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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 4:07:02 PM   
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and your post is why many in the USA just shake our heads at numbskulls who defend a country that restricts ALMOST EVERY THING

personally if I had to live in such a RESTRICTIVE SOCIETY I'd be thankful if someone came and shot me in the head!


So would I.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 4:21:41 PM   
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If they spent less on other things (like hiring loadsa extra armed guards at every public place), they could afford to have more patrol cars and get to people much quicker.
We do have special "Armed Response Teams" if the situation needs it.


Look up the term cost benefit analysis.

At any given time there are at least three sheriff units in this area, out of four assigned per shift, plus the Sergent's unit and a K9 unit. Since there is a highway running through this part of the county, you can add two DPS (state troopers) units to that number.

The problem is not so much the number of units, but roads.

Now there is one cross road to the road I live on, as well as where it crosses the high way about six miles away. There are two subdivisions going in close by, at present none of the homes are finished so no residences, which would justify adding two units to the area.

On the other side of the highway there are four subdivisions with at least 90% of the homes occupied. Everyone of those houses are a quarter million or higher in value. Now it is ten minutes from my home to the nearest one.

Population density in my part of the county, about 2 people per square mile. With few exceptions the homes around me have been here for at least ten years.

Even city police are responsible for city buildings, the county courthouse is the sheriff's responsibility. The court house is open from 8AM to 5PM, with a total of five officers assigned. After it closes, the only people in the building are janitorial staff.

In the last ten years, county revenues have dropped by 20%.

The primary employers in the county are two large cattle feedlots, an auction yard, two drilling companies and a oil rig service firm. Ten years ago there were 20 drilling companies, two more feedlots, and fifteen rig service firms.

Before you suggest that the country should work on attracting industry, I must point out that we have a regional airport that is not capable of handling any thing larger than a medium size commercial jet. There is the one rail line, no rail junction, and one interstate. The federal government has plans to extend one interstate that ends in Wichita Falls through this area down to Laredo, but it is at least five years before construction on the extension begins, IF there is money at the Federal level to pay for it.

From a strictly logistical stand point, there is nothing that would support a large industry moving into the area. the larger metro areas are booming with new plants, new jobs, etc.

Now, you want to tell me just how a country or town is supposed to make up shortfalls in revenues with nothing to attract industries into the area?

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 4:24:58 PM   
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And this is the part where (instead of showing sympathy for the students who were wounded) everyone inserts their political talking points in support or in opposition to gun control. Seems like we have a discussion of this type every couple of weeks. Of course it also seems that we have a school shooting every couple of weeks as well.



I think the problem is that sympathy isn't very useful, MsMJAY. It changes almost zilch. I've noticed that lots of people on CM are very good at being tearful and wringing their hands when a gun-related tragedy occurs . . . and then, after a suitable period of showing how deeply warm, loving and big-hearted they are, they carry right on supporting the status quo. They even get to feel morally superior because they've not 'soiled' themselves by 'getting political' about the latest gun-related atrocity. It's as though lots of blubbering and noises of warmth, love and Christian uprightness will somehow make a difference, whereas nothing political can never do so.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 4:36:55 PM   
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Now, you want to tell me just how a country or town is supposed to make up shortfalls in revenues with nothing to attract industries into the area?

That's a tough one.

I guess being rural to that extent (with the US population being much more spread about than we are), it would be logistically difficult to have that type of fast response.
But that said, some people who live in rural areas over here have guns for hunting and deterring rural thieves and taking pot-shots at wildlife.
As I said in a previous post, there are situations where a gun could be useful and responsible people would use them properly and safely.
What I find idiotic is the notion that every man jack and the kitchen sink has need for one (and more) than is absolutely necessary.
So I don't advocate a complete ban, just some very severe restrictions on their availability and use and also to have what laws there are, actually vigorously enforced.
People in your situation, like some of our bods who live in remote areas, do have guns. The difference is, it's so easy to get one (without checks) and just about anyone can get one over there and that's where most of the problems lie.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 4:39:11 PM   
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and your post is why many in the USA just shake our heads at numbskulls who defend a country that restricts ALMOST EVERY THING

personally if I had to live in such a RESTRICTIVE SOCIETY I'd be thankful if someone came and shot me in the head!

your post reminds me of the old movie DEMOLITION MAN

You might consider it restrictive.
But for the most part, it is much freerer than you give it credit for.

