MsMJAY
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That's really your response? You claim it IS science, make a philosophical argument to prove it and then disparage the OP? Science is based on hypothesis (an educated guess concerning a specific outcome) and facts that are provable through experiment (testing the hypothesis to see if the outcome you guess is correct.) The only way abstinence could be even comparable to science is 1. to guess the outcome: which is no pregnancies or STD's will occur in people who say they use abstinence as birth control. 2. then test the outcome: count the number of pregnancies and STD's that occur in people who say they use abstinence as birth control. Science has proven that there is no statistical difference in the pregnancy/STD rates of teens who say they practice abstinence and those who say they do not. They are statistically the same except those practicing abstinence are less likely to use condoms or any other method of BC. So even if it was a science (which it is not), based on the scientific method it is a failure as a birth control method. quote:
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If you have sex, you are not abstaining from sex. If you have sex without protection, you are inviting pregnancy, STD's, etc. I think we all agree with that. Where we may disagree is, as the title of this thread points out..... abstinence is not a science. It is a philosophy and as such it obviously means different things to different people. Only the individual practicing it can say whether or not they are practicing abstinence. And they may well be practicing it according to their own philosophy. That's the error of teaching abstinence as birth control or STD prevention. One man's abstinence is another man's freak show. It's no different than when one Christian says that another person is not a "real Christian" ......by who's definition? If you're abstaining, then you're not having sex. Otherwise, you're not abstaining. Abstinence is scientific. If a penis doesn't go near your vagina, it's quite a bit more difficult to get pregnant. Since we know that penis-in-vagina intercourse, including male orgasm tends to lead to pregnancy, not doing that prevents pregnancy. That's based on science. As far as the OP's subject goes: you have to take that with a grain of salt, as the OP tends to hyperinflate and mislead. That's not to say he's the only one that does it, or that those that align with his views are the only ones, but it's not an uncommon practice for the OP. Plus, equating abstinence's success rate with the success rate of those whose education is "abstinence only" is disingenuous, at best. And, as I have said, I do not support "abstinence only" education, as it ignores the reality that every kid is going to abstain.
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