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How often does a Master usually put his slave into slav... - 2/23/2014 9:09:31 PM   
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Question for all Masters. Master Sirs, this slave obedientlaura has a serious question with regards to gorean BDSM and is confused about why so? feelings right now and for a while? Question: How often do you put your slave in a slave position? And is it done for any other reasons other than training and for "Master's amusement". This slave understands that it's none of her business as a slave to try to change her Master's position training frequency or his reasons. But this slave is very tired of the routine every morning, It's been going on for years now. And it has not changed. Does slave positions excite you every time, why? if you watched your slave take up positions each morning naked in the kitchen, How long before your excitement wanes away? Would you put your slave into position just out of habit that You have subconsciously developed?

My Master has been putting me in slave positions for years, early in the morning while he is having breakfast, Mostly, gorean ones like nadu, sula , sulaki, bara etc and Master has added a good number of his own positions that he has named for this slave to follow.

This has become our morning routine habit and its kind of become very boring and not sexually titillating any more. This slave has been broken into slave positions ages ago and can do the positions even if she is in a coma. My brain neurons have all been hardwired for the slave positions....(Sheesh; the positions all look identical! after a while and can be done without thinking)

This slave tried to discuss in the past about changing the morning routine a bit like every other day or so, but Master Husband has slapped this slave more than a few times she has tried to discuss the issue, recently, the punishment for asking about a change has changed, it has become she-sleen all weekends if asked, few whipping a few times for asking, and once Master Husband just stormed off with his golf clubs out the door. It's become impossible to discuss with Master Husband about the morning position training. Why is that so? Everything - almost everything else is open for discussion, but not position trainings.

This slave does not have any issues with practicing position training in the morning for her Master Husband, But she wishes that the mornings could be used for some romantic talks, discussion, just talking, watching the news, kindling romance etc..

this is what the mornings have become:
This slave gets down and prepares breakfast. she is not allowed to pee in the morning until Master's whistle, waits for her Master to come downstairs, while he is having breakfast and reading his newspaper, Master Husband puts this slave through a rigorous pace of slave positions, mostly custom variations on gorean positions for about 20 - 25 minutes, and then makes this slave wait for 10 minutes by the back door until he whistles for me to go and pee in a predetermined spot.

obediantlaura.

Thankyou for the reply Sirs. this slave has attached a pic of herself in sula position as a thankyou for reading and answering the question.




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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/23/2014 9:49:12 PM   
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Because the answer could be never, once a month, once a week, every night or 24/7.

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/23/2014 10:00:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		This something much more logically asked in the gorean section

However, I will say that "master husband" could endanger your health by refusing to let you relieve yourself when you get up in the morning or for any long period of time. It can wreak havoc on your kidneys. Is he aware of the medical dangers of doing this? Are you?

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/23/2014 10:51:30 PM   
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Reading and re-reading your post gives me the strong impression that you are not happy with your relationship full stop. You're in a rut, the romance is gone and he refuses to discuss the problems.

You both need to talk. Seriously. He may want to stomp out with his toys and go play with his friends, but he needs to face up to the bigger issues. Talk to him. Leave him a note. Throw off the slave silks and do something to get him to sit down and talk honestly with you about the cracks in your marriage.

Or he can continue to bury his head in the sand and you can continue to defer to his wishes and you will both continue to be unhappy and frustrated with each other and ultimately it won't end well for either of you.

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 12:02:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think he wants you to stop asking...
You would know better than me his possible motivation, since I don't know him.
I have to say, I personally like your idea of romantic things, but that's me.

His idea of romantic, may be having an obedient woman, follow his instructions... But I do see a problem with what you describe... And that's communication. I've been there, disregarding the wishes of my partner(s), and it doesn't end in a healthy mental state, the desire to submit plays against their needs for romantic connection when they aren't the same thing, and both suffer.
So the fact that he isn't picking up that there's a problem, may signify that he needs to learn that lesson...

Disregard the last thing I said as it's not something you can help him with.

So the way I see it you need to find ways of opening up communication, so that he sees you have needs for romantic time etc.
I actually can't get enough of these insights from my partners. I want to know every feeling and secret floating around in there, every desire, hope, fear... I want to know every part of what she is. Sometimes bordering on interrogation...

