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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/1/2015 6:33:05 AM

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Actually, making any sort of extensive search on a particular person beyond reasonable cursory glance is actually 'stalking'. If that can be shown in a court of law, you'd better have some good lawyers to keep you out of jail.

When it comes to my work email, I screen A LOT but it's pretty essential, for example if a client's email has been hacked and I reply with sensitive information, I might not be technically at fault but you wanna bet that I'd lose a client, possibly have reputational damage, worst case scenario they're trying to sue me, even if that isn't going anywhere, it's expensive and time consuming and - again - pretty awful for the professional reputation.

Personally I couldn't care less if they send me an email from the biggest brothel on the planet while indulging in an orgy and substances while swinging from chandeliers, they're freaking adults, but from a professional point of view, I have to care, so I will look at the email and if the location seems off, call them to verify nobody has accessed their account.

There are plenty of reasons to look at the location of the sender, however if I would have to geo-track my OH, I would take that as an indication that something is so wrong in the relationship and I wouldn't want to be in a relationship that is not based on trust.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/1/2015 6:48:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: Oleo

Dude is a perfectly good word.

I know it is.
Try telling that to crumpets who hadn't heard of it

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/1/2015 7:00:39 AM

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If I use the word "zombie" in a personal ad, what would I expect differently about the results?

My two cents is to say that you and I may have missed the boat on this one, unless you are into gaming.

It has to do with zombie-themed video games. Or perhaps those (of any age) who get into "The Walking Dead" types of shows, etc.

If some dude starts talking zombies or zombie apocalypse in his messages, it would be a huge FAIL, as far as I'm concerned.

But please, by all means, start including zombie references in your panoply of experimental profiles, now that you have picked up on another trail scent to start sniffing down like a (zombie) bloodhound.

DreamLady

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2nd Edit - crumpets, stalking aside, it's disconcerting for you to make an insect study out of a woman and then to pretend to enjoy listening to the same music she does, ad nauseum.
If I detect a smidgeon of superficial b.s., disingenuous ass-kissing going on, it's curtains. Along the same lines as those groveling "subs" whose favorite mantra is: It isn't what I want to do, it's all about whatever a Superior Goddess wants me to do.

The article, I believe, is regarding response data to first contact messages. I'm not on OKCupid, but I'd have to imagine that people write profiles that have their interests mentioned.

On sites like this, we *tell* people (prudently, I happen to think) not to lead with the kink stuff. If a person does happen to be a Walking Dead fan, mention a video game they play, a favorite movie they have, etc, and it's actually something the sender has in common, it would make sense to put that in a first contact email. I just went and looked at your profile and I can tell you what I'd open with just because of some of the things you say you like that we have in common. It's easier to get people to respond if they include a question related to the other person's interest.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/1/2015 7:15:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Dude, I want to make sure you hear this.

Dudette.

(Having come from the east coast, I never heard the term "dude" before I moved to California, so, I'm not sure how it's actually used because nobody I know would ever think of using the term except high school kids trying to sound hip talking to each other - but NEVER to adults - so I'm not sure if I'm using "dudette" correctly in response to you - but I hope it sounds to you as "hip" as you calling me "dude" sounds to me).

What rock have you been living under??
"Dude" has been popular since the rock'n'roll era and long before then.

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Dude is an American English slang term for an individual. It typically applies to males, although the word can encompass any gender...

For anybody who doesn't know, I use "Dude" as a gender neutral term. I tend to use it as a form of address anytime we're getting into straight from the hip category or cut the crap. People who know me in real life have become accustomed to perking their ears up a little more when I say it because whatever comes next is something that I think should be given particular attention. Whatever it is, there's something a little extra to it.

I do get a kick out of folks who use 'dudebro'. There's something about that version that I find funny.

I don't think your use of the word is any different from most people LP.

I tend to use it as a very terse alternative to "Oi!! You f'n <nasty expletive here>, pin back your f'n lug'oles and listen up...".
And like you, I don't use it for any specific gender either.

Notice that crumpets, having first denied even hearing of it before he moved to cali, has now edited his post to remove the reference to 'Dudette' in his reply.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/1/2015 7:31:18 AM

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I don't think your use of the word is any different from most people LP.

