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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 9:48:25 AM

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A lot.

Can you flesh that out a bit? It sounds as if Westbrook wasn't making much headway in his effort to enter the house. As long as he was outside and Hendrix was inside, what was the threat? And if Hendrix felt threatened, why venture out into the dark to confront a stranger?

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Haven't seen you in awhile, does this mean you are doing better?

About the same, though I've finally gotten some decent pain management. Next adventure is scheduling what I hope will be my final surgery. Thanks for asking!

In these situations 11 minutes feels like an hour, was he supposed to just cower in his house and hope
Westbrook didn't set fire to it or something.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:04:56 AM

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Bama I can't believe responsible gun owners are defending this yahoo... I was not like they woke up with an armed burglar in their house...It was not as if the door was broken down... there was no threat to this man and his wife. If he called the police he should have waited until they came or until the man tried to force his way in the home and he and his wife were in true danger. No he wanted to confront this man and shoot him.

This is the type of crime that the NRA should be against as well as any responsible gun owner... because if this keeps up eventually there will be more gun laws and it will be their own fault.

Butch

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:18:05 AM

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Bama I can't believe responsible gun owners are defending this yahoo... I was not like they woke up with an armed burglar in their house...It was not as if the door was broken down... there was no threat to this man and his wife. If he called the police he should have waited until they came or until man tried to force his way in the home and he and his wife were in true danger. No he wanted to confront this man and shoot him.

This is the type of crime that the NRA should be against as well as any responsible gun owner... because if this keeps up eventually there will be more gun laws and it will be their own fault.

Butch

Nonsense, Butch. From the reports as I've seen them, this is a clean shooting. Cops get cleared on less every damn day.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:22:56 AM

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I am not saying he will be charged with a crime... only that he committed one he will get away with... There was no excuse to confront and kill this man.

As I've said... if he had tried to break in the home then "I" would have blown him away in that situation... but that did not happen.

The police were not given a chance to handle this... the yahoo took a life needlessly. Even if this had been a true burglar he still would not have been justified in killing unless he and or his wife or property was in danger.

Butch

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:38:13 AM

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I am not saying he will be charged with a crime... only that he committed one he will get away with... There was no excuse to confront and kill this man.

As I've said... if he had tried to break in the home then "I" would have blown him away in that situation... but that did not happen.

The police were not given a chance to handle this... the yahoo took a life needlessly. Even if this had been a true burglar he still would not have been justified in killing unless he and or his wife or property was in danger.

Butch

And I'm saying "nonsense," Butch. Bordering right up on "bullshit." The cops were called, but apparently there was a line at the donut shop. Someone tried to gain entry through the front door, then headed around the back, and failed to respond to a verbal challenge from the lawful resident of the home.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:43:55 AM

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A lot.

Can you flesh that out a bit? It sounds as if Westbrook wasn't making much headway in his effort to enter the house. As long as he was outside and Hendrix was inside, what was the threat? And if Hendrix felt threatened, why venture out into the dark to confront a stranger?

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Haven't seen you in awhile, does this mean you are doing better?

About the same, though I've finally gotten some decent pain management. Next adventure is scheduling what I hope will be my final surgery. Thanks for asking!

In these situations 11 minutes feels like an hour, was he supposed to just cower in his house and hope
Westbrook didn't set fire to it or something.

I have this awesome device in my home. It's called a telephone. And I even know the number for 911.

Yeah, you'll spew some bullshit about response time. Sorry services suck where you live. Maybe work on that.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:44:43 AM

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I am not saying he will be charged with a crime... only that he committed one he will get away with... There was no excuse to confront and kill this man.

As I've said... if he had tried to break in the home then "I" would have blown him away in that situation... but that did not happen.

The police were not given a chance to handle this... the yahoo took a life needlessly. Even if this had been a true burglar he still would not have been justified in killing unless he and or his wife or property was in danger.

Butch

Actually he tried to break in the front then went around back for another try.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:47:04 AM

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A lot.

Can you flesh that out a bit? It sounds as if Westbrook wasn't making much headway in his effort to enter the house. As long as he was outside and Hendrix was inside, what was the threat? And if Hendrix felt threatened, why venture out into the dark to confront a stranger?

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Haven't seen you in awhile, does this mean you are doing better?

About the same, though I've finally gotten some decent pain management. Next adventure is scheduling what I hope will be my final surgery. Thanks for asking!

In these situations 11 minutes feels like an hour, was he supposed to just cower in his house and hope
Westbrook didn't set fire to it or something.

I have this awesome device in my home. It's called a telephone. And I even know the number for 911.

Yeah, you'll spew some bullshit about response time. Sorry services suck where you live. Maybe work on that.

They called 911.
Last time I called 911 I got the county, they had to transfer me to the city, it took 20 minutes for the cops to get there
and I live one block from the station.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:48:30 AM

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There was no excuse to confront and kill this man.

The excuse is impaired judgment -- now a complete self defense to murder. Better a murderer be acquitted than gun owners feel inhibited from "packing" and being trigger-happy during a confrontation.

Three people have been killed in incidents related to:

(1) Walking home in your own neighborhood with skittles in your pocket.

(2) Being a passenger in a car with loud music.

(3) Carrying a flashlight while suffering from dementia.

Owner pretty much nailed the situation when he penned:

This fuck-up could have killed a baby holding a sippy-cup and the reaction from our gunuteria would be the same.....

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:48:59 AM

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No he tried the door... There was no danger...No kicking in... no shoulder against the door. There is just no way to justify this shooting.