So in the absence of that... My opinion would be, you need to work out ways of better communicating needs and feelings in this relationship.

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 12:34:02 AM   
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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 12:54:23 AM   
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quote:

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This isn't just about slave positions, is it?


Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

I'm guessing if you felt loved, cared for, and important, and if you had some excitement in life and if you felt your feelings mattered, you would happily bend yourself into positions all day long.

I know that the Gorean philosophy puts a lot of emphasis on complete slavery with the slave having no right to object or question, but this isn't Gor, it's Earth. You're a human woman with human needs. It seems like this relationship is no longer meeting those needs. Your Master is foolish if he thinks that beating you every time you have a question will solve this problem. It will not. It will breed further resentment because the time has come to set aside roles and rules and talk to each other like two adults. If one of you is unhappy - even the lowly slave - the relationship is doomed.

You can have a strong and successful relationship with one partner always speaking in third person, averting her eyes, and striking poses at the breakfast table. You can not have a successful relationship without communication and making sure both people are fulfilled. You need to call a time out and ask for some serious communication as equals, without fear of reprisal for expressing your needs, and if he refuses, walk away. The point where you feel mistreated and he doesn't listen is the point where the dynamic is broken, and you begin to drift from consensual M/s into abuse.


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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 2:07:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Masters" who don't listen to their "slaves" often find themselves alone. There is clearly something bigger going on. It could be as simple as business is bad and he's distracted. It could be that his mother is dying. It could be he's depressed. It could be any one of a million things. But CLEARLY there is something more happening than a misunderstanding.

The one thing that SERIOUSLY flaps a red flag for me is that he slaps you when you ask a question. That, my dear, is abuse. He's not in control of his anger. He's storming out the door, making you do something that gets you "out of his hair" (she sleen), etc. Nothing wrong with a deeply interdependent relationship, but the fact that you are being punished for asking a question... that's a problem. And his behavior when you ask? Not cool.

At some point in your life, you were not in a Gorean relationship. And if you are MARRIED to the man, you aren't his slave, you're his companion. I suggest you act like it.

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 2:43:40 AM   
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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 4:33:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		What is so interesting about a master putting his slave into positions? That one's easy laura: he needs to see you debased on a regular basis in order to feel good about himself. It's an ego stroke.

Not allowing you to urinate until a hour or more after you get it is not good for your health, which makes it abusive.

Slapping you for asking a question is abusive.

Storming out and being emotionally unavailable to his wife of many years is abusive.

Making you wear a shock collar is abusive.

It's very common for abusers to have various ways they make their victim abase themselves so the abuser can feel better. Most domestic abuse is based on a deep sense of hatred and low self esteem that has never been addressed. The abuser sees him or her self as being very low, and it helps their ego to have someone that can put even lower.

Unfortunately, I fear the OP can't see that she is a victim of domestic abuse. As most of know this sort of thing is very insidious, and the she appears to have a deep internal enslavement that will make breaking away from the victim/abuser cycle very difficult.

Laura, I most strongly urge you to get professional help so that you can see your husband for what he really is, not a master but an abuser.

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 5:09:52 AM   
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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 6:30:21 AM   
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What is so interesting about a master putting his slave into positions? That one's easy laura: he needs to see you debased on a regular basis in order to feel good about himself. It's an ego stroke.


I can go along with that... Even though it seems like your choosing to see this situation in a bad light. I don't see anything wrong with a bit of ego stroking... Although too much can make you go blind, or so I hear.

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Not allowing you to urinate until a hour or more after you get it is not good for your health, which makes it abusive.


Well everyone's different, I personally haven't done this kind of 'house trained slave' type of ritual but too each his own. I have done some mild bladder control in the past but nothing regimented like this... The only thing I can agree on is that frequent bladder restrictions may be bad for you... Apart from that, I feel that calling it abusive is a stretch.
Not my kettle of fish sure... Best in moderation definitely. But abusive? Maybe in a worst case scenario, but it's seems a bit alarmist to me.

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Slapping you for asking a question is abusive.


I've come to see, through experience... That slapping in the heat of the moment isn't an appropriate response to anything.
Having said that, there was a time where I thought differently.
But even back then... Slapping in response to a question? Seems like a very low rate response...
Abusive? Quite possibly. Certainly not the best choice in leu of conversation...


