posting.

Bullshit. P&R was a flame-fest and was more active than the rest of the boards put together.

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Which leads the site to die.

The site dies when nobody can debate without someone trying to impose censorship and their own personal standards of behaviour.

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And since it's a privately owned site which is trying to make money, obviously they don't want that.

Honestly... they don't give a shit. The message boards are more trouble than they're worth and their only value is to draw in the curious newbies. They give the illusion of community and so provide the search engines something to grab onto. That's all we really are to the site owners - content generators for the google indexer.

The problem here is not about standards of civility or any other such nonsense. It's about one vocal minority of regulars trying to assert control over the rest of us. Their method of asserting control is to consistently cry to momma every single time someone doesn't follow their self-imposed idea of how discourse should be conducted. It's a sickening display of political correctness - stunningly ironic in a community which flourishes outside mainstreams notions of what is permissible.

The trouble is they're friends with the moderators and so the moderators randomly make up rules to try and satisfy the controlling urges of their net-friends. Their idea of moderating the boards is to respond every time a critical mass of these fucktards complains in unison.

THAT is why these boards are dying. Because the foundation upon which any notion of BDSM community is built - the ability to express yourself in the way you see fit - is stomped on by clueless moderators with no idea of how a thriving community operates.

This place is stale. Debate is stifled and one-true-wayism is shoved down the throats of anyone who dares to present an opinion contrary to the moderators' little net-friends. All of these idiotic suggestions will fail because they're founded upon the ludicrous idea that this current level of excessive moderation is wrong in its implementation, rather than acknowledging the simple reality that it's utterly misguided in intent.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:32:38 PM

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Make no mistake, CM is not a business. It is an online community. An online community is a huge organism with perhaps, or perhaps not, a business root. CM now has a membership/advertising business root, but did not originate that way for a long long time. Even its current business invention, remains extremely distant from the matters and means of discussion forums. The accountability flow chart, linking volunteer moderators way back to owners, is mystical, if it exists at all. The same can be said of the vetting process for moderators. If there were a link, it would raise home sweatshop questions under the US Fair Labor Standards Act, whether unpaid workers can serve profit-making owners. The concept of an online community presumably gets organisms like CM around this. US Supreme Court has never ruled on it.

Without a governing board, the way you determine what does drives a particular organism, CM for instance, is to watch how it reacts over time. Then we clearly see that CM is driven very little by legalities or rules at all. It tends to be very lax about even its own rules. Especially when enforcing them would hamper whole sections of its membership/advertising audience.

Examples abound of laxity on its own rules for the sake of membership. One of the easiest to understand is the conflict between the red banner across the top of the CM mail page and the frequent threads on findommes. The banner says never send payments to other members. Simultaneously, the findomme thread functions as a thinly veiled advertisement that findommes are well and functioning on CM.

We are members of this decentralized asylum. And perhaps fitting that one of our most active participants, jokingly subtitles herself as the nurse name from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Peace be with you.

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