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Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict

Zimmerman will be acquited, and justice will have been served

34% (12)

Zimmerman will be aquitted, but justice will not have been served.

17% (6)

Zimmerman will be rightfully convicted.

14% (5)

Zimmerman will be wrongfully convicted.

2% (1)

I can't predict the verdict, but I feel Zimmerman is innocent.

14% (5)

I can't predict the verdict, but I feel Zimmerman is guilty

17% (6)

Total Votes : 35

(last vote on : 7/4/2013 5:06:15 PM)
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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 7:53:24 PM

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Must we share your passion for ignorance?

My goodness, no! Mind-reading know-it-alls are important too. That's what diversity is all about.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 7:58:06 PM

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Must we share your passion for ignorance?

My goodness, no! Mind-reading know-it-alls are important too. That's what diversity is all about.

K.

Can`t we just read your words and attach the usual meanings to them......If that`s ok with you....

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 8:07:11 PM

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Can`t we just read your words and attach the usual meanings to them......

Nope, sorry. They mean what they say. You don't get to "attach" any "meanings" to them.

I know that makes things harder for you, but suck it up.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 8:17:16 PM

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If Zimmerman isn't acquitted, it will be a travesty.

Zimmerman could just have easily been parking his car to walk to HIS home when saint thug decided that he was being "followed".

The bone of contention is the physical violence/Zimmerman reasonably believing he was in danger of death or bodily injury. That's where things went tits up.

Sorry but I come from a place where just about any hour of the day or night, you're walking in front of or behind somebody. If that's cause to get a wild hair up one's ass, I seriously suggest avoiding a vacation in NYC.

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Hardly when you know this is clearly not the case. Zimmerman was a guard on the beat, armed and dangerous. Soon as Zimmerman got out of his car it was he who instigated the confrontation.

Martin still must be given a right of passage and an assumed right of a presumption of innocence no matter what given that at that point neither life, limb or property was in danger.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 8:21:52 PM

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Martin still must be given a right of passage and an assumed right of a presumption of innocence no matter what given that at that point neither life, limb or property was in danger.

But Zimmerman cannot be given the same presumption of innocence?

Were Martin on trial for assault I would be agreeing with you, it is Zimmerman who is on trial and it is the defendant who must be given the presumption of innocence.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 8:53:38 PM

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I do believe that Zimmerman's decision to get out of the car led to the death of Martin, and that ought to be a manslaughter conviction.

I make the decision to get out of my car daily, it doesn't lead to a death. However, were I to be attacked just for getting out of my car and made to fear for my life, I would not hesitate nor would I lose sleep over it.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 8:55:33 PM

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Whatever. I'm just going to keep a close enough eye on the trial to know when the verdict is coming, and hope we aren't in a giant heat wave, when it arrives.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 8:59:27 PM

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but he made choices that ended with a young man dead.

No, he made a choice that led to a verbal confrontation. Martin made the choice that led to his own death. I don't care if Zimmerman called Martin's mother a ghetto hood rat who pays the bills on her knees. Words are to be met with words. When words are met with violence, that is wrong. Martin made that choice and it cost him his life.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:03:51 PM

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The poll didn't include what I see as the most important choice: "I don't know."

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:08:07 PM

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Despite the howling by certain parties the prosecution did build a case for the elements of 2nd degree murder. They also showed that Zimmerman lied, differing accounts of whether or not he had lost control of the gun and his interview with Hannity where he lied about knowing the states self defense and SYG laws. Juries tend to convict liars.

The defense has a real problem, if they put Zimmerman on the stand he gets cross examined which would bring in the prescription drugs, history of violence etc. etc. or stick to experts and character witnesses and hope they can convince the jury that Zimmerman's lies does not mean he lied about what happened that night. And in cases like this the jury does like to hear from the defendant.

Of course no lawyer in his right mind lets Zimmerman testify so I think its 50/50 conviction or hung jury.

Are you kidding Zimmerman should be paying the prosecution, directed verdict is in order.

It did look that way until the last two days. The videos of him changing his version of events and the video of him on Hannity flat out lying about not knowing Florida self defense or SYG law put him in a bad spot. Juries almost always convict liars it is one of the basics of trials. It is one of the reasons any decent criminal defense lawyer will tell you to never ever talk to the police.

Also the medical examiner calling the scratches on the back of his insignificant and the result of likely a single blow on the concrete, not the many bashings he claims in his interview, both puts more doubt on his veracity but also casts doubts on his claim that a reasonable person would have feared for his life in the same situation.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:10:23 PM

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but he made choices that ended with a young man dead.