I tend to use it as a very terse alternative to "Oi!! You f'n <nasty expletive here>, pin back your f'n lug'oles and listen up...".
And like you, I don't use it for any specific gender either.

Notice that crumpets, having first denied even hearing of it before he moved to cali, has now edited his post to remove the reference to 'Dudette' in his reply.

Yours sounds pretty much like mine. I've had it tick off a couple of women because they thought I was using it in a male gender sense.

I didn't realize my use of it had morphed into what it is generally now until a friend pointed it out to me. They spotted it because they did the same thing. Call a person dude and it's some version of listen up.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/2/2015 1:52:15 PM

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Call a person dude and it's some version of listen up.

I removed the part where I explained how condescending the word sounded to me, because I'm being nice. :)
Suffice to say you're the first person that I can recall ever calling me a "dude", simply because it's a word that my colleagues and I would never use. It's a word kids use. But, I'm NOT being condescending by saying that. I'm just telling you how it 'sounds'. Words are funny that way. They are all about contextual meaning.

Anyway, rest assured, I took the word the way you seem to have meant it.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/2/2015 2:03:24 PM

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I just went and looked at your profile and I can tell you what I'd open with just because of some of the things you say you like that we have in common. It's easier to get people to respond if they include a question related to the other person's interest.

My profile is especially loquacious, but it's EASY to converse with me simply because I can carry on a conversation about many things, since I know a lot of varied fields extremely well. Of course, the more you know, the more you realize that there is much out there that you don't know, e.g., I know nothing about current entertainment gossip, or professional sports teams, or how to raise bunny rabbits at home, etc.).

But, I know tons about history, and politics, and nature, and science, and engineering, and computers, and literature, and the proper use of the English language, and archeology, and evolution, and scuba diving and hiking and sky diving and caving and rock climbing and biking and running and playing sports and geology and microbiology and physics and art and astronomy and home repair and pool maintenance and landscaping and building and electrical work and android operating systems, and radios and ballroom dancing and Myers-Briggs personality tests and even runon sentences!

So, it would be EASY to open a conversation with me, and to keep it going forever, if desired. I guess that's why I have 20 pages or so of mail over the past year with a handful of people here.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/2/2015 2:08:55 PM

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There are plenty of reasons to look at the location of the sender, however if I would have to geo-track my OH, I would take that as an indication that something is so wrong in the relationship and I wouldn't want to be in a relationship that is not based on trust.

You have to remember something very O-B-V-I-O-U-S to anyone who has ever read an email in their life.
There aren't many email headers, but every one is there for a reason.

To even THINK that looking at email headers is in any way, shape, or form, some form of stalking is patently ridiculous.

Why do you think EVERY SINGLE EMAIL on the planet has these headers anyway?
For stalkers?

I'm not saying this to any one person at all - but - some of the people who responded on this make absolutely no sense.
You don't even LOOK at the email headers of each of your emails?

Why do you think they're there?

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/2/2015 2:23:05 PM

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There are plenty of reasons to look at the location of the sender, however if I would have to geo-track my OH, I would take that as an indication that something is so wrong in the relationship and I wouldn't want to be in a relationship that is not based on trust.

You have to remember something very O-B-V-I-O-U-S to anyone who has ever read an email in their life.
There aren't many email headers, but every one is there for a reason.

To even THINK that looking at email headers is in any way, shape, or form, some form of stalking is patently ridiculous.

Why do you think EVERY SINGLE EMAIL on the planet has these headers anyway?
For stalkers?

I'm not saying this to any one person at all - but - some of the people who responded on this make absolutely no sense.
You don't even LOOK at the email headers of each of your emails?

Why do you think they're there?

They are there for routing info in case it bounces or if the receiver wishes to reply.

It is NOT designed to be there for people to be snooping and stalking.
Why do you think that most of the header is never actually displayed??
Coz it's NOT relevant or meaningful for 99% of the people on this planet - unless you're a stalker.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/2/2015 4:28:03 PM

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They are there for routing info in case it bounces or if the receiver wishes to reply.
It is NOT designed to be there for people to be snooping and stalking.
Why do you think that most of the header is never actually displayed??
Coz it's NOT relevant or meaningful for 99% of the people on this planet - unless you're a stalker.

