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ORIGINAL: Kana

I kinda have a belief that congress shouldn't be able to pass any laws in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy, short of an act of war of course,kinda a cooling off period for lawmakers.They tend to pass knee jerk wildly reactionary legislation, stuff that's regrettable later.

You might want to add a provision requiring them to actually read the shit they pass.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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I'm not denying that we have a race problem in this country,no sane person will.But how much of it is fostered and festered by political/social/financial reasons,or just flat out to induce fear and have the population turn more and more liberties over to the government?

What liberties have folks surrendered to the federal government in the effort to reduce racial discord?

It's been asserted by more than one party that modern Gun Control laws started when the Black panthers started arming themselves. I posted a link to an article some pages back. Not to mention how many civil liberties have been stomped in the largely racist drug war (look, the stats are undeniable. The drug war is a war against the black underclass).
But I was discussing fear as a political tactic in the macro,more than this micro. One can't deny that fear has led to the Patriot Act,which led to prism, and eavesdropping on the internet and drones in American airspace and Guantanamo and all sorts of insanity, to give just one example-that shit was a wild over-reach.
(I kinda have a belief that congress shouldn't be able to pass any laws in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy, short of an act of war of course,kinda a cooling off period for lawmakers.They tend to pass knee jerk wildly reactionary legislation, stuff that's regrettable later)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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I'm not denying that we have a race problem in this country,no sane person will.But how much of it is fostered and festered by political/social/financial reasons,or just flat out to induce fear and have the population turn more and more liberties over to the government?

What liberties have folks surrendered to the federal government in the effort to reduce racial discord?

It's been asserted by more than one party that modern Gun Control laws started when the Black panthers started arming themselves. I posted a link to an article some pages back. Not to mention how many civil liberties have been stomped in the largely racist drug war (look, the stats are undeniable. The drug war is a war against the black underclass).
But I was discussing fear as a political tactic in the macro,more than this micro. One can't deny that fear has led to the Patriot Act,which led to prism, and eavesdropping on the internet and drones in American airspace and Guantanamo and all sorts of insanity, to give just one example-that shit was a wild over-reach.
(I kinda have a belief that congress shouldn't be able to pass any laws in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy, short of an act of war of course,kinda a cooling off period for lawmakers.They tend to pass knee jerk wildly reactionary legislation, stuff that's regrettable later)

Actually the first serious gun control came with Mississippi confiscating firearms owned by blacks to keep them from defending themselves.
They claimed this would cut down on violence. Amazingly the supreme court in one of the worst rulings since Dred Scott said they were not bound by the 2nd.
The next big step was the Sullivan act in NYC the actual purpose of which was to see to it that Sullivan's thugs had guns and his opponent's thugs didn't.
So it has a stellar history.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Kana

I kinda have a belief that congress shouldn't be able to pass any laws in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy, short of an act of war of course,kinda a cooling off period for lawmakers.They tend to pass knee jerk wildly reactionary legislation, stuff that's regrettable later.

You might want to add a provision requiring them to actually read the shit they pass.

K.

Both excellent ideas, gentlemen!

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If we had done that we would have never found out what was in Obama care as per Pelosi

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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I'm not denying that we have a race problem in this country,no sane person will.But how much of it is fostered and festered by political/social/financial reasons,or just flat out to induce fear and have the population turn more and more liberties over to the government?

What liberties have folks surrendered to the federal government in the effort to reduce racial discord?

It's been asserted by more than one party that modern Gun Control laws started when the Black panthers started arming themselves. I posted a link to an article some pages back. Not to mention how many civil liberties have been stomped in the largely racist drug war (look, the stats are undeniable. The drug war is a war against the black underclass).
But I was discussing fear as a political tactic in the macro,more than this micro. One can't deny that fear has led to the Patriot Act,which led to prism, and eavesdropping on the internet and drones in American airspace and Guantanamo and all sorts of insanity, to give just one example-that shit was a wild over-reach.
(I kinda have a belief that congress shouldn't be able to pass any laws in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy, short of an act of war of course,kinda a cooling off period for lawmakers.They tend to pass knee jerk wildly reactionary legislation, stuff that's regrettable later)

Actually the first serious gun control came with Mississippi confiscating firearms owned by blacks to keep them from defending themselves.
They claimed this would cut down on violence. Amazingly the supreme court in one of the worst rulings since Dred Scott said they were not bound by the 2nd.
The next big step was the Sullivan act in NYC the actual purpose of which was to see to it that Sullivan's thugs had guns and his opponent's thugs didn't.
So it has a stellar history.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you (I'm not), but I did say "Modern" Gun Control :-)

For some reason, the idea of heavily armed militant blacks terrified the extremely racist Oakland Police.I can't imagine why...

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Kana: It's been asserted by more than one party that modern Gun Control laws started when the Black panthers started arming themselves.

BamaD: That was when Panthers were displaying bumper stickers saying "when guns are outlawed only the police will have guns"

The Panthers sure do make handy bogeymen, don't they?

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If we had done that we would have never found out what was in Obama care as per Pelosi

I knew that was gonna come up. She and I disagreed on that one.

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I was agreeing with you that was a perfect example of the need of your guidline

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Actually the first serious gun control came with Mississippi confiscating firearms owned by blacks to keep them from defending themselves.
They claimed this would cut down on violence. Amazingly the supreme court in one of the worst rulings since Dred Scott said they were not bound by the 2nd.
The next big step was the Sullivan act in NYC the actual purpose of which was to see to it that Sullivan's thugs had guns and his opponent's thugs didn't.
So it has a stellar history.

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I was agreeing with you that was a perfect example of the need of your guidline

And I was agreeing with you.

You seem to be getting defensive, and I'm not sure why.

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It *was** Dred Scott.

The Jim Crow era 'must retreat' and 'may issue' laws were applied, shall we say unevenly for quite some time.

Stand your ground, and shall issue were enacted in the face of civil right activists demanding that black people have the same rights to self defense as the elite.

That was bitterly fought against by the elite, right up through the USSC rulings in Heller and McDonald that once and for all debunked the racist myth that SES determined the right to bear arms.
Remember the original definition of a militia? White free men? And how many posters here have parroted over and over 'No 2nd Amendment rights unless you are one of the militia'?

And so what's the meme from the same posters now? Oh, that brown skinned, Afro-Peruvian descended George Zimmerman should never have gotten a CCW, and certainly should not have benefited from the Constitutional guarantees of the right to self defense, and a fair trial

Yeah... it's about race all right... As I keep pointing out, Racism 2.0.

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Actually the first serious gun control came with Mississippi confiscating firearms owned by blacks to keep them from defending themselves.
They claimed this would cut down on violence. Amazingly the supreme court in one of the worst rulings since Dred Scott said they were not bound by the 2nd.
The next big step was the Sullivan act in NYC the actual purpose of which was to see to it that Sullivan's thugs had guns and his opponent's thugs didn't.
So it has a stellar history.