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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

I think my only reply will be to highlight your RACIST post - as if conservatives are the KKK.

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The KKK do want more black babies. Who else are they gonna use to fill up those prisons for profits?

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Of course you can call it bullshit. There are people who think your belief system is bullshit as well.
How can you not understand that choosing abstinence is not birth control but entirely belief (or faith) based?

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I have no misunderstanding about birth control. I probably understand it better than you. I have used just about every form of it available and have never once had an unwanted pregnancy or an STD.

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Might I suggest chastity belts for teen age girls?
Seriously, the debate about teaching abstinence only in sex ed has been going on for years. I think in addition to abstinence, other forms of birth control should be taught.

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2. that you can have a satisfying sexual life without rising a pregnancy, it looks pretty clear to me.

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3. odds of 1 in 10,000 is the same to die in a car crash but I think you drive notwithstanding this, and by the way 1 out of 10,000 is 0.01% ormonal contraceptive have a pregnancy risk of 0.02%.

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And if I am using condoms as my BC method and fail to wear one....

If you fail to wear one, you aren't using condoms as your method of birth control, now are you?

actually yes, statistics on faliure consider pregnancies from couples that choose that method and go on with their sex life than pregnancies are counted, so if they take the chances when having sex in a car with condoms at home than it is part f their yearly tipical use.

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And if I am using condoms as my BC method and fail to wear one....

If you fail to wear one, you aren't using condoms as your method of birth control, now are you?

Yes, just as much as a girl who says abstinence is her method and still gets pregnant.

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If you fail to wear one, you aren't using condoms as your method of birth control, now are you?

*face palm*
It's like I'm talking to the guy from Memento, do you really not remember any of the last 20 pages of the thread where you've been surrounded by people telling you yes that completely counts over and over?

1. Not having sex.
2. Having sex with a barrier method of birth control

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If you fail to wear one, you aren't using condoms as your method of birth control, now are you?

Condoms are tested by their manufacturers and the FDA assuring that they're at least 99.6% effective. http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/ComplianceManuals/CompliancePolicyGuidanceManual/ucm073902.htm
This of course is very different from ALL of the percentages you've talked about for condoms. Why is that, well predictably because humans are involved.

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Once again, there's an agenda here.

Someone who says: "Abstinence does not prevent pregnancy" is either living in fantasy land or they're a complete moron.

if you don't have sex, you can't get pregnant (rape aside, of course. I don't consider that "having sex").

There has been an agenda in this country for many years by the left to negate principles; they label them as "old views" or "outdated thinking" or (God forbid) "religious whacko-ism".

Yes, I believe that "abstinence ONLY" education is not going to work. There is always going to be a percentage of "rebellious" youth that will indulge in sexual activity. I'm living proof. I was a father before my 15th birthday.

However, I think it is a good idea to not completely remove the idea of abstinence from sex education programs. I think it's important for children to hear adults say (repeatedly): "The BEST way to prevent pregnancy and sexual disease is to NOT engage in sexual activity."

The left seems to want (and seems to have wanted for a long time) to remove any and all mention of abstinence from sex education programs and that is asinine.

Abstinence DOES prevent pregnancy. It is the ONLY method that is 100% effective but I think children should hear about the methods that are 99.9% effective, also. I think they should hear about the ones that are (?)77%(?) effective.

That's what's so different on the left. They want to promote dangerous behavior to advance their agenda. I'd like to prevent unplanned pregnancies.

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Plus you seem to have a fairly liberal view on this situation.

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2. that you can have a satisfying sexual life without rising a pregnancy, it looks pretty clear to me.

Who is challenging that?

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3. odds of 1 in 10,000 is the same to die in a car crash but I think you drive notwithstanding this, and by the way 1 out of 10,000 is 0.01% ormonal contraceptive have a pregnancy risk of 0.02%.

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And if I am using condoms as my BC method and fail to wear one....

If you fail to wear one, you aren't using condoms as your method of birth control, now are you?

actually yes, statistics on faliure consider pregnancies from couples that choose that method and go on with their sex life than pregnancies are counted, so if they take the chances when having sex in a car with condoms at home than it is part f their yearly tipical use.

Who the fuck cares about "yearly typical" use? If you are using a condom and it breaks, are you unconcerned because your typical use is going to do anything about this broken condom? Um, no.

If you abstain from sex, you aren't going to get pregnant more often than if you have sex.

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2. that you can have a satisfying sexual life without rising a pregnancy, it looks pretty clear to me.

Who is challenging that?

I don't know... you asked what was the point I told you

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3. odds of 1 in 10,000 is the same to die in a car crash but I think you drive notwithstanding this, and by the way 1 out of 10,000 is 0.01% ormonal contraceptive have a pregnancy risk of 0.02%.

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And if I am using condoms as my BC method and fail to wear one....

If you fail to wear one, you aren't using condoms as your method of birth control, now are you?

actually yes, statistics on faliure consider pregnancies from couples that choose that method and go on with their sex life than pregnancies are counted, so if they take the chances when having sex in a car with condoms at home than it is part f their yearly tipical use.

Who the fuck cares about "yearly typical" use? If you are using a condom and it breaks, are you unconcerned because your typical use is going to do anything about this broken condom? Um, no.
If you abstain from sex, you aren't going to get pregnant more often than if you have sex.