I'm going to be nice.
I'm going to just explain something to you.
In simple words.

Let's just say that email headers show up in "my" email, so, I'm not sure what you're using for your mail user agent, but I see them all, and I look at them.
Every day.

They're especially useful when you receive a mail from an unknown person, when you have to decide, "is it spam", "is it a virus", "is it a scam", "is it my best friend using a new email", whatever.
Which happens basically every day.

In fact, email headers are extremely basic.
Everyone who knows anything about computers has studied the SMTP protocol (and POP/IMAP protocols) and has debugged issues using these headers time and time again.

Every single one of us has set up our own SMTP servers for sendmail, for example.
All of us have telnetted into the various ports (e.g., ports 25, 110, 465, etc.) to send and receive mail directly, and to debug server issues.

All this happened well before "google" existed.
So, it's knowledge we all possess. It's not fancy nor intricate in the least.
It's basic simple in-your-face stuff.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with "stalking".
You might as well be telling me that the sky is falling if you think looking at and understanding email headers is, in any way, shape or form, even remotely related to stalking.

I'll just leave the conversation at that.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/2/2015 4:41:12 PM

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Most people who are not what they claim to be on the surface usually give themselves away by many other means.

Again I will be very nice.
And I'll explain things very simply.

Let's say I receive an email that purports to be someone from the local community responding to an ad I put in Craigslist.
But, the header geolocates to Qatar.
Is she likely to be real?

Now, let's say she sends me a picture of "her junk" and she asks for a photo of mine?
Is she likely to be real?

Let's say though, that the picture contains EXIF information that actually geolocates to Qatar?
Hmmmm.... at least it matches. And, let's say, the date is recent, and that the time zone and camera information match USA typical values.
And, let's say, a quick tineye or reverse Google image search turns up blank.

Is she likely to be real?

Based on other factors, I might conclude that she is (btw, I once received just such an email from a hospital administrator who was on short-term business in Qatar, which is where my example comes from).

But, without those factors, I might have thrown the mail into the garbage the moment I saw it was from Qatar.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/2/2015 5:11:35 PM

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They are there for routing info in case it bounces or if the receiver wishes to reply.
It is NOT designed to be there for people to be snooping and stalking.
Why do you think that most of the header is never actually displayed??
Coz it's NOT relevant or meaningful for 99% of the people on this planet - unless you're a stalker.

I'm going to be nice.
I'm going to just explain something to you.
In simple words.

This is going to be interesting.... Not.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
Let's just say that email headers show up in "my" email, so, I'm not sure what you're using for your mail user agent, but I see them all, and I look at them.
Every day.

I don't... ever.
But let's continue....

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
They're especially useful when you receive a mail from an unknown person, when you have to decide, "is it spam", "is it a virus", "is it a scam", "is it my best friend using a new email", whatever.
Which happens basically every day.

My email client picks out the spam automatically without me doing anything at all.
My AV scanner picks out the viruses automatically and deletes them before I even see them.
And I never look at ANY mail unless I know who it's from AND I'm expecting it.
If I don't recognize it or I'm not expecting it - it is deleted without opening it (and no, I don't use a preview pane).

Next....

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
In fact, email headers are extremely basic.
Everyone who knows anything about computers has studied the SMTP protocol (and POP/IMAP protocols) and has debugged issues using these headers time and time again.

Ummmm.... Nope.
Never had the need to.
*IF* I ever get an email problem, I forward the offending mail to my ISP and let them deal with it.

I'm only using two or three machines simultaneously for at least 12-14 hours a day, every day.
I've been a military programmer for the MOD with level 1 (yes, ONE) security clearance - higher than anyone in the US (for Official Secrets purposes).
I designed and wrote the Interbank transfer gateway (with 4 other guys).
I designed and wrote the European link for all the major credit cards from the US to the EU.
I even invented my own protocol and encryption for the traffic.

I'm sorry, I'm only a newbie to computers.
I've only used them since 1969.

Next.....

