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Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 1:14:44 PM

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The stupid notion of some people that racism and Islamophobia are two seperate things is laughable. While some have tried to explain this away by saying race is about colour, it isnt, it is also about type, culture and ethnicity. Racists dont usually ask an asian if he is Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Sikh etc before he assaults them or fires a volley of verbal abuse. The racist just assumes all are the same, because they are different. So called Islamophobes love to do this, because it gives them the feeling of "I am not a racist" well old bean, you surely are, just as eggs are eggs. FGM is often brought up by Islamophobes, are you aware that just fifty years ago GFM was used by US doctors as a cure ? Yes it was wrong and I know it was stopped, but 50 years isnt long ago in the history of the Earth. The majority of enlightened Muslims know terrorism and child abuse is wrong, so lets stop putting them all in the same box, it serves no purpose.

Read the following and do some thinking http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steve-rose/911-racism-islamophobia_b_3908411.html

I have been called an Islamopologist by some for stating the above, yet I have also stated I am okay with the use of drones on known terrorists.

RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 1:20:01 PM

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Do you similarly believe that Naziphobia is also racism

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 1:26:01 PM

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WHY am I not surprised?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 1:30:13 PM

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Do you similarly believe that Naziphobia is also racism

I dont even think Naziphobia is a word.

But yes, if you see all Germans as nazis, thats racist, and that is exaclty how Islamophobics see all Muslims.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 1:31:18 PM

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Do you similarly believe that Naziphobia is also racism

Usually, a 'phobe' has an opposite, a 'phile', so I'm scratching my head wondering are there any Naziphiles out there? You know, it was all just a bit of fun and providing you weren't Jewish, a gypsy, a Slav or a homosexual and you didn't mind these people watching every second of your existence then they weren't a bad lot really.

Except, the Nazis made racial doctrine as their reason for being, it underpinned their entire domestic and foreign policy; whereas the muslim bloke down the street isn't thinking that he's in a war of extermination with the white bloke next door.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 1:58:35 PM

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There has to be some genetics in “racism’s” DNA, some DNA in its gene pool, or it just isn’t racism.

Islam is not a race. Detesting Islam is not racist. There is nothing in Islam which genetically compels either slightly tanned Palestinians or totally white English reverts to pray toward Mecca five times daily, to self-detonate in crowded squares and movie theaters, to find offense in just about everything, nor even to clitorectomize their women. Flash alert: Lysenko was wrong. Dipshits.

Screaming “Racism! Raaaacissssm!” on the part of a white liberal, when the matter in question has no DNA in its gene pool, no genetics in its DNA , is the surest proof that said white liberal is genetically defective. And a dipshit. And it’s not racist to point this out.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 2:02:30 PM

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Doesn't matter to me who is racist, who is misunderstood and who screams racist.

All I'm saying is the Nazis made racial doctrine as their reason for existence, and even the least objective of people can surely see this is not the case with Islam.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 2:06:36 PM

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Do you similarly believe that Naziphobia is also racism

Usually, a 'phobe' has an opposite, a 'phile', so I'm scratching my head wondering are there any Naziphiles out there? You know, it was all just a bit of fun and providing you weren't Jewish, a gypsy, a Slav or a homosexual and you didn't mind these people watching every second of your existence then they weren't a bad lot really.

Except, the Nazis made racial doctrine as their reason for being, it underpinned their entire domestic and foreign policy; whereas the muslim bloke down the street isn't thinking that he's in a war of extermination with the white bloke next door.

Yes there are Naziphiles, I think we call them "skin heads."

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 2:14:22 PM

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Do you similarly believe that Naziphobia is also racism

Usually, a 'phobe' has an opposite, a 'phile', so I'm scratching my head wondering are there any Naziphiles out there? You know, it was all just a bit of fun and providing you weren't Jewish, a gypsy, a Slav or a homosexual and you didn't mind these people watching every second of your existence then they weren't a bad lot really.

Except, the Nazis made racial doctrine as their reason for being, it underpinned their entire domestic and foreign policy; whereas the muslim bloke down the street isn't thinking that he's in a war of extermination with the white bloke next door.

Yes there are Naziphiles, I think we call them "skin heads."

The original English skinheads (late 1960s) weren't 'Naziphiles', and some of these lads were black. They were mods by and large and had nothing to do with racism or 'Nazism'.

There was a skinhead revival in the early 1980s and these lads were racist and missed the point because they were thick as mince but it lasted a couple of years and that was that.

