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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 10:44:39 AM

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I was just thinking about a poster... who remain nameless.. who needs his nuts tightened a bit right now

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 10:53:33 AM

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People leave sites for various reasons. I am sure some did leave for that reason... others left for other reasons. If you run a company, you listen to your employees, but you allow only so many changes. Make no mistake... this is a business. Legalities and such will rule out over wants and complaints every time.

I can't recall any time I was more than very slightly annoyed with the moderation here. So no, moderation has never been a reason for me. Usually for me it's simply a question of "fit" although that "no touch" thread did have me wondering about "too batshit crazy to associate with".

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 10:56:36 AM

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I was just thinking about a poster... who remain nameless.. who needs his nuts tightened a bit right now

Sadist.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 11:00:29 AM

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Im.... ummm.. being pushed to explore

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 11:12:26 AM

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For fuck's sake get a room.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 11:14:32 AM

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We got one... right here

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 1:05:56 PM

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There is a problem with your theory. How would someone possibly keep up with a thread that was open when a bunch of people are posting to it faster than it could be cleaned (meaning remove problem posts)? If somebody puts up a post that absolutely can't stay, the ball has begun rolling. Once something takes off like wildfire, how would the Moderator ever be able to keep up?

I really do not see a problem... Usually when a thread goes bad it is one or two posters starting it. If their ability to post is temporarily stopped then there, most likely anyway, will not be a problem moderating the thread. Having it in the IN Moderation forum though will give the mods time to remove some still showing posts that could be offensive if left open in the regular forums, but still allow the thread to continue.

Just as now there will always be exceptions but perhaps it will at least stop good threads from disappearing after a lot of effort is put into them.

If as you say the thread is just suspended for a short time OK but sometimes the thread is never seen again or by the time it is reinstated interest has moved on to newer things.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 1:13:49 PM

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OH, JESUS!!!!! COLLARME DECLINED SOME MORE!!!!!!!

Never mind, my monitor tipped over, or am I the only one?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 1:14:23 PM

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tazzygirl asks: << How can CM be responsible for paypiggiebecausehecantgetoffalone going to paypal to send MissHotButNotDomme money? However, I have witnessed that accounts with price lists, have such lists wiped out. >>

1. With all respect tazzy, you've already answered yourself. IF CM can wipe out something for price lists, it could damn well, suspend profiles for suggesting or welcoming any tribute or such. The denominations of compensation are irrelevant. As you have claimed prior in this thread, administrators have boatloads of authority. Its not a question of administrative authority, but a question of administrative will.

2. Yet there's a deeper, more complex response. If I'm not mistaken, Hill has been knocking himself out trying to get it across. When CM does not police its own written standards, as you have just said --- then SOMETIMES it leads members to shame violators directly. When this happens, Hill says (& I've seen it too) mods take the side of the shamed TOS violator, instead of taking the side of those doing the policing. Mods then go out of their way to curb those doing the shaming, by ratcheting up their perceived concern for Civility. When those doing the shaming are too clever to be uncivil, the mods resort to a charge of Drawing Negative Attention to the recipient. This mod sophistry is completely egregious.

3. For mods to accomplish this, not only must they switch away from the side of justice regarding CMs own TOS. They further find it necessary to, as Hill says, make up loose unwritten rules, to trump the higher written ones they are not enforcing. The one I have listed above is a CLASSIC example of a mod-made, gold-delivered, unwritten rule: Thou shalt not Draw Negative Attention to a member. Wow! Holly shit! Hellllo God!

4. Doesn't matter whether there's some vague limitless authority granted to administrators in some myriad text, because it's still incumbent on mods NOT to exercise that authority arbitrarily or capriciously or unjustly or in a spirit actually against the TOS themselves. This is one of the principles we've been handed down from the Magna Carta. Powers are held accountable to their own written rules. (Also believe embodied in the US Federal Code Article 78 CPLR.)

It only makes sense that Hill's Rooster/Chicken is correct in claiming Fowl, LOL.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 1:18:30 PM

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I like playing with my bone as long as someone has the other end...