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
Every single one of us has set up our own SMTP servers for sendmail, for example.
All of us have telnetted into the various ports (e.g., ports 25, 110, 465, etc.) to send and receive mail directly, and to debug server issues.

Ummmm.... Nope.
Never had the need to.... Ever.

Never used telnet in my life.

Next....

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
All this happened well before "google" existed.
So, it's knowledge we all possess. It's not fancy nor intricate in the least.
It's basic simple in-your-face stuff.

That 99.99999999999% of the world doesn't do and doesn't need to.

Next....

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
It has nothing whatsoever to do with "stalking".
You might as well be telling me that the sky is falling if you think looking at and understanding email headers is, in any way, shape or form, even remotely related to stalking.

I'll just leave the conversation at that.

The law states that persistent and in-depth pursuance of any particular individual is classified as stalking. Although in isolation, the seeking/searching of such personal information in and of itself does not constitute stalking, should the 'victim' become unnerved/scared or in fear of their safety, any data indicating that the stalker took any unnatural measures to gain personal insight of an individual would fall under stalking legislation.

I wouldn't like to put it to the test, but I would dare argue that using email headers to track down the location of someone whom you appear to have more than a cursory interest in, would be deemed as 'unnatural'.
As I said, if it ever got into a court of law, you'd better have a good lawyer.

Go take it up with your law-makers, I didn't write the laws.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/2/2015 7:11:40 PM

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The law states that persistent and in-depth pursuance of any particular individual is classified as stalking. Although in isolation, the seeking/searching of such personal information in and of itself does not constitute stalking, should the 'victim' become unnerved/scared or in fear of their safety, any data indicating that the stalker took any unnatural measures to gain personal insight of an individual would fall under stalking legislation.

I wouldn't like to put it to the test, but I would dare argue that using email headers to track down the location of someone whom you appear to have more than a cursory interest in, would be deemed as 'unnatural'.
As I said, if it ever got into a court of law, you'd better have a good lawyer.

Go take it up with your law-makers, I didn't write the laws.

Let me throw out an analogy to all this for you both to debate, and anyone else. FWIW, I don't have headers show on my email, nor look at them, because it adds a ton of text to my page. When I HAVE had stalkers and threats, I give the email to someone to look at that stuff and get back to me on it.

But on to my point.

Pretend it is pre-Internet and people are doing kinky and sexual exchanges through print classifieds and mailed letters.

Is the correct ANALOGY here that crumpets is merely looking at the postal stamp (which records date and city from the post office mailed, plain as day) to see if it really WAS mailed from Happytown, USA vs. mailed from Spammerville, Other Country? And anyone who has half a brain should just glance at this as well since it is plain as day?

OR -- is a better analogy that this info is not just sitting there, and really, what crumpets is doing is looking at the return address, looking up the info in the phone book, then driving to the house and just making sure the person walking inside is the right gender -- but never actually approaching or harming them? (Creepy nonetheless).

Thoughts?

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/2/2015 8:16:39 PM

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*IF* I ever get an email problem, I forward the offending mail to my ISP and let them deal with it.

I'm sorry, I'm only a newbie to computers.
I've only used them since 1969.

Never used telnet in my life.

Again, I'm going to be nice.

I'll just point out that it's one thing to point a car by twisting a steering wheel and pressing on a pedal; but it's another thing altogether to understand a car enough to adjust valve lift, spark timing, fuel adaptations, etc.

Likewise, it's one thing to have "used computers since 1969", and it's an altogether different thing to do the simplest (and I mean simplest) of things, such as setting up sendmail or telnetting or ftp'ing or using archie or nntp, etc. protocols.

Specifically if you never used telenet, nor have you ever looked at email headers, then you don't know the first thing about computers.
Even if you have "used them" since 1969.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/2/2015 8:35:16 PM

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When I HAVE had stalkers and threats, I give the email to someone to look at that stuff and get back to me on it.

There are different levels of adversaries, some of which are impossible to evade, such as state-sponsored adversaries like the Five Eyes.
Even Osama Bin Laden couldn't hide from a state-sponsored adversary who has more resources than God himself to apply to the task.

