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thompsonx -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 9:10:08 AM)


ORIGINAL: bossman777

I've been self employed for almost 30 years. My business provides at least one job: mine (plus a few others for people I've hired now and then).

You hired a neighbor kid to mow the lawn?

I just want you to know that some here find your comments insightful and thoughtful. Keep it up.

It would make sense that a right wing asshole would find the comments of another right wing asshole to be insightful and thoughtful[8|]

History proves you're spot on with your original post. The endgame with socialists/communists/fascists is always the same: slavery, poverty, and death. Everytime and everywhere it's been tried.


Why do you think russia would be better off under the tsar than they are now?
Why do you think cuba would be better off under batista than they are now?
Why do you think that china would be better off under the kuomintang than they are now?


Unfortunately too many people, like in this thread, have no ability to match the rhetoric they hear--which sounds good--to the reality it brings later. They haven't studied history enough.

It would appear, from your post ,that your knowledge of history would profit from having access to a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade.




thompsonx -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 9:11:27 AM)


ORIGINAL: BamaD


It was a lie, told to make her look tough.


Not a whole lot diferent than your stories about your gunslinging adventures.[8|]



thompsonx -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 9:14:15 AM)

ORIGINAL: BamaD

interest is not the result of labor but rather of savings.

The interest paid on a car loan or credit card or mortgage is the result of savings[8|]?


Then tax all personal income at the same rate, regardless of source.
(social security and military retirement aside)

In short tax everyone but you?[8|]




thompsonx -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 10:11:18 AM)


ORIGINAL: BamaD

Capital gains are a division of profits, after taxes,

On the corporation



so the money returned to investors has already been taxed.

The money earned by the investor has not been taxed. If the corporation took that money and bought a widget would not the widget be subject to sales tax and the profit to the widget seller be taxable?







thompsonx -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 10:18:24 AM)

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

FR

Why even give Hillary the free advertising?

When President Obama is finished destroying any confidence at all among the American people in the competence of government of tie it's own shoes, much less to tell us how to tie ours, the entire Democrat brand will be dead for a generation.


This sounds a lot like what you had to say during the last two election cycles. So far you seem to be batting zero.



Musicmystery -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 11:17:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


I think the phrase that "business creates jobs" is a bit of a misnomer and doesn't accurately describe the actual process which takes place. It's more of a tired-out slogan that the Reaganites used to peddle - but aren't finding as many zealous devotees as they once did. As the Cold War generation ages and dies out, there will probably less and less of those kinds of slogans and the ideas they represent. Their rhetoric has already become stale and fossilized.


Only to be replaced by deep thinkers such as Hillary and Barack?

[img]http://cdn2.godfatherpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/money-tree.jpg[/img]

Or the Republican's magic money theory -- cut taxes and the money flows in and mysteriously pays for everything . . .

. . . except that it never happens. But having the facts against them doesn't seem to influence their thinking.



Zonie63 -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 11:18:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zonie63


I think the phrase that "business creates jobs" is a bit of a misnomer and doesn't accurately describe the actual process which takes place. It's more of a tired-out slogan that the Reaganites used to peddle - but aren't finding as many zealous devotees as they once did. As the Cold War generation ages and dies out, there will probably less and less of those kinds of slogans and the ideas they represent. Their rhetoric has already become stale and fossilized.


Only to be replaced by deep thinkers such as Hillary and Barack?

[img]http://cdn2.godfatherpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/money-tree.jpg[/img]


Do you ever have anything of any substance to bring to a discussion, or is this the best you can do?



Musicmystery -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 11:19:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Capital gains are a division of profits, after taxes, so the money returned to investors has already been taxed. That should be simple enough for even you to understand.

Wrong as always.

Capital gains are just another form of income. In many cases they are the direct product of the persons labor and should therefor be treated exactly like any other income (so called carried interest for instance).

interest is not the result of labor but rather of savings.
Though I know you will
A not understand this
and
B disagree even if you do
I would favor eliminating corporate taxes because
A it would eliminate the double taxation factor
and
B corporations do not pay taxes, they collect them

Then tax all personal income at the same rate, regardless of source.
(social security and military retirement aside)

I see your point, technically, but there are those who spend considerable time, even full time, researching and managing their investments -- certainly that takes labor. Others hirer advisers, who supply this laborious service.

Still others -- just hope for the best. Granted, those hooked on hopium don't have much labor invested.



GoddessManko -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 11:49:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Capital gains are a division of profits, after taxes, so the money returned to investors has already been taxed. That should be simple enough for even you to understand.

Wrong as always.

Capital gains are just another form of income. In many cases they are the direct product of the persons labor and should therefor be treated exactly like any other income (so called carried interest for instance).


To the bolded part, I simply HAVE to ask. Are you serious? [8|]



thompsonx -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 12:18:23 PM)


ORIGINAL: GoddessManko


To the bolded part, I simply HAVE to ask. Are you serious? [8|]


If the govt. is going to tax incomes would it not make sense that all income be taxed or just the income of hourly labor?



