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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 10:17:02 AM

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public opinion is a fucking bitch...

yeah.. the fact that after shooting Martin, Zimmy stood up, paced around, told a resident who came out to call his wife and tell her he shot someone.. and Zimmy claiming he did not know he killed Martin.. wouldnt a decent person try to help the person he just shot? If your car hit another car, wouldnt a decent person try to help anyone injured in the car he/she just hit? To leave an injured or dying person just lay there.. man, that is dam cold.. imo..

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:09:53 PM

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Facts are facts.
I have been known to cite Huffinpoo

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:13:23 PM

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So have I. Has Huffinpoo been accused to paying women to make up stories?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:17:11 PM

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I have read a bunch of Ayoobs advice, and agree with much of writings on technique and such.
However, I completely disagree with part of the advice you attributed to him.
If I am ever involved in a shooting, I will try afterwards, as possible, to get a witness list. that list will remain in my possession until I give it to my lawyer to be vetted. Same pretty much for evidence.
Give them nothing.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:19:30 PM

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I would agree with that, he is heavily involved in the cop side and cop thinking, those guys aint got your best interests at heart.

Shut it, and get a voicebox.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:27:55 PM

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I didn't actually 'define' nutjob.

You defined Zimmerman as a nutjob by inference. A determination you are clearly unqualified to make.

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but by a verifiable nut case

You not only did it again, but used the word verifiable, which transforms your statement from an unqualified opinion to a deliberate lie.

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Mr. 45-strapped-to-ankle-before-putting-shoes-on-nutjob

You must like variety. Here we have an unqualified opinion, freely displayed ignorance, and an erroneous assumption. To wit: I am considered by the judges of my local courts, the local constabulary, and the local federal marshalls not to be a nutjob but a credible source; .45s are almost unanimously considerd too large for ankle holsters; I generally wear an SOB holster unless I am going "formal" and don my Safariland shoulder holster rig.

Hope that helps

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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:29:49 PM

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Facts are facts.
SYG has been successfully used in Florida by a disproportionate number of black citizens.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:38:46 PM

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Are you quite sure? Or are you relying on the Daily Caller for that info.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:47:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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I didn't actually 'define' nutjob.

You defined Zimmerman as a nutjob by inference. A determination you are clearly unqualified to make.

You can call it as being "by inference," but it's not to be unexpected that anyone of normal mind reading Zimmerman's long history of violence against ex-fiance, against a roommate, against the police, being called on by the police for following an innocent citizen in his car, the account of a co-worker in relating Zimmerman's snapping completely on more than one occasion when working as a security guard at private parties, numerous complaints from residents of the community he harassed ("patrolled"), and, if nothing else, reading the phone log of his 46 calls to the 911 dispatcher.

In any event, I'm pretty sure that the words "nutjob" or "nut case" are not in the lexicon of either Psychiatry or Psychology, so then any normal person would take usage of these words by another as constituting opinion from the outset, not as any imposition of a 'definition.'

I'm not saying that I'm an expert on whether someone is a nut case or not. But for any person of sound mind, reading Zimmerman's long and well established record of bizarre and menacing behavior, "nutjob" or "nut case" would be the response instantly evoked.

As evoked from a person of sound mind, I must reiterate.

I understand well enough here that the response in recognition of such aggressively antisocial behavior can be much different from others.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:47:07 PM

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according to a dailycaller article yeah.

However I went and had a look at where their data came from, and nope, it aint right since first of all:

The Times asked questions about each conflict: Who was armed? Who started the fight? It also recorded the race, age and sex of those involved and the case outcome. Hispanics often are listed as white or black because many police agencies record only race, not ethnicity.

and secondly, I could not get to that data even drilling way down, it was a facelook.

Nope, I would say the stats on SYG are not credible from the dailycaller.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 1:31:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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I kinda think you're [sic] type of justice might involve mobs with torches and pitchforks

I kinda think that you're a complete fuckwit in saying that, actually. (fuckwit grammar aside)

Why? You are suggesting vigilante justice in a nation of law and order.
That's mob rule.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 1:44:03 PM

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Which affirmation of is just what transpired here.

You were claiming that I wanted pitch forks, etc. Being that there was nothing to indicate that as my intention in the matter, I just called you out on your idiocy or otherwise lack of comprehension 'skills.' Yeah, I take that back; what you said was not 'kinda' fucked up, just completely fucked up.

Who needs pitchforks, after this?