Most of us love it because it's SHITLOADS safer and we get to live longer and our kids aren't in danger every day.
Just compare the stats - gun crimes and shit involving alcohol in countries where there are severe restrictions have much lower deaths.

If you wanna live in a virtualy anarchistic state... be my guest.


yes yes I understand free to be restricted to whatever the gov't tells you is SAFE

oh and BTW thank you for giving me your permission to live as I chose to
right back at ya dude, you wanna live in a that restricts EVERYTHING, your choice, but I am sick of you looking down your nose are those who chose NOT TO!

I think it was a prominent Englishman that said those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 4:59:01 PM   
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yes yes I understand free to be restricted to whatever the gov't tells you is SAFE

oh and BTW thank you for giving me your permission to live as I chose to
right back at ya dude, you wanna live in a that restricts EVERYTHING, your choice, but I am sick of you looking down your nose are those who chose NOT TO!

I think it was a prominent Englishman that said those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither

You just have nooo idea on how free we actually are.
We aren't governed like Russia, or Ukraine, or Poland, Greece, Turkey etc.

Our government does not restrict everything we do - far from it.

As for your last quote, do you drive without seat belts because you are free to do so with impunity?
Do you drive without a license or insurance because you are free to do so?
Do you drive drunk because you want to?
I doubt it.
But you are ok to give up those liberties for safety!

The same applies for many things you give up freedoms for just for safety.
Just not guns - that are responsable for 20x more deaths than we have.
Typical double standards.

And no, we don't look down our nose at you. That's your perception.
And as usual, just like your thoughts on our freedom, you're completely wrong!


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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:04:31 PM   
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The great accomplishment of totalitarianism like that of Satan is convince us it dos not exist.

But we don't live in a dick-tatorship like Stalin's rule.
We aren't even restricted like the Russians are... or Poland, Ukraine, Greece, Turkey (all democracies by the way).

We.... are much freer than you think.


Again dying of not surprised.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:06:33 PM   
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yes yes I understand free to be restricted to whatever the gov't tells you is SAFE

oh and BTW thank you for giving me your permission to live as I chose to
right back at ya dude, you wanna live in a that restricts EVERYTHING, your choice, but I am sick of you looking down your nose are those who chose NOT TO!

I think it was a prominent Englishman that said those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither

You just have nooo idea on how free we actually are.
We aren't governed like Russia, or Ukraine, or Poland, Greece, Turkey etc.

Our government does not restrict everything we do - far from it.

As for your last quote, do you drive without seat belts because you are free to do so with impunity?
Do you drive without a license or insurance because you are free to do so?
Do you drive drunk because you want to?
I doubt it.
But you are ok to give up those liberties for safety!

The same applies for many things you give up freedoms for just for safety.
Just not guns - that are responsable for 20x more deaths than we have.
Typical double standards.

And no, we don't look down our nose at you. That's your perception.
And as usual, just like your thoughts on our freedom, you're completely wrong!



Have you ever read Watership Down, the rabbits in the warren sounded just like you.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:09:36 PM   
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yes yes I understand free to be restricted to whatever the gov't tells you is SAFE

oh and BTW thank you for giving me your permission to live as I chose to
right back at ya dude, you wanna live in a that restricts EVERYTHING, your choice, but I am sick of you looking down your nose are those who chose NOT TO!

I think it was a prominent Englishman that said those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither


Agreed, we are so restricted it isnt true, we even get to walk the streets without the need to carry a gun and shit.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:10:03 PM   
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Have you ever read Watership Down, the rabbits in the warren sounded just like you.

Yep.
Read the book and seen the movie.
And no, we aren't like those in the warren.
That might be true of the Russians and greeks and various other democracies, but it's not like Britain.
And yes, I have been to most of those countries and witnessed their 'freedoms' of their democracies and it's nothing like ours.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:14:49 PM   
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yes yes I understand free to be restricted to whatever the gov't tells you is SAFE

oh and BTW thank you for giving me your permission to live as I chose to
right back at ya dude, you wanna live in a that restricts EVERYTHING, your choice, but I am sick of you looking down your nose are those who chose NOT TO!

I think it was a prominent Englishman that said those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither


Agreed, we are so restricted it isnt true, we even get to walk the streets without the need to carry a gun and shit.




*I* want the freedom to get shot wherever I go. And I want it for all the children I know, too. I want my 13 year old niece to be able to walk into school, her head held proud and high and rejoicing in her freedom to get her brains blasted out.

