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ORIGINAL: Focus50

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I used to talk a fair amount with a woman who was an internet-famous slave. She had a widely read blog, had been Owned by a man who was powerful in vanilla life, and she had extensive email correspondence with slave women both in the US and internationally. She once said to me, "It's an open secret that Owners sometimes need to recharge." Meaning: get topped.

The dominant one getting pegged is a horse of a different color. If I were to tell my submissive to do "anything" no matter the task. Am I not the one in charge of the situation?

In my mind it's really that simple. I'm doing the telling and she is complying. My bitch will comply with whatever is asked of her...or she will no longer be my bitch

A few have expressed how "simple" it supposedly is, and it just isn't. Not with real people living a normal, happy D/s relationship, anyway. Those living the theory of it all, yeah, whatever.

You're right - I (the dom) give the commands and my sub complies. Theory, fact & practical all at work - *simple*. But there's commands and then there's commands and all relationships have lines that shouldn't be crossed. Often they're lines that are never otherwise mentioned, let alone specifically agreed to. Lines that sane and sensible couples rightly assume the other already understands, respects and agrees to.

There is nothing "simple" about male dom ordering fem/sub to peg him with a strap on. Most especially if such a possibility was never discussed at the relationship's beginning. Just as there is nothing "simple" about dom ordering sub to throw herself in front of a speeding truck...! Both are things that can and likely will affect the dynamic and welfare of the greater relationship. Respect is lost - deal breakers!

What I find both offensive and fanciful with this whole train of reasoning is the chest-beating "absoluteness" of it all. Dom commands - sub complies. Something I'd expect from D/s porn or "The Story of O" rather than real people living otherwise normal and happy D/s relationships.

Now prove my point by giving me hell on "real" and "normal"...! ;)

Focus.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Lets take a scenario of one Master and one female slave. Her Master is a switch and sometimes under his command, she tops him. She enjoys topping her Master under his command of course because she adores pleasing him and she doesn't lose respect for him because he's such an awesome Master to her!

Who are we to tell such people they aren't the real McCoy? of course they are the real McCoy, they just don't fit into your ideals of D/s

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Nobody said that such a guy isn't a real dominant. What we said is that we aren't compatible with guys who want that from us.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

They may like to dominate but they are not a Dominant.

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And I don't have to justify it to anyone else. Or get the approval of anyone else. My life, and I get to pick what works for me. And what characteristics and traits I need in a life partner.
Not some stranger on the internet to whom I have not agreed to submit and who is attempted to dominate me without my consent by demanding I justify my choices.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Lets take a scenario of one Master and one female slave. Her Master is a switch and sometimes under his command, she tops him. She enjoys topping her Master under his command of course because she adores pleasing him and she doesn't lose respect for him because he's such an awesome Master to her!

Who are we to tell such people they aren't the real McCoy? of course they are the real McCoy, they just don't fit into your ideals of D/s

Huh? You're actually fabricating a hypothetical to disprove something I said...?

FYI, my "ideals of D/s" are only relevant to those I'm in or considering a relationship with; that offering my opinions here doesn't mean I think it's all about me.

Focus.

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Lets take a scenario of one Master and one female slave. Her Master is a switch and sometimes under his command, she tops him. She enjoys topping her Master under his command of course because she adores pleasing him and she doesn't lose respect for him because he's such an awesome Master to her!

Who are we to tell such people they aren't the real McCoy? of course they are the real McCoy, they just don't fit into your ideals of D/s

Huh? You're actually fabricating a hypothetical to disprove something I said...?

FYI, my "ideals of D/s" are only relevant to those I'm in or considering a relationship with; that offering my opinions here doesn't mean I think it's all about me.

Focus.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Huh? did I quote you? What I said came directly under your post but it wasn't aimed at you. It was just something that came to mind regarding this topic.

Okay; fair point.

My point is a composite. As you say, you posted straight after me, the post stamp says "in reply to Focus50", you didn't quote anyone else, your post was 2 hours after mine and 4 hours after the next previous and your very last phrase said, "they just don't fit into your ideals of D/s". <phew>

The "your" implies you're talking to or about someone specific...? SailingBum, maybe? Anyway, sorry 'bout that.

Focus.

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Hey Focus,

As usual we are just going to have to agree to disagree. At least in my experience, A relationship "evolves" over time. If it didn't it would be one boring relationship. Like anything else ppl change over time so at some point I told my girl to do "whatever" she would comply.

It has nothing to do with chest beating. It's more about her being subservient to my desires. The girls I've chosen over the years enjoi "pleasing me" no matter what I ask of them.

I do enjoi reading your posts as they give me a differing perspective.

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Huh? did I quote you? What I said came directly under your post but it wasn't aimed at you. It was just something that came to mind regarding this topic.

Okay; fair point.

My point is a composite. As you say, you posted straight after me, the post stamp says "in reply to Focus50", you didn't quote anyone else, your post was 2 hours after mine and 4 hours after the next previous and your very last phrase said, "they just don't fit into your ideals of D/s". <phew>

The "your" implies you're talking to or about someone specific...? SailingBum, maybe? Anyway, sorry 'bout that.

Focus.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Hmm. Interesting thread.

Were a woman to demand that I whop one up her poop-chute (with my own fleshly dick or a plastic one) . . . I'd feel it as a submissive thing for me to do. Very much so - and a turn-on as a result. As a sub male living in the F/m world, I'm probably a great deal less "natural" than those living in the M/f world, tragically.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
But remember, it isn't natural for a female to penetrate a male since we lack the appropriate appendage.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Hmm. Interesting thread.

Were a woman to demand that I whop one up her poop-chute (with my own fleshly dick or a plastic one) . . . I'd feel it as a submissive thing for me to do. Very much so - and a turn-on as a result. As a sub male living in the F/m world, I'm probably a great deal less "natural" than those living in the M/f world, tragically.

Do you realise that there is probably now a bevvy of randy stoats mulling this post over while banging out a familiar tune on the "lady ukulele"?

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Does anyone even know what Peon and ML just said? Anyone? Beuller?