What is established by all this is that you are entitled to go looking for whatever trouble you seek, and who needs a pitchfork. They give guns to people with a well established record of violence and pathological antisocial behavior. Which is a strike against every responsible gun owner.

Even if I had the intent you presume, I could get any gun I wanted for the purpose. Who needs a freakin' pitchfork?

Just because you openly advocate mentally unstable people carrying guns and harassing everyday citizens as a matter of course does not mean that people opposed to that dystopian scenario are carrying pitchforks.

Project much?

Ciao.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 2:10:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
public opinion is a fucking bitch...

yeah.. the fact that after shooting Martin, Zimmy stood up, paced around, told a resident who came out to call his wife and tell her he shot someone.. and Zimmy claiming he did not know he killed Martin.. wouldnt a decent person try to help the person he just shot? If your car hit another car, wouldnt a decent person try to help anyone injured in the car he/she just hit? To leave an injured or dying person just lay there.. man, that is dam cold.. imo..

Its also not what happened. Did you listen to any of the evidence at all?????

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 2:24:57 PM

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I'm wondering if people who actually listened to the 911 recording need a hearing test.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 2:29:31 PM

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I'm wondering if people who actually listened to the 911 recording need a hearing test.

Three gunshots by the prosecution witness. I'd say so.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 2:33:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
public opinion is a fucking bitch...

yeah.. the fact that after shooting Martin, Zimmy stood up, paced around, told a resident who came out to call his wife and tell her he shot someone.. and Zimmy claiming he did not know he killed Martin.. wouldnt a decent person try to help the person he just shot? If your car hit another car, wouldnt a decent person try to help anyone injured in the car he/she just hit? To leave an injured or dying person just lay there.. man, that is dam cold.. imo..

It may seem cold, but there are reasons you wouldn't want to try to render assistance. One being that if you just shot them, and then are seen kneeling over them, it could be inferred you were trying to 'finish the job'. Another reason is that they might still have some fight left and a weapon on them and you could end up shot or stabbed (which you were trying to avoid in the first place). No, better to call for aid, and if someone else comes along, let them try to help. I know it doesn't seem nice, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 2:35:19 PM

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The reason for that is that the men who founded this country were painfully aware of the oppressive possibilities of an overzealous politically motivated justice system.

I have been reminded throughout this persecution of old oaters wherein the sheriff stood off the lynch mob from the porch of his jail, double-barrel in his hands and six-shooter at his side.
Except, in this case, the politicians fired the sheriff and gave the mob their pound of flesh...

"High Noon"

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 2:41:44 PM

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What all your posts in the aggregate make crystal clear, is that you are advocating a double standard in the legal system. You want the Constitution for yourself, but not for Zimmerman.

And the 'reasons' you give for Zimmerman to be denied his rights turn out to be specious (adjudicated a danger, when in fact, he's just on a common prescription meds, etc.), that leaves the suspicion that there is something else fueling your contempt for Zimmerman, other than the truth and the facts.

The transcripts of the phone calls are posted, the testimony was heard by millions, the lies have all been debunked, the honestly rendered verdict that no murder was done is confirmed... and here you are repeating falsehood after falsehood.

Unless you know Zimmerman personally, your axe to grind is based on something about him. Is it his clothes?

Or are you just upset that these @$&#*!%s always get away?

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Which affirmation of is just what transpired here.

You were claiming that I wanted pitch forks, etc. Being that there was nothing to indicate that as my intention in the matter, I just called you out on your idiocy or otherwise lack of comprehension 'skills.' Yeah, I take that back; what you said was not 'kinda' fucked up, just completely fucked up.

Who needs pitchforks, after this?

What is established by all this is that you are entitled to go looking for whatever trouble you seek, and who needs a pitchfork. They give guns to people with a well established record of violence and pathological antisocial behavior. Which is a strike against every responsible gun owner.

Even if I had the intent you presume, I could get any gun I wanted for the purpose. Who needs a freakin' pitchfork?

Just because you openly advocate mentally unstable people carrying guns and harassing everyday citizens as a matter of course does not mean that people opposed to that dystopian scenario are carrying pitchforks.

Project much?

Ciao.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 2:43:15 PM

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FREE ZIMMERMAN!
from you.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 2:43:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I'm wondering if people who actually listened to the 911 recording need a hearing test.

Three gunshots by the prosecution witness. I'd say so.

That's not from the 911 recording, sorry if the meaning wasn't clear, other than explicit reference to "911 recording."

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