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Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict

Zimmerman will be acquited, and justice will have been served

34% (12)

Zimmerman will be aquitted, but justice will not have been served.

17% (6)

Zimmerman will be rightfully convicted.

14% (5)

Zimmerman will be wrongfully convicted.

2% (1)

I can't predict the verdict, but I feel Zimmerman is innocent.

14% (5)

I can't predict the verdict, but I feel Zimmerman is guilty

17% (6)

Total Votes : 35

(last vote on : 7/4/2013 5:06:15 PM)
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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:21:17 PM

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Can some explain how Zimmerman can claim the stand your ground law and self defense without testifying? Is not the burden of proof on him here? (It's an affirmative defense.)

A he is not claiming SYG
B the state has to prove it was not self defense, innocent until proven guilty, remember.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:29:28 PM

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well the injuries to Z's head, regardless of wether you content they were serious enough to be life threathening or not, have to be explained SOMEHOW! from a medical point of view

Zimmerman got punched once, fell down, got mad and shot Martin.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:33:19 PM

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I guess DomKen has my posts on Hide...

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:37:04 PM

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Can some explain how Zimmerman can claim the stand your ground law and self defense without testifying? Is not the burden of proof on him here? (It's an affirmative defense.)

Zimmerman abandoned the SYG claim, if he made it that would have required a pre trial hearing and if the judge found for him the case would have been dismissed. Experts on the Florida law say he would lose the claim because he follower Martin rather than Martin entering an area he was in.

Florida appellate decisions seem to have redefined self defense so that it is no longer an affirmative defense. I've been trying to get a lawyer in the Florida bar to confirm that and haven't been able to. The idea does strike me as highly absurd.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:37:19 PM

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No, That is what most white people who have no contact with blacks who speak in dialect thought. The rest of us saw a pretty average, if not too bright, girl.

Again...intriguing. I'm white and have frequent contact with people of many ethnic backgrounds, mostly black. And even they'd agree she sounded like uneducated trash...or a liar.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:39:28 PM

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The only thing suspicious about Martin according to Zimmerman was that he was black unless you really believe simply walking slowly and looking around is somehow inherently criminally suspicious.

When asked what race Martin was he responded that is not profiling.
Cracker on the other hand is.

He decided he was suspicious for some reason. none was given. The conclusion is fairly obvious.

He did it was Martin's actions. I see you do not choose to comment on Martin's blatant racism.

Walking and looking around is criminally suspicious? You can't really be trying to claim that.

As to Martin, his opinion of the apparent skinhead following him is irrelevant.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:40:41 PM

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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight little boy blew... I dont care what this thread, or this case, is about.... I was addressing the stupidity of your post.

Well, little gash green, you can stop. You're only making yourself look more idiotic.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:41:19 PM

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No, That is what most white people who have no contact with blacks who speak in dialect thought. The rest of us saw a pretty average, if not too bright, girl.

Again...intriguing. I'm white and have frequent contact with people of many ethnic backgrounds, mostly black. And even they'd agree she sounded like uneducated trash...or a liar.

She speaks 3 languages, English being her most recently picked up, how many do you speak and how fluent are you in the one you started learning, on the street, a couple of years ago?

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:42:56 PM

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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight little boy blew... I dont care what this thread, or this case, is about.... I was addressing the stupidity of your post.

Well, little gash green, you can stop. You're only making yourself look more idiotic.

Keep underestimating me, darlin. I enjoy that.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:43:24 PM

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well the injuries to Z's head, regardless of wether you content they were serious enough to be life threathening or not, have to be explained SOMEHOW! from a medical point of view

Zimmerman got punched once, fell down, got mad and shot Martin.

well that is an explination, I have to admit that, now if you only had a single shred of evidence to support it...

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:52:05 PM

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She speaks 3 languages, English being her most recently picked up, how many do you speak and how fluent are you in the one you started learning, on the street, a couple of years ago?

Doesn't matter. I know enough to know what is and is not a racial slur. As should she.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 9:52:20 PM

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Keep underestimating me, darlin. I enjoy that.

Trust me, sweetie, I am not underestimating your capacity for stupidity at all. I'm more than familiar with your lack of intelligence. But when I'm bored, I can find some stupidity entertaining. It's why I haven't blocked you yet.

Oh please, do continue. I know you can do better than that.

Or maybe that was your best shot... which.. if it was.. its completely lacking.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 10:02:57 PM

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Walking and looking around is criminally suspicious? You can't really be trying to claim that.

As to Martin, his opinion of the apparent skinhead following him is irrelevant.

1 Depends if he is looking at doorways and windows it can be.

2. Answering when asked what race Martin was means that Zimmerman attacked Martin but Martin's blatant racism doesn't mean Martin could be the attacker?

There is a flaw in your logic.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/4/2013 10:05:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

well the injuries to Z's head, regardless of wether you content they were serious enough to be life threathening or not, have to be explained SOMEHOW! from a medical point of view

Zimmerman got punched once, fell down, got mad and shot Martin.

well that is an explination, I have to admit that, now if you only had a single shred of evidence to support it...

And didn't have the only eyewitness who saw Martin on top beating Zimmerman.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/5/2013 12:22:56 AM

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well the injuries to Z's head, regardless of wether you content they were serious enough to be life threathening or not, have to be explained SOMEHOW! from a medical point of view

Zimmerman got punched once, fell down, got mad and shot Martin.

Must have been some weird gravity flux to cause George to suddenly fall over and over leaving a dozenish bumps and bruises on all sides of his head.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/5/2013 12:37:00 AM

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well the injuries to Z's head, regardless of wether you content they were serious enough to be life threathening or not, have to be explained SOMEHOW! from a medical point of view

Zimmerman got punched once, fell down, got mad and shot Martin.

Must have been some weird gravity flux to cause George to suddenly fall over and over leaving a dozenish bumps and bruises on all sides of his head.

Whatever it takes to make Zimmerman guilty.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/5/2013 2:30:45 AM

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Whatever it takes to make Zimmerman guilty.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!

K.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/5/2013 3:06:41 AM

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well the injuries to Z's head, regardless of wether you content they were serious enough to be life threathening or not, have to be explained SOMEHOW! from a medical point of view

Zimmerman got punched once, fell down, got mad and shot Martin.

well that is an explination, I have to admit that, now if you only had a single shred of evidence to support it...

It fits all the physical evidence better than Zimmerman's claims.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/5/2013 3:08:45 AM

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Walking and looking around is criminally suspicious? You can't really be trying to claim that.

As to Martin, his opinion of the apparent skinhead following him is irrelevant.

1 Depends if he is looking at doorways and windows it can be.

2. Answering when asked what race Martin was means that Zimmerman attacked Martin but Martin's blatant racism doesn't mean Martin could be the attacker?

There is a flaw in your logic.

I never said Martin could not be the attacker. I simply do not care. Zimmerman is claiming lethal self defense for losing a fist fight that he would never have been in if he hadn't been walking around feeling macho carrying a pistol.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/5/2013 4:39:12 AM

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How do you know that Zimmerman was feeling macho?

Are you asserting that everyone who carries a gun is inviting fist fights?

I would rather suspect that one carries a gun to discourage attackers?

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