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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

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public opinion is a fucking bitch...

yeah.. the fact that after shooting Martin, Zimmy stood up, paced around, told a resident who came out to call his wife and tell her he shot someone.. and Zimmy claiming he did not know he killed Martin.. wouldnt a decent person try to help the person he just shot? If your car hit another car, wouldnt a decent person try to help anyone injured in the car he/she just hit? To leave an injured or dying person just lay there.. man, that is dam cold.. imo..

It may seem cold, but there are reasons you wouldn't want to try to render assistance. One being that if you just shot them, and then are seen kneeling over them, it could be inferred you were trying to 'finish the job'. Another reason is that they might still have some fight left and a weapon on them and you could end up shot or stabbed (which you were trying to avoid in the first place). No, better to call for aid, and if someone else comes along, let them try to help. I know it doesn't seem nice, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

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1-We don't know that Z "took the matter into his own hands."All available evidence suggests that he was attacked. To suggest that Z acted in a vigilante fashion is to manufacture false facts.
2-Last I checked, as far as I know, in America there are lots of ways to respond to someone following you,none of which involve assault (or, to placate the whackos and hairsplitters, A&B). You can go home (The easiest and best solution), call the cops (What most citizens would do), try to lose the pursuer, or just go about your damn business (Cuz, you know, it's a public area-Z has as much right to be there as M.And vice versa).
The one thing you don't do is assault the person.The second you do that you've shifted from possible victim to, depending on the nature of the attack, felon.

Here's what I wonder?
Had Martin had been a white kid, would people be howling about how Z's civil liberties were being trampled, a poor latin trying to do the right thing, crushed underneath the jackboot of an overzealous prosecution?
I wonder...

1. We only have Mr. Zimmerman's account of his initial encounter with Mr. Martin which makes it one-sided and biased.

2. Mr. Zimmerman instigated this encounter by not complying with what he was asked to do by the 911 operator. Had he complied, this whole incident would never have happened. There is evidence to prove that.

3. The fact that he followed Mr. Martin regardless of the instructions he was given makes him a vigilante. Why is it so hard to consider that Mr. Martin might have felt threatened? Who is to say that Mr. Zimmerman didn't come at Mr. Martin first? There are too many holes and lies in Mr. Zimmerman's account of things to make believable on any level.

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The gay panic defense' is a product of the same source that heard the gunshots over the phone, and hasn't been truthful in the least about anything, from her own age, on out. (And notice that her inability to understand English because of her recent immigrant status, suddenly vanished when the TV shows came a-courting).

I would agree that Martin could easily have felt that there was a threat or maybe just a challenge from Zimmerman's actions. I can speculate as to some of his actions and motives between the time he took off, and the time he was reportedly seen on top of Zimmerman, but that would simply be speculation. Just as I can speculate as to how much of Zimmerman's narrative was honest and how much was altered just enough to match a textbook case of self defense.

But, speculation over the internet is too damn weak to support any useful conclusions.

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It may seem cold, but there are reasons you wouldn't want to try to render assistance. One being that if you just shot them, and then are seen kneeling over them, it could be inferred you were trying to 'finish the job'. Another reason is that they might still have some fight left and a weapon on them and you could end up shot or stabbed (which you were trying to avoid in the first place). No, better to call for aid, and if someone else comes along, let them try to help. I know it doesn't seem nice, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

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It may seem cold, but there are reasons you wouldn't want to try to render assistance. One being that if you just shot them, and then are seen kneeling over them, it could be inferred you were trying to 'finish the job'. Another reason is that they might still have some fight left and a weapon on them and you could end up shot or stabbed (which you were trying to avoid in the first place). No, better to call for aid, and if someone else comes along, let them try to help. I know it doesn't seem nice, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

One more that came to mind was the (ridiculous) ability of anyone's family to sue a person if they've ever been CPR-qualified, allowed their qualification to lapse and fail to save the person they're trying to help.

Hell, in this country, people sue people because it's become a veritable sport and "good samaritan" laws aside, one is rarely shielded from civil actions. Add that to your first reason, and some people would be really "off to the races", out buying rope and carrying torches and what-not.



Peace and omfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

The gay panic defense' is a product of the same source that heard the gunshots over the phone, and hasn't been truthful in the least about anything, from her own age, on out. (And notice that her inability to understand English because of her recent immigrant status, suddenly vanished when the TV shows came a-courting).