No, he made a choice that led to a verbal confrontation. Martin made the choice that led to his own death. I don't care if Zimmerman called Martin's mother a ghetto hood rat who pays the bills on her knees. Words are to be met with words. When words are met with violence, that is wrong. Martin made that choice and it cost him his life.

So Zimmerman, the proven serial liar, claims. The girlfriend says otherwise.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:17:54 PM

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So Zimmerman, the proven serial liar, claims. The girlfriend says otherwise.

You mean the girlfriend who was absolutely torn apart on the stand and made to look A) stupid and B) as though she was a defense witness?

You mean the same girlfriend who admitted that Martin used racial slurs (incorrect ones at that) about Zimmerman, prompting every half-wit journalist and Martin's own family proclaim this "wasn't about race," despite proclaiming the exact opposite for over a year?

That girlfriend?

Yeah, I'll side with the man who showed abject relief when told (untruthfully) that the whole incident was caught on video.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:22:25 PM

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So Zimmerman, the proven serial liar, claims. The girlfriend says otherwise.

You mean the girlfriend who was absolutely torn apart on the stand and made to look A) stupid and B) as though she was a defense witness?

You mean the same girlfriend who admitted that Martin used racial slurs (incorrect ones at that) about Zimmerman, prompting every half-wit journalist and Martin's own family proclaim this "wasn't about race," despite proclaiming the exact opposite for over a year?

That girlfriend?

Yeah, I'll side with the man who showed abject relief when told (untruthfully) that the whole incident was caught on video.

The same girlfriend who insisted that St. Skittles' racial epithets weren't racist statements?

The same girlfriend that lied about why she didn't make it to the funeral?

The same girlfriend that (initially) lied about writing a letter in cursive only to have to admit that she lied because she couldn't read what she alleged to have written?

Yes, her credibility is beyond reproach, obviously. She wouldn't lie now. That was then. Now, she'd be the pillar of truthfulness.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:32:58 PM

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Look, let them acquit Zimmerman, so the country erupts in riots, so the investments in guns and ammo that all of use paranoid gun owners have made over the years will actually pay for themselves.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:38:36 PM

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I voted - can't predict, but I think he's innocent.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:40:13 PM

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On the one hand there is the question of what we think and feel --- but the real question is how the jury will decide the case. There were no close-range eye witnesses, and the lone survivor is motivated to exonerate himself. The lead police detective said he believed Zimmerman.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:46:01 PM

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Whatever. I'm just going to keep a close enough eye on the trial to know when the verdict is coming, and hope we aren't in a giant heat wave, when it arrives.

With your assessment there could be no self defense plea as the dead guy would have to be presumed innocent

Hope it rains all week when the verdict comes in.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:52:17 PM

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There were no close-range eye witnesses

Just the guy who saw a person in dark clothes on top pummeling a prone guy wearing something red.

Other than that....

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 9:53:11 PM

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I expect he'll be acquitted, simply because the evidence against him isn't strong enough for a conviction. That said, I tend to feel he's innocent more than he's guilty, but the lack of good evidence also means that I don't really know what happened.

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RE: Zimmerman Con't / Predict the Verdict - 7/3/2013 10:09:51 PM

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So Zimmerman, the proven serial liar, claims. The girlfriend says otherwise.

You mean the girlfriend who was absolutely torn apart on the stand and made to look A) stupid and B) as though she was a defense witness?

You mean the same girlfriend who admitted that Martin used racial slurs (incorrect ones at that) about Zimmerman, prompting every half-wit journalist and Martin's own family proclaim this "wasn't about race," despite proclaiming the exact opposite for over a year?

That girlfriend?

Yeah, I'll side with the man who showed abject relief when told (untruthfully) that the whole incident was caught on video.

I mean the girlfriend who came across as sympathetic to the jury and made O'Mara look mean. Keep in mind this is not a bench trial but one in front of a jury. Defense lawyers who beat up witnesses the way O'Mara did have to find a way to appear to not be an SoB or the jury will ignore pretty much anything he has to say. So far O'Mara's attempt with the knock joke seems to be less than successful.

Also keep in mind the last witnesses the jury will hear are the prosecution's rebuttal witnesses and the last argument they will hear is the prosecutor and if he is any good at all his closing will be "Zimmerman lied about this, Zimmerman lied about that and Zimmerman lied about this other thing" and that will certainly be a major component in deliberations.

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