Sanity -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/29/2014 8:30:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Or the Republican's magic money theory -- cut taxes and the money flows in and mysteriously pays for everything . . .

. . . except that it never happens. But having the facts against them doesn't seem to influence their thinking.


Or the leftists, who say whatever the question, free government money is the answer

VS the Tea Party, who seek to cut our government overlords down to size



Musicmystery -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/30/2014 3:36:08 AM)

...while figuring that essential services will just magically pay for themselves.

It's not accident Reagan and Bush II exploded the deficit. Just keep spending, and wish for magic money.



Sanity -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/30/2014 5:43:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

...while figuring that essential services will just magically pay for themselves.

It's not accident Reagan and Bush II exploded the deficit. Just keep spending, and wish for magic money.


Essential services, like $11 million spent on luxury private jets for DOJ political appointees?

Or the IRS employee conferences, which cost taxpayers $49 million?

Debating leftist propaganda vs. past presidents might make for a good discussion, but in another thread

Especially since you keep complaining if a thread isn't on topic










Lucylastic -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/30/2014 8:23:39 AM)

Amazing that there are no waste lists from their own side
Oh wait, no its not.
What about 52 repeals of obama care, or shutting down the government, or suing the president, or all the "scandal committees"
Health laws that have gone to how many courts and put in place only to be found unconstitutional, yanno drug testing, abortion laws, health clinic laws, voter ID laws, not to mention all the cuts, taken but put on another bill or five.
Of course these cost nothing and are so important as to be ignored for factual possibility.



Sanity -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/30/2014 9:47:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Amazing that there are no waste lists from their own side
Oh wait, no its not.
What about 52 repeals of obama care, or shutting down the government, or suing the president, or all the "scandal committees"
Health laws that have gone to how many courts and put in place only to be found unconstitutional, yanno drug testing, abortion laws, health clinic laws, voter ID laws, not to mention all the cuts, taken but put on another bill or five.
Of course these cost nothing and are so important as to be ignored for factual possibility.


The reason we did away with your king and went to our three separate branches of elected representatives instead, is that many here actually prefer that laws be fair and vigorously contested (rather than dictated to us), and we see this process as an actual essential service of government

As opposed to, say, IRS goons wasting tens of millions partying in Las Vegas, that sort of thing



Lucylastic -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/30/2014 10:00:18 AM)

he wasnt MY king... as I havent been alive for 240 years but beside that.
The past 240 years of your own countries history proves " many here actually prefer that laws be fair and vigorously contested (rather than dictated to us), and we see this process as an actual essential service of government " is pure bollocks. If it had a grain of truth to it, the "tea" party, would have been started a hundred years ago, or at least in the 80s... that its only a 2008 birth from the right shows just how much of it is a lie




Sanity -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/30/2014 10:25:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

he wasnt MY king... as I havent been alive for 240 years but beside that.
The past 240 years of your own countries history proves " many here actually prefer that laws be fair and vigorously contested (rather than dictated to us), and we see this process as an actual essential service of government " is pure bollocks. If it had a grain of truth to it, the "tea" party, would have been started a hundred years ago, or at least in the 80s... that its only a 2008 birth from the right shows just how much of it is a lie




?

Laws have always been contested here, especially infringements on liberty such as excessive taxation and overly burdensome government dictates



DomKen -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/30/2014 10:41:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Capital gains are a division of profits, after taxes, so the money returned to investors has already been taxed. That should be simple enough for even you to understand.

Wrong as always.

Capital gains are just another form of income. In many cases they are the direct product of the persons labor and should therefor be treated exactly like any other income (so called carried interest for instance).

interest is not the result of labor but rather of savings.
Though I know you will
A not understand this
and
B disagree even if you do
I would favor eliminating corporate taxes because
A it would eliminate the double taxation factor
and
B corporations do not pay taxes, they collect them

Then tax all personal income at the same rate, regardless of source.
(social security and military retirement aside)

You don't know what carried interest is so your entire post is meaningless. Look the term up and then try again.



DomKen -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/30/2014 10:44:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Capital gains are a division of profits, after taxes, so the money returned to investors has already been taxed. That should be simple enough for even you to understand.

Wrong as always.

Capital gains are just another form of income. In many cases they are the direct product of the persons labor and should therefor be treated exactly like any other income (so called carried interest for instance).


To the bolded part, I simply HAVE to ask. Are you serious? [8|]

Another person who doesn't know what the term carried interest means. This is why the very wealthy have managed to pull off such a monumental theft and get away with it. Get educated on finance and then maybe we can have a serious conversation on the subject.



Lucylastic -> RE: Let Your Far-Left Freak Flag Fly (10/30/2014 10:45:32 AM)

Laws are contested in most civilised countries, you are hardly the first or the last OR the best.
Burdensome dictates? taxation and overreach is the be all and end all of your problems? and its only happened in the past 6 years? yeah I call reeking sputum spores on that
You...really need to get a look at what people like you consider perfectly alright when it comes to what YOU want government to do. in the name of public health/safety or not. Human rights? not so much.
of course its only the left that treat the constitution like shit.
LMAO
for example the two facedness of this post says it all
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4745427



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