However, for "normal" adversaries, if the stalker has half a brain, you're gonna get nowhere fast having someone look at their email headers, because they will intimately know how to spoof every single line, or, at the very least, they will know how to choose a mail server and vpn server such that the headers are (nearly) untraceable (to a non-state-sponsored adversary anyway).

Take the kid at Harvard who used Guerillamail and Tor to mail in a bomb threat. Had he not used his own school-supplied Wi-Fi connection (duh), and simply used a non-Harvard access point instead, he would have gotten away with it (he would have had to also avoid security cameras, and he should have changed his otherwise-unique Wi-Fi NIC MAC address among other telltale items known to the access-point router of course).

These are all extremely basic and well known precautions that everyone who knows computers knows like the back of their hand.

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Pretend it is pre-Internet and people are doing kinky and sexual exchanges through print classifieds and mailed letters.

Is the correct ANALOGY here that crumpets is merely looking at the postal stamp (which records date and city from the post office mailed, plain as day) to see if it really WAS mailed from Happytown, USA vs. mailed from Spammerville, Other Country? And anyone who has half a brain should just glance at this as well since it is plain as day?

That's a decent analogy for the simple task of geolocating the email headers.
It's like seeing the zip code on the return address, and then looking up where that zip code points to.
In fact, it's EXACTLY that analogy when you consider that the IP address is sort of like a zip code for geolocation purposes.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
OR -- is a better analogy that this info is not just sitting there

All the information is sitting there.
All the information was put there by the person sending the email (or their mail server).

It's like this:
1. You receive an letter and you first look to see where the postmark came from, and whether it matches the return receipt zip code.
2. Then, if there are pictures inside the envelope, you try to determine if those pictures are "real" or just copies of commonly available postcards.
3. Lastly, you simply look once in the phone book to see if the person is who they said they are based on what information they put in the phone book.

If it all matches - you have a chance at the person actually being "real".
If something doesn't match - you are on a heightened alert because something may be fishy (most of the time, something "is" fishy).

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/3/2015 2:11:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
There are plenty of reasons to look at the location of the sender, however if I would have to geo-track my OH, I would take that as an indication that something is so wrong in the relationship and I wouldn't want to be in a relationship that is not based on trust.

You have to remember something very O-B-V-I-O-U-S to anyone who has ever read an email in their life.
There aren't many email headers, but every one is there for a reason.

To even THINK that looking at email headers is in any way, shape, or form, some form of stalking is patently ridiculous.

Why do you think EVERY SINGLE EMAIL on the planet has these headers anyway?
For stalkers?

I'm not saying this to any one person at all - but - some of the people who responded on this make absolutely no sense.
You don't even LOOK at the email headers of each of your emails?

Why do you think they're there?

I also don't look at every post stamp of every piece of junk mail I get and it's THERE

Several meters in the house, I don't look at them every day just because they are there.

I also don't climb every mountain just because it's there...

If I'd be with a person who would tell me that he checks every header of every email we exchange, the relationship would be over, not because I have to hide everything but because a relationship where one person is so insecure to check and check where I am at any given moment of time is freaking pointless.

You go on checking all the email headers and stuff, however it doesn't seem that you are in a relationship - several of us are, long term.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/3/2015 6:42:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I also don't look at every post stamp of every piece of junk mail I get and it's THERE

So, um, you never get those official-looking letters purporting to be from a bank or government agency telling you there's a problem with your mortgage (they even have the correct amount!), where you have to do a double take to make sure that they're not just some clever sales scheme?

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I also don't climb every mountain just because it's there...

Ah. Here is where we differ.
By a lot!

I do climb mountains. I never take the established trails. I never go back the same way I came (if I can help it).
I go in caves. And mines. The more abandoned, the better. If the sign says "Keep Out", I'm in.
I jump out of airplanes. I windsurf. I scuba dive. I love to rappel. I explore.
While I drive a bimmer for transportation, I ride a beemer for fun. I also make explosives for fun.

And, I make computers do my bidding. I love free stuff (always have). Free apps. Fee search engines.
Yet, I'm also security and privacy conscious.

So, maybe we're just different.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
If I'd be with a person who would tell me that he checks every header of every email we exchange, the relationship would be over, not because I have to hide everything but because a relationship where one person is so insecure to check and check where I am at any given moment of time is freaking pointless.