Butch

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:52:48 AM

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There was no excuse to confront and kill this man.

The excuse is impaired judgment -- now a complete self defense to murder. Better a murderer be acquitted than gun owners feel inhibited from "packing" and being trigger-happy during a confrontation.

Three people have been killed in incidents related to:

(1) Walking home in your own neighborhood with skittles in your pocket.

(2) Being a passenger in a car with loud music.

(3) Carrying a flashlight while suffering from dementia.

Owner pretty much nailed the situation when he penned:

This fuck-up could have killed a baby holding a sippy-cup and the reaction from our gunuteria would be the same.....

1 Trying to beat a guy up and picking the wrong guy.
2 convicted
3 clear case of self defense

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:55:35 AM

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What was it pitch black outside? I cannot understand trying to see someone in my own yard and being unable to distinguish that he's a lost, old man.

Rather conveniently this frail, cold, gentle dementia victim -- was described as: "coming at me" with "something in his hand."

Because the victim is dead, there is no one to corroborate or verify what actually happened. We can now count on every murderer to claim a SYG defense, especially when there are no witnesses about. We have three dead men so far guilty of:

(1) Walking home in your own neighborhood with skittles in your pocket.

(2) Being a passenger in a car with loud music.

(3) Carrying a flashlight while suffering from dementia.

And no murder convictions.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 10:59:08 AM

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What was it pitch black outside? I cannot understand trying to see someone in my own yard and being unable to distinguish that he's a lost, old man.

Rather conveniently this frail, cold, gentle dementia victim -- was described as: "coming at me" with "something in his hand."

Because the victim is dead, there is no one to corroborate or verify what actually happened. We can now count on every murderer to claim a SYG defense, especially when there are no witnesses about. We have three dead men so far guilty of:

(1) Walking home in your own neighborhood with skittles in your pocket.

(2) Being a passenger in a car with loud music.

(3) Carrying a flashlight while suffering from dementia.

And no murder convictions.

1 Trying to beat up the wrong guy
2 shooter will spend the rest of his life in jail and will be retried for murder
3 totally justified.

Where did you find out that he was a gentle harmless man that's only in your presumption.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 11:00:22 AM

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Here is the story by other reporting links...

First... the man at the door repeatedly" RANG THE DOOR BELL AND KNOCKED" Does this sound like he was breaking in... yea burglars always ring the doorbell.

Second... "Hendrix's fiancee called 911, WHILE Hendrix grabbed his .40-caliber handgun, went outside and confronted the unknown man in the dark. If she called WHILE he is getting his gun and walking out the back door to confront the man does this sound to you like time was given for the police to respond?

I call bullshit on this one.

Butch

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 11:03:48 AM

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No he tried the door... There was no danger...No kicking in... no shoulder against the door. There is just no way to justify this shooting.

Butch

BULL... wait for it... SHIT.

You and the gundiot gang are playing with hindsight, which is a nifty luxury not available to the person dealing with an intruder in the dark.

The basis of the castle doctrine is that the law doesn't get to second guess the decisions of a lawful resident dealing with an intruder. It goes for internet whiners as well.

Clean shooting. Case closed. Get over it. If somebody decides to keep the Alzheimer's patient at home, keep track of them. If someone is to blame, it's the family of the dead guy.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 11:06:28 AM

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Here is the story by other reporting links...

First... the man at the door repeatedly" RANG THE DOOR BELL AND KNOCKED" Does this sound like he was breaking in... yea burglars always ring the doorbell.

Actually, it's incredibly common.

Burglars frequently ring the doorbell to see if anyone is at home.
If someone answers then they will either apologize for being at the wrong house and go elsewhere to steal or commence a home invasion.

If the bell is unanswered, then it is assumed no one is home and it is safe to kick it in and commence burgling.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 11:07:43 AM

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First... the man at the door repeatedly" RANG THE DOOR BELL AND KNOCKED" Does this sound like he was breaking in... yea burglars always ring the doorbell.

Actually, that is a common tactic for home invasion attacks. They want to get the resident right next to the door, before smashing it open and overpowering the victim.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 11:20:21 AM

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But... there was NO attempt to break in so there was NO excuse to confront and kill... The police would have taken care of the situation if given a chance.

Let me tell you a story... Many years ago as a young man I had a job with my local municipality. One blizzard on a deserted country road... long after midnight... my truck broke down. Back before cell phones and even radios in trucks I had little choice but to hike up a framers road and knock on the door to use their phone. It was very cold and I was in danger of exposure if I did not get help.

I had to knock and knock...and knock some more before through the door I heard the farmer ask who it was. Yes I asked him to call a number for me... I did not ask to come in... He did i survived... But if knocking on the door was an excuse to kill I would not be telling this story.

Butch

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 11:21:04 AM

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A lot.

Can you flesh that out a bit? It sounds as if Westbrook wasn't making much headway in his effort to enter the house. As long as he was outside and Hendrix was inside, what was the threat? And if Hendrix felt threatened, why venture out into the dark to confront a stranger?

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Haven't seen you in awhile, does this mean you are doing better?

About the same, though I've finally gotten some decent pain management. Next adventure is scheduling what I hope will be my final surgery. Thanks for asking!

In these situations 11 minutes feels like an hour, was he supposed to just cower in his house and hope
Westbrook didn't set fire to it or something.

YES!
Stay in the house with the weapon loaded. If he actually broke in then shoot.

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RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers - 3/2/2014 11:23:53 AM

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Yep... as a shooter shooting someone coming through a known location like a door is far more desirable then confronting someone outside with darkness and cover.

Butch

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