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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:42:13 PM   
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Make no mistake, CM is not a business. It is an online community. An online community is a huge organism with perhaps, or perhaps not, a business root. CM now has a membership/advertising business root, but did not originate that way for a long long time. Even its current business invention, remains extremely distant from the matters and means of discussion forums. The accountability flow chart, linking volunteer moderators way back to owners, is mystical, if it exists at all. The same can be said of the vetting process for moderators. If there were a link, it would raise home sweatshop questions under the US Fair Labor Standards Act, whether unpaid workers can serve profit-making owners. The concept of an online community presumably gets organisms like CM around this. US Supreme Court has never ruled on it.


Its a business in that the owners arent doing this for nothing... of course there is money put into it.. and money coming out of it, as well as retainers for Lawyers. Breaking even is the goal.

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Examples abound of laxity on its own rules for the sake of membership. One of the easiest to understand is the conflict between the red banner across the top of the CM mail page and the frequent threads on findommes. The banner says never send payments to other members. Simultaneously, the findomme thread functions as a thinly veiled advertisement that findommes are well and functioning on CM.


And yet there is no way to send a payment for any service via CM. They use other means for that. How can CM be responsible in any way for paypiggiebecausehecantgetoffalone going to paypal to send MissHotButNotDomme money?

However, I have witnessed accounts with price lists have such lists wiped out.

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We are members of this decentralized asylum. And perhaps fitting that one of our most active participants, jokingly subtitles herself as the nurse name from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Peace be with you.


Too bad you have no clue where that subtitle originated from.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:45:56 PM   
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I had My own fits at the revealing of that mess. I admit that I really was angry. Yes, even just because of pixels on a screen.

Even if one distances themselves from, what we shall call 'mistakes' in policy, members still remember them. If we are talking about the atmosphere of CM, said mistakes must be taken into account. If we do not, we have consigned ourselves to the thought process of "those who forget history are damned to repeat it". This does not mean being critical of such mistakes. It only means that we have not pushed them into the areas of which we can not speak. It is greatly unfortunate that not everyone understands the difference.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:49:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Extravagasm

Make no mistake, CM is not a business.

Make no mistake . CM and CC absolutely are a business. How else does it survive?


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:51:57 PM   
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Many had fits... many drew lines... there were a lot of hard feelings over that whole event. Some even left for good. Some still hold grudges. Some could not believe they were so taken in... some were angry that others couldnt see the forest for the trees.

That was a bad time for many of us. Since then, things have calmed down greatly. So when I hear criticisms, its that time I remember, and I cant help but think.... you want that again?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:54:50 PM   
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I think the whole fiasco was great because it really showed the other side of people that you had never seen before on here. It really made you see them in a totally different light.


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/9/2013 10:56:22 PM   
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It definitely brought to light how someone could easily deceive so many.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 3:03:52 AM   
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does how you react to that lot show your level of care, or emotional investment into the site then? only i don't even ever think of the Hannah/arpig stuff. yes i responded to names on the screen as though they were individual people, but i also read some of 'their' stuff and though 'yeah right, bullshit'. for someone that spends alot of my late nighs here i missed what finally set off the outting of it all. one mo they were all here, the next gone. did i care? no, and i still don't. maybe it's because i found the Hannah persona to be so crass that i mostly skimmed whenever i saw the name. i had had debates with Arpig, but in the end i had backed right off what i originally thought about him when i first joined the site. i just didn't get that emotionally involved because i didn't like their style.

so i never hit the report button. if i didn't like what i saw i rolled my eyes and moved on. i've done that within this thread too where people are going back and forth over some detail i'm not interested in. however, i've still managed to keep up with the thread just fine. i don't see why others can't just do the same.

there are a few 'people' on this site that i read and think 'yeah, i'd like to meet them' and unfortunately that number is smaller than it should be because alot of those i've thought that about have left. most of those have commented on the reasons why before going, and it hasn't been for real life reasons. there are others that disappear, and i don't notice for ages that they are gone. they are the people i don't like, and i don't notice they are gone because i'm mostly already skimming their posts. it's really easy to do and i don't get why others can't just do the same. that way you don't get offened on someone else's behalf and feel like you need to hit the report button, thus potentially spoiling what someone else may actually want to read. you also can't get offened if you are conversing with that person because you chose to do it when you could just have ignored them. again stay away from the report button because you helped make the situation, and again others could lose out on a thread that you chose to take part in.

it really takes no energy to do.

needles

eta my bolded part is meant generically

< Message edited by needlesandpins -- 1/10/2013 3:05:09 AM >


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 3:56:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TAFKAA


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I agree with NV. Saying that you're a sadist doesn't mean you can go around assaulting anyone you want.
That would be relevant if the posting of a missive in a thread was an imposition which could not be avoided. However it isn't. One can simply skip over the offending post or hide the user in question.

This thread contains a bunch of utter fucking nonsense which skips around the real issue and hides behind legalistic bullshit.

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The issue of consent is important. If NV, or I, or anyone else doesn't want to get smacked by you, and you do it anyway, in real life we call the cops. Online, that's the mods job.
Nobody's getting smacked. It's a discussion and there's absolutely no reason - none - for one group to arbitrarily specify how, not just that discussion, but all discussions proceed.

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Just because you're a sadist Hilly, doesn't mean you want to be attacked by others. And the more that kind of behavior is tolerated, the more people stop posting.
Bullshit. P&R was a flame-fest and was more active than the rest of the boards put together.

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Which leads the site to die.
The site dies when nobody can debate without someone trying to impose censorship and their own personal standards of behaviour.