Fair enough.
But do you check on your kids?
Or do you just let them roam freely at night?

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
You go on checking all the email headers and stuff, however it doesn't seem that you are in a relationship - several of us are, long term.

I'll never be in a relationship. I lose interest too quickly.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/3/2015 6:47:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
OR -- is a better analogy that this info is not just sitting there, and really, what crumpets is doing is looking at the return address, looking up the info in the phone book, then driving to the house and just making sure the person walking inside is the right gender -- but never actually approaching or harming them? (Creepy nonetheless).

I don't generally read the profiles of the people responding here, so I don't know anything about them other than what they say in the thread, but, I did something "creepy" just now, and I looked at your profile. Read it through and through. Every single word. How creepy is that! It took about a minute or three, but not much more than that.

In the next fifteen or twenty seconds, I even stalked your public web site that you and Miss Blue run, skimming, for example, your "Good Girls Guide to Domination", and the like. (Note: I read faster than anyone you have ever met in your life! Always have. They recognized this in school and had me on machines, literally, where words flashed in front of the screen faster, and faster, and faster, since they had a program for gifted readers way back in my fifth or sixth-grade days.)

Most of what you wrote on the free portion of your site left me 'breathless' (as opposed to "speechless"), just as your 16-year-old was in the VW way back when. it's nice that you're a woman who both loves technology and who takes advantage of it, in addition to enjoying a plethora of sex toys, garments, and accoutrements, some of which you personally and gleefully buy for others, out of the goodness of your own sensually sexual soul.

If I may, I must say you left out the second half of the story of what you did with whom you called "Daniel" and "Alexia", by the way. Very naughty of you, although I did enjoy the specific line "wait - hold on - I am not quite done with you", the idea of which sensuously permeates all your texts quite beautifully.

Anyway, as a result of stalking your stuff, I paraphrased a few sentences from your profile that I especially enjoyed, in a hesitatingly trembling way, in my journal, about ten minutes ago, before I read this post (attributing your text as not my own but as a paraphrase of an unnamed other - which happens to be you - the current object of my attention for a few minutes - but readers of my journal wouldn't know that).

Only you would recognize your own ideas, adapted for my personality and paraphrased in my journal.

Now, how creepy is that?
I'd say pretty creepy, right!

Just wait 'till I finish stalking all your enticingly written Femdom erotica! And, what appears to be your facebook page (albeit, it's empty, and it might not be yours as I didn't geolocate an email address).

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/3/2015 7:21:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
*IF* I ever get an email problem, I forward the offending mail to my ISP and let them deal with it.

I'm sorry, I'm only a newbie to computers.
I've only used them since 1969.

Never used telnet in my life.

Again, I'm going to be nice.

I'll just point out that it's one thing to point a car by twisting a steering wheel and pressing on a pedal; but it's another thing altogether to understand a car enough to adjust valve lift, spark timing, fuel adaptations, etc.

Likewise, it's one thing to have "used computers since 1969", and it's an altogether different thing to do the simplest (and I mean simplest) of things, such as setting up sendmail or telnetting or ftp'ing or using archie or nntp, etc. protocols.

Specifically if you never used telenet, nor have you ever looked at email headers, then you don't know the first thing about computers.
Even if you have "used them" since 1969.

I know a lot about computers.
Enough to design and write my own protocol and encryption stuff.

The whole point I was making is that for Mr Joe Average, nobody inspects this stuff at any sort of detail level purely because in 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of cases it is just not needed or wanted.

You like to do data mining. Most people don't - even if it is dead easy to do.

Like my post on yours for women.
Pretty much most of what you are doing is just not necessary for most people.
And to intimate that people are lacking, or idiots for not doing it, or that everyone does do it, is puerile to say the least.

I don't give a flying monkeys if it only takes seconds or that it is easy to understand.
What YOU have to grasp is that most people don't and won't do it purely and simply on the grounds that they don't need to.

Explain all you like until the cows come home.... people just don't DO this sort thing as a matter of course.
And it is wrong of you to say they don't know anything just because they don't do that.