I would agree that Martin could easily have felt that there was a threat or maybe just a challenge from Zimmerman's actions. I can speculate as to some of his actions and motives between the time he took off, and the time he was reportedly seen on top of Zimmerman, but that would simply be speculation. Just as I can speculate as to how much of Zimmerman's narrative was honest and how much was altered just enough to match a textbook case of self defense.

But, speculation over the internet is too damn weak to support any useful conclusions.

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The gay panic defense' is a product of the same source that heard the gunshots over the phone, and hasn't been truthful in the least about anything, from her own age, on out. (And notice that her inability to understand English because of her recent immigrant status, suddenly vanished when the TV shows came a-courting).

I would agree that Martin could easily have felt that there was a threat or maybe just a challenge from Zimmerman's actions. I can speculate as to some of his actions and motives between the time he took off, and the time he was reportedly seen on top of Zimmerman, but that would simply be speculation. Just as I can speculate as to how much of Zimmerman's narrative was honest and how much was altered just enough to match a textbook case of self defense.

But, speculation over the internet is too damn weak to support any useful conclusions.

On the contrary. Just go over to Facebook, FARK, or any of the other sites in that vein. Everyone there has received the Internet Law degree and have decided that Zimmerman deserves to be lynched based on what is largely hyperbole. Hell, there are probably a hundred thousand Twitter posts that technically constitute criminal conspiracy based on what they want to do to him, his family, the judge/jurors/lawyers/janitor.

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What all your posts say is that you "vote for George."

That established, I'm not saying that everybody who defends (on the record) repeated overt actions of hostility towards society is a nut case.

I'm just saying that the onus is on them to convince sane people otherwise.

I'm not 'feeling' that, here.

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What a relief of burden to not have to substantiate anything, but rather just hallucinate about intentions of those who disagree with situation of a nut case being let loose in the world.

(Hurriedly covers my pitchfork with a bunch of straw ...)

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The gay panic defense' is a product of the same source that heard the gunshots over the phone, and hasn't been truthful in the least about anything, from her own age, on out. (And notice that her inability to understand English because of her recent immigrant status, suddenly vanished when the TV shows came a-courting).

I would agree that Martin could easily have felt that there was a threat or maybe just a challenge from Zimmerman's actions. I can speculate as to some of his actions and motives between the time he took off, and the time he was reportedly seen on top of Zimmerman, but that would simply be speculation. Just as I can speculate as to how much of Zimmerman's narrative was honest and how much was altered just enough to match a textbook case of self defense.

But, speculation over the internet is too damn weak to support any useful conclusions.

On the contrary. Just go over to Facebook, FARK, or any of the other sites in that vein. Everyone there has received the Internet Law degree and have decided that Zimmerman deserves to be lynched based on what is largely hyperbole. Hell, there are probably a hundred thousand Twitter posts that technically constitute criminal conspiracy based on what they want to do to him, his family, the judge/jurors/lawyers/janitor.

And thereby, anyone who disagrees with the initial action or the resulting adjudication as byproduct of that are carrying pitchforks, torches, howtzers, and everything else, and want to kill all of Zimmerman's family, his past family, his future family, his mother's employer, etc.


What a relief of burden to not have to substantiate anything, but rather just hallucinate about intentions of those who disagree with situation of a nut case being let loose in the world.

(Hurriedly covers my pitchfork with a bunch of straw ...)

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The gay panic defense' is a product of the same source that heard the gunshots over the phone, and hasn't been truthful in the least about anything, from her own age, on out. (And notice that her inability to understand English because of her recent immigrant status, suddenly vanished when the TV shows came a-courting).

I would agree that Martin could easily have felt that there was a threat or maybe just a challenge from Zimmerman's actions. I can speculate as to some of his actions and motives between the time he took off, and the time he was reportedly seen on top of Zimmerman, but that would simply be speculation. Just as I can speculate as to how much of Zimmerman's narrative was honest and how much was altered just enough to match a textbook case of self defense.

But, speculation over the internet is too damn weak to support any useful conclusions.

I know she is not a credible witness but the total block of evidence of racism or profiling came from her and pointed toward Martin.
I only mention this when people start trying to play that card against Zimmerman.

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Jimmy Carter says the jury made the right call in finding George Zimmerman not guilty.

"I think the jury made the right decision based on the evidence presented, because the prosecution inadvertently set the standard so high that the jury had to be convinced that it was a deliberate act by Zimmerman, that he was not at all defending himself," Carter told Atlanta NBC affiliate WXIA-TV.