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And since it's a privately owned site which is trying to make money, obviously they don't want that.
Honestly... they don't give a shit. The message boards are more trouble than they're worth and their only value is to draw in the curious newbies. They give the illusion of community and so provide the search engines something to grab onto. That's all we really are to the site owners - content generators for the google indexer.

The problem here is not about standards of civility or any other such nonsense. It's about one vocal minority of regulars trying to assert control over the rest of us. Their method of asserting control is to consistently cry to momma every single time someone doesn't follow their self-imposed idea of how discourse should be conducted. It's a sickening display of political correctness - stunningly ironic in a community which flourishes outside mainstreams notions of what is permissible.

The trouble is they're friends with the moderators and so the moderators randomly make up rules to try and satisfy the controlling urges of their net-friends. Their idea of moderating the boards is to respond every time a critical mass of these fucktards complains in unison.

THAT is why these boards are dying. Because the foundation upon which any notion of BDSM community is built - the ability to express yourself in the way you see fit - is stomped on by clueless moderators with no idea of how a thriving community operates.

This place is stale. Debate is stifled and one-true-wayism is shoved down the throats of anyone who dares to present an opinion contrary to the moderators' little net-friends. All of these idiotic suggestions will fail because they're founded upon the ludicrous idea that this current level of excessive moderation is wrong in its implementation, rather than acknowledging the simple reality that it's utterly misguided in intent.


All I can say in catching up...

The fact that this thread is as long as it is and the bulk of complaint is about moderation

The fact that I actually agree with the bulk of this poster's comments on THIS thread

The fact that this has been possibly one of the most active threads on the site and likely thee most outside of some p&r bullshit I've not paid attention to

Noooooooooooo..........there's nothing wrong with the way things are being run now!!!

Regardless of what anyone says, it is a business. A business that is suffering the same thing the one I work for has for nearly a decade. The company I work for, the owner, never listens either. Just makes excuses as to why change is not possible. Hasn't continued to grow as the customers needs change. Right now, sales figures are HALF what they were when I started in 2001. My last day there is February 1.

If this company, Collarchat, doesn't adapt, if the excuse for lack of change is as I've read, too expensive, not enough moderators, etc etc etc.......then they are not managing their business properly and that business will fail. Guaranteed. I am sorry, but lack of personnel and lack of funds is not a valid excuse. Either you run your business properly, by meeting the demands of your clients, or give up, sell, close down.

And OceanSide.........apparently we are just supposed to give them all lollies and pats on the head. Regardless.


< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 1/10/2013 4:22:34 AM >


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 7:40:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Extravagasm

We are members of this decentralized asylum. And perhaps fitting that one of our most active participants, jokingly subtitles herself as the nurse name from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Peace be with you.

That was actually my idea and the Mods thought it was cute so they stuck it there. It was not Tazzy's idea at all. In fact, I seem to recall she wasn't exactly in love with the idea but it stuck.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 7:49:13 AM   
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Too bad too, as a spelling nazi, it is actually Nurse Ratched.  Evidence of the further decline of CM.

Jus' sayin' 

Jack Nicholson 

< Message edited by mnottertail -- 1/10/2013 7:50:17 AM >


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 7:57:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Too bad too, as a spelling nazi, it is actually Nurse Ratched.  Evidence of the further decline of CM.

Jus' sayin' 

Jack Nicholson 

We had that discussion. I suggested that "Ratchet" was more ummmm appropriate.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 8:14:16 AM   
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It may well be more appropriate, but it's still wrong.
Just imagine the shitfit the Randians would throw if somebody had "John Guilt" as their title...

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 8:16:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Extravagasm

We are members of this decentralized asylum. And perhaps fitting that one of our most active participants, jokingly subtitles herself as the nurse name from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Peace be with you.

That was actually my idea and the Mods thought it was cute so they stuck it there. It was not Tazzy's idea at all. In fact, I seem to recall she wasn't exactly in love with the idea but it stuck.


lol... it grew on me... for obvious reasons.. possibly unknown to you as well. It was pointed out just what rachet meant in online slang... never knew till then just how you viewed me... others... yes... you... no.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 8:19:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Extravagasm

We are members of this decentralized asylum. And perhaps fitting that one of our most active participants, jokingly subtitles herself as the nurse name from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Peace be with you.

That was actually my idea and the Mods thought it was cute so they stuck it there. It was not Tazzy's idea at all. In fact, I seem to recall she wasn't exactly in love with the idea but it stuck.


lol... it grew on me... for obvious reasons.. possibly unknown to you as well. It was pointed out just what rachet meant in online slang... never knew till then just how you viewed me... others... yes... you... no.

I was referring to the actual tool.....it torques things tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter..........................

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 8:38:51 AM   
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The tool that's only got the one "t" in its name, you mean?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 8:43:03 AM   
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I was referring to the actual tool.....it torques things tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter..........................


grins... thats the definition I prefer to think of when I see it up there. I do seem to have that effect when I debate.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 9:36:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I was referring to the actual tool.....it torques things tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter..........................
Congratulations! You have managed to get My mind in the gutter before 9:00 AM My time.

(No offense, tazzy.)


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 9:37:39 AM   
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Of course the word tool only has one 't'.  What is so filthy about that?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 10:20:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I was referring to the actual tool.....it torques things tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter..........................
Congratulations! You have managed to get My mind in the gutter before 9:00 AM My time.

(No offense, tazzy.)



grins... no offence taken!

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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/10/2013 10:26:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I was referring to the actual tool.....it torques things tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter..........................
Congratulations! You have managed to get My mind in the gutter before 9:00 AM My time.

(No offense, tazzy.)



grins... no offence taken!

Offense hell!!!!! You shoulda taken it as a compliment.

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