But, even that lot weren't 'Naziphiles', they just had no brains and were monumentally misguided.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 2:36:01 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_skinhead

There is a quick wiki about it.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 2:49:33 PM

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All I'm saying is the Nazis made racial doctrine as their reason for existence, and even the least objective of people can surely see this is not the case with Islam.

Actually, that's partly true, although they hated both other races and at least one religion.
Muslims make religious doctrine (aka hatred of other religions) their raison d'etre.
They are not necessarily any more racist than I am.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 2:55:48 PM

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Muslims make religious doctrine (aka hatred of other religions) their raison d'etre.

Do they? Is this on record somewhere?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 3:03:34 PM

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Muslims make religious doctrine (aka hatred of other religions) their raison d'etre.

Do they? Is this on record somewhere?

Yes. The record is called the Koran.
And the NYT and the Washington Post and Fox News.... generally just "current events"

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 3:06:15 PM

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Muslims make religious doctrine (aka hatred of other religions) their raison d'etre.

Do they? Is this on record somewhere?

Surely you jest.

Yes it is on record. Here are a few:

Quran (9:73) - O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination

Quran (66:9) - O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end.

Quran (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Quran (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

Quran (4:52) - Those (Christians) are they whom Allah hath cursed...

Quran (4:47) - O you (Jews) who have been given the Book! believe that which We have revealed, verifying what you have, before We alter faces then turn them on their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violaters of the Sabbath, and the command of Allah shall be executed.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 3:12:38 PM

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Yes. The record is called the Koran.

Then why is it that muslims promote Islam as a religion of peace?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 3:17:18 PM

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Then why is it that muslims promote Islam as a religion of peace?

Oh gee. That's a toughie NG. Lemme see. Oh wow. Gee.
Could it be the same reason that The KKK says they are "committed to a non-violent resolution. "?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 3:21:04 PM

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Usually, a 'phobe' has an opposite, a 'phile', so I'm scratching my head wondering are there any Naziphiles out there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 3:21:30 PM

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Then why is it that muslims promote Islam as a religion of peace?

Oh gee. That's a toughie NG. Lemme see. Oh wow. Gee.
Could it be the same reason that The KKK says they are "committed to a non-violent resolution. "?

Who knows, mate, but certainly it can be argued that the bible promotes violence, and certainly has been used many a time to justify a war.

My only point is that Islam is no more or less inherently violent than Christianity.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 3:22:34 PM

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The stupid notion of some people that racism and Islamophobia are two seperate things is laughable. While some have tried to explain this away by saying race is about colour, it isnt, it is also about type, culture and ethnicity. Racists dont usually ask an asian if he is Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Sikh etc before he assaults them or fires a volley of verbal abuse. The racist just assumes all are the same, because they are different. So called Islamophobes love to do this, because it gives them the feeling of "I am not a racist" well old bean, you surely are, just as eggs are eggs. FGM is often brought up by Islamophobes, are you aware that just fifty years ago GFM was used by US doctors as a cure ? Yes it was wrong and I know it was stopped, but 50 years isnt long ago in the history of the Earth. The majority of enlightened Muslims know terrorism and child abuse is wrong, so lets stop putting them all in the same box, it serves no purpose.

Read the following and do some thinking http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steve-rose/911-racism-islamophobia_b_3908411.html

I have been called an Islamopologist by some for stating the above, yet I have also stated I am okay with the use of drones on known terrorists.

This is utterly foolish and, worse, incorrect. Racism is based on prejudice or behavior against someone due to certain characteristics over which they have no control. If I hate someone because they have an eyebrow piercing, that is not racism. It's pretty damned stupid but it's not racist. They chose the eyebrow piercing. If I hate a woman who wears only pink, that's pretty damned stupid too, but it's not racism. Islam is not a genetic characteristic. It is chosen. If you are born into it, you can repudiate it or at least, since you may not want to be killed as an apostate, you may in your own mind simply disbelieve it. When there is nothing genetic or congenital involved, there cannot be any racism.

Muslims also are not racist. They are anti-reason. Anyone who wishes to bathe with them in the filth of pure irrational faith and ultra-violence and nihilism is welcome, even Jews who renounce.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 8/31/2014 3:24:09 PM

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Do you similarly believe that Naziphobia is also racism

I dont even think Naziphobia is a word.

But yes, if you see all Germans as nazis, thats racist, and that is exaclty how Islamophobics see all Muslims.

"German" is not a belief system. Nazism is. Islam is also a belief system. One chosen and one as pernicious as Nazism. Many Muslims, in fact, admire Hitler. Some pan-Arabists, also.

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