To take AAkasha's analogy -
OR -- is a better analogy that this info is not just sitting there, and really, what crumpets is doing is looking at the return address, looking up the info in the phone book, then driving to the house and just making sure the person walking inside is the right gender -- but never actually approaching or harming them? (Creepy nonetheless).

If that person spots you driving past their house and sees you taking an unnatural interest and reports you, your other data mining activities would put you into the 'stalker' parts of law.
Even if you didn't approach them, that would indeed be classed as 'unnatural'.

It's one thing to check that the original postcode matched where they said they were from.
But to actually GO there to check their house is quite another and a step beyond 'normal'.

And just as a point of interest, what if it were posted from outside of their area?
I've done that when I went through a nasty acrimonious divorce (sent stuff to my brother 250 miles away with another envelope inside for him to post for me).
What if they are using TOR or any VPN tunnel so their IP source is not where they are?
Does that prove they are fake?? Of course not!!

Your further comment -
Specifically if you never used telenet, nor have you ever looked at email headers, then you don't know the first thing about computers.
I could name loads of software that you probably never even heard of, let alone used.
That doesn't make you a dumbass in computers does it?
No, it doesn't.
It just means you have used something that I haven't. Nothing more.
You have probably cut your teeth on some software that I wrote or had hands in designing or writing - your credit card certainly has.
So your statement is somewhat puerile and irrelevant.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/3/2015 8:56:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I also don't look at every post stamp of every piece of junk mail I get and it's THERE

So, um, you never get those official-looking letters purporting to be from a bank or government agency telling you there's a problem with your mortgage (they even have the correct amount!), where you have to do a double take to make sure that they're not just some clever sales scheme?

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I also don't climb every mountain just because it's there...

Ah. Here is where we differ.
By a lot!

I do climb mountains. I never take the established trails. I never go back the same way I came (if I can help it).
I go in caves. And mines. The more abandoned, the better. If the sign says "Keep Out", I'm in.
I jump out of airplanes. I windsurf. I scuba dive. I love to rappel. I explore.
While I drive a bimmer for transportation, I ride a beemer for fun. I also make explosives for fun.

And, I make computers do my bidding. I love free stuff (always have). Free apps. Fee search engines.
Yet, I'm also security and privacy conscious.

So, maybe we're just different.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
If I'd be with a person who would tell me that he checks every header of every email we exchange, the relationship would be over, not because I have to hide everything but because a relationship where one person is so insecure to check and check where I am at any given moment of time is freaking pointless.

Fair enough.
But do you check on your kids?
Or do you just let them roam freely at night?

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
You go on checking all the email headers and stuff, however it doesn't seem that you are in a relationship - several of us are, long term.

I'll never be in a relationship. I lose interest too quickly.

Nope, I never get those letters, I know the bank my mortgage is with and that the mortgage is paid with direct deposit, I also know how much money is in my current account, so even if I would get those letters, I would most likely just toss them in the trash. Why would I obsess about something that adds no value to my life?

I have very little interest in mountains, there are other things I do for fun, climbing mountains has never been an interest of mine, I like to go inline skating just because, I like to work out, because it feels good, I like to ride motorbikes, do martial arts, yoga, I travel A LOT and actually I like to work. A car is something that gets me from A to B, my main interest is that 3 large dogs fit in and it doesn't break down. I like a powerful car because having that extra bit of horse power if you need it, my life can depend on it, but otherwise I don't really get very excited about cars. Of course I find some cars aesthetically pleasing, but they'd just be impractical for me, I love the classic E Type Jag, I like Spitfires, but I don't want to buy 2 of each just for the spare parts, the classic 911 and some Alfas are sexy cars but again, just cars and if it comes to going somewhere, well if I can't take the Dobie bunch with me in a car, I might just go for the full fun experience and take a nice bike.

Great that you do love free stuff, however no such thing as a free lunch, as you might have noticed when you got the t-shirt sent, yeah it was free but you did pay a price.

As for kids, I don't have kids, how would I handle it if I had them? No idea, but I like to think that on occasion I would check up on them but I would hope that I brought them up enough so I can trust them, but that's a hypothetical question

As for you not being in a relationship, that makes total sense. I don't think you relate well to people.

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