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Storming out and being emotionally unavailable to his wife of many years is abusive.


I'm of a similar opinion to this, as my last point... While I don't find this behaviour inherently abusive... It's certainly not impressive and I think it shows there could be a lot of improvement in how this man handles things.

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Making you wear a shock collar is abusive.


I've read the OP a few times trying to find reference to that, to no avail?

It does paint an interesting picture in my mind however... Bladder control with a shock collar... Would be... Interesting, maybe more Kana's field of expertise.

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Unfortunately, I fear the OP can't see that she is a victim of domestic abuse. As most of know this sort of thing is very insidious, and the she appears to have a deep internal enslavement that will make breaking away from the victim/abuser cycle very difficult.


I'm not seeing that it's definitely domestic abuse, based on the scant one sided facts in the OP, how can you say it with such certainty?

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Laura, I most strongly urge you to get professional help so that you can see your husband for what he really is, not a master but an abuser.


The last thing I want to do is discourage someone in need of help from seeking it... Especially where domestic violence is concerned...
But I think this is very alarmist and somewhat unfounded.

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 6:54:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can have a relationship with bladder control and shock collars, and it not be abusive. I'm going to assume that both weighed up risks and consented to this (I wouldn't be unduly alarmed at holding urine for an hour after rising, but it's for each person to weigh up for themselves, no idea the risks associated with shock collars). You can have a non-abusive relationship in which no questions are allowed, and the known penalty for it is slapping. You can have a relationship where everything continues according to the initial set of rules, with no negotiation or adaptation, and it not be abusive.

However - at some point, as in the picture the OP is painting, circumstances are likely to change and the submissive may no longer getting his or her needs met. The submissive becomes miserable in the situation and that initial consent becomes a bit more vague and unclear. At this point, the very act of forbidding communication prevents the person suffering from making changes so it does in fact become abusive. The sub is now being forced into an unhappy situation against their will. So the whole slapping in response to questions thing is great and fine and not abusive... until suddenly, it is.

In ordinary circumstances she could say, 'I'm no longer happy with these rules, we need to talk' and it would only become abusive if the dominant refused a compromise/separation and instead compelled her to continue through violence/manipulation/other abusive techniques. But she's being denied that chance. Of course she can just up and leave, but we all know it's not that simple. I know I'd be frightened of reprisals if I was in the situation described.

This is why any sort of no-communication/no-rights agreement is doomed to failure. No chance to head off trouble before it takes root, and a high chance of it becoming an abusive situation if it turns out not to be the sexy dream they imagined.

Of course we can't say with certainty. It could be made up, or exaggerated, or grossly misrepresented. But based on the facts the OP presented I would argue it's abuse - not because of the acts they engage in, but because the OP no longer feels like she has a choice and violence is used when she tries to assert herself.

P.S. The shock collar is mentioned in her signature.

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 7:01:55 AM   
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I'm looking at the whole picture, and freely admit I find some things abusive that other's would not.

I'm assuming (maybe I'm wrong) the shock collar is around her neck, sorry that is just not somewhere I think it's good to go on a daily basis, same with the delayed urination, same with the immature emotional hissy fits when the subject of her being unhappy arise.

I know we only have her side, but I've been in a long term abusive relationship, and I think I know one we I see one. Then again, I could just be projecting.

The bottom line is that the OP is unhappy, and her master-husband doesn't appear to give a damn. Not a great recipe for continued relationship success.



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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 9:34:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

In ordinary circumstances she could say, 'I'm no longer happy with these rules, we need to talk' and it would only become abusive if the dominant refused a compromise/separation and instead compelled her to continue through violence/manipulation/other abusive techniques. But she's being denied that chance. Of course she can just up and leave, but we all know it's not that simple. I know I'd be frightened of reprisals if I was in the situation described.


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- almost everything else is open for discussion, but not position trainings.


The guy likes his position "training"... That's for sure, doesn't seem like it's open for discussion, but he seems to be open to discussing everything else?
I don't know what to make of that but if that's the guy she's with... Then that's who she's with, I can tell you I am definitely more demanding solely in the blow job department, and we haven't even made it to breakfast yet! And while it may be a terrible burden to endure... Unfortunately It goes with the territory.