People that measure birth control efficacy cares as they use this as parameter... what other people are telling you is abstinence as birth control means to refuse intercourse when they desire it, whenever their mind is too weak and they think "fuck off I'll screw that bitch no matter what!" than it is a faliure in the abstinence method as the psicological barrier broke just like a defective condom, for a teen couple that doesn't use another birth control method this means odds 4:1 to breed.
When having sex me and my girlfriend pur condom broke (not if... it happened to me at 18), we went to her ginecologist that prescribed her morning after pill, this forced her to have mesturation before there could be fecondation, just to be clear that it is not as an abortion. She decided to switch to contracetive pill as birth control method of choice, we used codnoms again when she had to use medications that could affect pill efficency, no other ruptures happened during those intercourses. Some how we knew what to do and avoided a pregnancy... ah right we were told during sexual education classes that's how.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Once again, there's an agenda here.

Someone who says: "Abstinence does not prevent pregnancy" is either living in fantasy land or they're a complete moron.

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Of course you can call it bullshit. There are people who think your belief system is bullshit as well.
How can you not understand that choosing abstinence is not birth control but entirely belief (or faith) based?

Choosing to not have sex doesn't control pregnancies?!? Better tell WebMD and Planned Parenthood.

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I have no misunderstanding about birth control. I probably understand it better than you. I have used just about every form of it available and have never once had an unwanted pregnancy or an STD.

I guarantee you have used more forms of birth control than I. Being a male, there are fewer options for me to use. As far as the women I've been involved with, I think the pill is the only one any of them have been on. No, there was one that was on Depo. Other than those things and condoms, that's about it.

Choosing to not have sex is very effective in preventing getting pregnant. Can someone lose money in the stock market if they never invest their money in the stock market?

We agree that when you choose to have sex, it's best to use at least one form of barrier or chemical birth control. Of that, there is no question. But, if you choose to not have sex (abstaining), you won't be getting pregnant.

Just so you don't forget, I'm opposed to "abstinence only" sex education, preferring kids to be educated about how to protect themselves if they choose to have sex. Preventing pregnancy and greatly reducing the risk of STD transmission can be achieved by abstaining from sex, though.

I think you're missing the point that if you choose to abstain from sex, and then don't have sex, your previous choice to abstain won't prevent you from using other forms of birth control when you do choose to have sex.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

It was more the point of why you were pointing out that assertion when no one was questioning it.

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Why did she get the morning after pill? Wasn't a condom your chosen method of pregnancy prevention? Didn't your "typical use" mean she had an incredibly low risk of getting pregnant?

Would you have even considered going to her gynecologist for the morning after pill, if you hadn't had sex the night before? If abstinence from sex isn't an effective form of birth control, shouldn't you have been more apt to go?

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And, I have stated, many times in this thread, that I support comprehensive sex education classes and do not support "abstinence only" sex education classes.

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People decide for themselves what "having sex" means. WebMD cannot quantify a belief system.

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Choice is the whole point. Whatever you choose is your method of birth control no matter how well or not well you use it.
Part of the problem here is that you look at birth control the way most men do. All you have to do is put on a rubber so you can count each separate event as whether or not you were using birth control. I look at it the way most women do. For most BC methods we can't count every instance of sexual contact as using birth control or not using it. Every method I have ever used had to be already in place several days (to several weeks) ahead of any sexual activity and had to be used continuously (much like abstinence). So I am using the pill even if I skip a day. Skipping days is considered part of the way I use it and adds to or takes away from its effectiveness when it is evaluated.
All methods of birth control (even condoms) are evaluated this way. Not just if you use it, but how you use it. Improperly using contraceptives (skipping a day, putting it on wrong, or doing things that counteract it) are always counted as part of that contraceptive's failure rate. If you want to call abstinence birth control it has to be evaluated the same way every other method is evaluated. Those days you skip it or improperly use it or do things that counteract it are counted towards its failure rate. The same as every other form of birth control.
Now you may not evaluate it that way, but if you are going to accurately and scientifically try to compare it to other forms of birth control you cannot give it a different set of standards. It has to be evaluated by the same standards or there is no basis for comparison.
I believe one of the main reasons that abstinence education does not work is because they are trying to sell it as a birth control method rather than a belief system. As a birth control method it sucks. I believe it would have a much better success rate if they actually presented it as a wholistic belief system which is really what it takes for abstinence to work. It can't be something you choose to do. It has to the way you choose to live.

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It was more the point of why you were pointing out that assertion when no one was questioning it.

Gotsteel posted a message you asked what's the point I told you... you are welcome.

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Why did she get the morning after pill? Wasn't a condom your chosen method of pregnancy prevention? Didn't your "typical use" mean she had an incredibly low risk of getting pregnant?
Would you have even considered going to her gynecologist for the morning after pill, if you hadn't had sex the night before? If abstinence from sex isn't an effective form of birth control, shouldn't you have been more apt to go?

I think you are just being childish but let's answer that... the good thing about condoms is when they fail you know it, with a plan b it is an advantage, I don't know if my use was tipical I don't watch other couples fucking, I hope my use is more close to the perfect than the average one. By the way you missused "tipical use" in your sentence so I guess you have no clue what it means, I won't explain again read other precedent posts.
I sincerely don't understand what the point of the second part is, I mean the sex was worth it if that can answer your question... and I also have no clue what apt means I guess you didn't mean professional tennis association.

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And, I have stated, many times in this thread, that I support comprehensive sex education classes and do not support "abstinence only" sex education classes.

Yes and this is honourable but you go on adding things that somehow makes other people not to agree with you.

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So, using condom properly during sex still has a very small risk of resulting in pregnancy. You do realize that I quoted WebMD and a box of condoms, not for the exact % risk, and just as proof that there is still risk, right?