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 1:32:12 PM

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tazzygirl asks: << How can CM be responsible for paypiggiebecausehecantgetoffalone going to paypal to send MissHotButNotDomme money? However, I have witnessed that accounts with price lists, have such lists wiped out. >>

1. With all respect tazzy, you've already answered yourself. IF CM can wipe out something for price lists, it could damn well, suspend profiles for suggesting or welcoming any tribute or such. The denominations of compensation are irrelevant. As you have claimed prior in this thread, administrators have boatloads of authority. Its not a question of administrative authority, but a question of administrative will.

And then they make a new one. Your point?

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2. Yet there's a deeper, more complex response. If I'm not mistaken, Hill has been knocking himself out trying to get it across. When CM does not police its own written standards, as you have just said --- then SOMETIMES it leads members to shame violators directly. When this happens, Hill says (& I've seen it too) mods take the side of the shamed TOS violator, instead of taking the side of those doing the policing. Mods then go out of their way to curb those doing the shaming, by ratcheting up their perceived concern for Civility. When those doing the shaming are too clever to be uncivil, the mods resort to a charge of Drawing Negative Attention to the recipient. This mod sophistry is completely egregious.

And often such posts go unreported. Many have indicated they dont bother to report, which then brings the Admins in.

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3. For mods to accomplish this, not only must they switch away from the side of justice regarding CMs own TOS. They further find it necessary to, as Hill says, make up loose unwritten rules, to trump the higher written ones they are not enforcing. The one I have listed above is a CLASSIC example of a mod-made, gold-delivered, unwritten rule: Thou shalt not Draw Negative Attention to a member. Wow! Holly shit! Hellllo God!

And I posted in TOS exactly where that specific rule is written

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4. Doesn't matter whether there's some vague limitless authority granted to administrators in some myriad text, because it's still incumbent on mods NOT to exercise that authority arbitrarily or capriciously or unjustly or in a spirit actually against the TOS themselves. This is one of the principles we've been handed down from the Magna Carta. Powers are held accountable to their own written rules. (Also believe embodied in the US Federal Code Article 78 CPLR.)

Attacking other members is not a capricious rule. Again, the TOS against this was posted. I have seen it used pretty consistently. Always? no. But usually if an attack is made, the post goes bye bye... IF its reported.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 1:35:15 PM

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Attacking other members is not a capricious rule.

It is when some posters can do so with impunity, and others get suspended for it.
Any rule that is not applied universally is capricious.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 1:36:21 PM

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Attacking other members is not a capricious rule.

It is when some posters can do so with impunity, and others get suspended for it.
Any rule that is not applied universally is capricious.

That I agree with. How do I sign up for that?

All I know is that I posted a vicious attack against a poster and got a 2 week vacation for it. I am not complaining about that, I earned it. The attack didnt stay up long. I do not now, nor then, have any problems with what I posted. I took my time and went about my business.

How many people have you seen post they do not file reports, they just roll their eyes and go on their merry way?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 1:52:58 PM

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I've seen a few who seem to have a get out of jail free card for that, but if I go naming any names, I'll be getting gold framed pms and a six month ban myself...

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 1:54:13 PM

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Possibly the same few I have noticed. But, that doesnt excuse me from doing it as well. Yes, I dance that line, sometimes really hard. But many do.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 1:55:34 PM

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I've seen a few who seem to have a get out of jail free card for that, but if I go naming any names, I'll be getting gold framed pms and a six month ban myself...

Yeah, I see the problem. But since I'm curious I'll go ahead and toss my name in the ring. Insofar as I recall I haven't been banned for any period of time and I've received a pretty small number of gold bordered nastigrams. So to my question... am I one of those posters that you feel gets a pass? Allegedly I'm one of the "inside clique" -- at least in some people's eyes.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 2:17:32 PM

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No, you're not one of those who appear to have a free pass and/or a mod in their pocket.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 2:43:26 PM

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Is it I, Lord? Is it I?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 3:29:42 PM

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Ron, you've been on time out before, but it's been awhile, I think.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 3:41:00 PM

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Maybe another fuckyou thread, see who gets pulled and not.

Incidentally, anyone know if the "you rule" applies to second person singular, second person plural, fourth person singular, some combination, or all of the above?

ETA: And whose bright idea was it to make three different pronouns homonymic anyway?

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< Message edited by Aswad -- 1/10/2013 3:45:14 PM >

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