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ORIGINAL: LeashedLaura

, recently, the punishment for asking about a change has changed, it has become she-sleen all weekends if asked,


Seems he is being communicative when setting out rules and punishments...
Whatever that case, there is obviously an issue that needs to be worked on. All relationships have problems and not many people are great at fixing them.

I don't like people slapping a BDSM type label on something that would otherwise be called abuse.
Though in this case I'm not feeling it... Certainly not from what's been said this far.

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 10:01:11 AM   
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This slave tried to discuss in the past about changing the morning routine a bit like every other day or so, but Master Husband has slapped this slave more than a few times she has tried to discuss the issue, recently, the punishment for asking about a change has changed, it has become she-sleen all weekends if asked, few whipping a few times for asking, and once Master Husband just stormed off with his golf clubs out the door. It's become impossible to discuss with Master Husband about the morning position training

I also see this as abusive.

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This slave gets down and prepares breakfast. she is not allowed to pee in the morning until Master's whistle

If this leads to bladder infections or other problems, it's abusive. It would certainly be a hard limit for me.

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 10:56:31 AM   
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I never owned anyone but played master/slave with 9 women over the last few years. I give them all 10 positions to remember, a contract to remember, a creed to remember and an email telling them how to dress and prepare for our meeting. It's a hot way to play. I see it as a non painful means of establishing who is the boss.

I see a slap as a mild form of physical punishment on step above SILENCE SLUT!

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 11:07:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aries you make a good point - I had overlooked what she said about other things being up for discussion because I got caught up in her descriptions of punishments for asking about this issue.

I still think punishing someone for being unhappy with an aspect of the relationship is destructive at best and can easily cross the line into abusive territory.

Abusive or not, I'm sure we can agree they need to discuss this issue as equals. At the very least, she's feeling pissed off with something which is clearly very important to him, and that's the sort of conflict that ends relationships. Though having her perform positions at breakfast might be trivial by some standards, if they can't find a compromise it's going to tear them apart.

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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 3:28:03 PM   
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What is so interesting about a master putting his slave into positions? That one's easy laura: he needs to see you debased on a regular basis in order to feel good about himself. It's an ego stroke.
That's what I was thinking too.

Not allowing you to urinate until a hour or more after you get it is not good for your health, which makes it abusive.
I think so. I was actually in an abusive relationship with a vanilla ex, and he wouldn't allow me to pee when I needed to and I'd have to regularly hold it for at least an hour or two before allowed to "go." I had to go to the doctor multiple times to be "dilated" w/ instruments, because I'd ended up w/ urethral strictures and unable to go(very painful!), which is very bad for your health and kidneys.

Slapping you for asking a question is abusive.
I think so. How is slapping her face instead of actually communicating with her going to help anything?

Storming out and being emotionally unavailable to his wife of many years is abusive.
I agree. Been there, done that.

Making you wear a shock collar is abusive.
Is that even safe??

It's very common for abusers to have various ways they make their victim abase themselves so the abuser can feel better. Most domestic abuse is based on a deep sense of hatred and low self esteem that has never been addressed. The abuser sees him or her self as being very low, and it helps their ego to have someone that can put even lower.
Agreed.

Unfortunately, I fear the OP can't see that she is a victim of domestic abuse. As most of know this sort of thing is very insidious, and the she appears to have a deep internal enslavement that will make breaking away from the victim/abuser cycle very difficult.
I also don't think she even realizes it's abusive. That's how a lot of domestic abuse goes on for so long, the abused person doesn't even realize she or he is being abused. And/or the victim has been convinced that it's her/his own fault s/he's being treated that way.



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RE: How often does a Master usually put his slave into ... - 2/24/2014 4:01:23 PM   
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Although Aries puts up a good defense, most seem to fall on the side of abuse rather than BDSM.
I think the reasoning behind that is that it appears that the dominant is not considering his slave or her well-being in general.
IMHO, that's where the line is crossed between a BDSM issue and abuse.


To the OP: if you can't get your master to sit down and discuss this activity without being physically abused, it's seriously time to be considering leaving.
I also think you need to tell your master that this is an option now on the table - ie, listen or he is going to lose his slave, permanently.
If he can't face the issue that is causing you so much angst without flying off the handle.... time to walk.




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