Goddamnit, we Brits know nothing of true freedom, PS. It's a mere dream of a world to us.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:16:01 PM   
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Not restrictive, totalitarian.


To suggest this about the UK is just fucking laughable. Someone needs a new dictionary for christmas.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:19:20 PM   
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I thorougly agree Peon, we should demand more guns and the worlds largest prison population. I would feel so much safer at night.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:21:20 PM   
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I never posted anything even vaguely resembling that. I made no mention of other schools at all. So now that you've resorted to frantic and impotent lying, I'll let my original assessment stand.

There is nothing in your posting that looks like anything except capitalizing on a tragedy to hurl insults at others.

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It takes a real sickness to gloat over dead children. Thanks for showing how loathsome people can be.


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Can you guess what didn't happen in approximately 98,800 other schools? That's right! No other school in the U.S. had a shooting incident yesterday.


That is nothing short of a stellar record and must bring tears of purest pride to all Americans, Dave.





Oh, swivel on it, Ed. Anyone who takes pride in the fact that lots of schools have *not* had a gun-killing on a given day - thus making an excuse for the fact that one school has - is beyond loathsome.



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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:22:07 PM   
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Have you ever read Watership Down, the rabbits in the warren sounded just like you.

Yep.
Read the book and seen the movie.
And no, we aren't like those in the warren.
That might be true of the Russians and greeks and various other democracies, but it's not like Britain.
And yes, I have been to most of those countries and witnessed their 'freedoms' of their democracies and it's nothing like ours.



Oh forget it, FD. Seriously, I mean . . . we're talking here of the supposed slavery that's comes with the confidence of knowing that your kid is going to spend a day in school without getting his or her brains splattered by gunfire. The idea of "freedom" that you're arguing with is worth less than fuck all.


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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:25:00 PM   
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If lack of gun control is the problem why is it that in the 50's and 60's when we had far less gun control there were virtually no school shootings?
I am NOT saying that proves that less gun control is the answer but clearly more isn't either.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:25:02 PM   
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I never posted anything even vaguely resembling that. I made no mention of other schools at all. So now that you've resorted to frantic and impotent lying, I'll let my original assessment stand.



Yes, but you supported someone who had, Ed. Now please save your ludicrous holier-than-thou wind for someone else, eh?

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:26:16 PM   
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I never posted anything even vaguely resembling that. I made no mention of other schools at all. So now that you've resorted to frantic and impotent lying, I'll let my original assessment stand.



Yes, but you supported someone who had, Ed. Now please save your ludicrous holier-than-thou wind for someone else, eh?

I think its a comprehension issue....

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:36:27 PM   
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FR

If lack of gun control is the problem why is it that in the 50's and 60's when we had far less gun control there were virtually no school shootings?
I am NOT saying that proves that less gun control is the answer but clearly more isn't either.


Well done you for not shooting school children in the 50's and 60's. That would be....50 or 60 years ago. I believe the world has moved on since then so maybe laws should do too.

But you can't touch the 2nd, hell no, you hang on to it like a child clinging on to its mother.

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RE: Anotther school shooting. - 12/14/2013 5:37:14 PM   
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I wonder how many of those that heavily criticize the UK as being restrictive and totalitarian have actually lived here and witnessed the freedoms we have?

I've lived in the US, so I can make a direct comparison.
Apart from guns, we are actually freer than the Americans I lived with.
I also feel much safer here than when I lived in the US.

I also get free healthcare here.
I can zoom down the motorways at 70mph (and more if I don't think there's a cop car close by) - couldn't do that in the US! I was falling asleep at how s-l-o-w they all drive.
8-lane freeways, almost empty, and crawling at 55mph tops - mostly 40mph or less.
I can go shopping any time 24/7. Couldn't do that in the US - most shops closed at 9pm.
Couldn't get an alcoholic drink on most Sundays - most places wouldn't serve alcy stuff.
Allowed to turn right on a RED light?? Sheeesh... invitation to an accident.
Can't get medical help in most places unless you can show insurance.
Can't even get taken to hospital in an ambulance or see a doctor without a huge fucking bill.


And they talk about freedoms?
Shit.... They'd die to live here with what we have and what's available.
They just have nooo fucking idea.

Oh, but they can't have their guns! oooh no... ain't allowed.
How fucking terrible. We are sooo subjucated and have no 'freedom'.
Soo fucking laughable it ain't even funny.

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