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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 1:27:09 PM   
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Because we don't live in a 'rape culture' by any remotely objective analysis, at least as far as women are concerned. Just because we don't run out and physically lynch someone based on woman's say so doesn't mean that it is a rape culture. Do we make excuses for prominent people? Of course. We make excuses for them regarding everything. If anything, it makes it a power/celebrity culture not a rape culture.

You know this because. . . you're a woman? No, not going by your profile, but you're only in your early 30s and still quite young, relatively speaking.
You don't begin to have the level of experience and exposure to the constant looming threat of getting accosted, sexually harassed and/or sexually molested, possibly getting raped every single time you leave the house. In fact, we can't even feel completely safe in our own homes even if we don't live alone or have a large mastiff for protection. During a home invasion (not that the commission of a crime has to factor in, it could be in any type of setting), the threat of rape as the most likely form of bodily harm isn't going to register with a male as it would with a female.

If you would rather change the terminology to "threat of rape" then you can do so. Potato, po-tah-to.

Wait until you have a young daughter of your own and your protective paternal instincts kick in, and not just while she is a minor under your care.
You shouldn't have to worry about the possibility of your daughter getting sexually assaulted when she goes off to college to live on campus - where students should be able to feel a greater sense of security within the confines of an insular environment as they pursue higher education - but guess what? Chances are she won't be associating with as many 'lower class' males whom you assume are more likely to engage in sexual harassment, but she's actually at higher risk of getting sexually assaulted, and that's because it isn't as much a class issue as it is a male sexual entitlement issue.


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Maybe one day he'll take a look in the mirror and see his Inner Creep seeping out of the pores of his skin.

Ah, so because he disagrees with your emotions, he is a creep. Typical shaming tactic.

Perhaps you should re-read what I quoted by the male poster. He finally realized that the creepy behavior being described, was a description of himself. To his credit, he had an epiphany about himself once he became cognizant of how he had been making women feel harassed.
He felt ashamed of his own behavior -- nobody else had to shame him into becoming more conscious of the negative effects he had been unintentionally creating.
If the shoe fits, wear it.


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If other guys were sexually harassing him the way men often do to women day in and day out, he might undergo an empathy epiphany that he so sorely needs.

No they don't. Some men (typically of lower classes) engage in that behavior, but the vast majority do not. Besides, such an accusation is blatantly ignorant of the general intergender dynamic. Most complaints of harassment are really an expression of 'how dare men I'm not interested in express interest in me. Don't they know I'm too good for them?'. Harassment that doesn't pass the 'Brad Pitt test' is pretty rare (If your otherwise dream partner was engaging in such behavior, would you still see it as harassment?). As far as an empathy epiphany, that seems like the pot calling the kettle black.

(My specific reference to 'empathy epiphany' had to do with the OP of a different thread who keeps tossing about the "empathy gap" card, in case you missed it.)

You say the 'vast majority' of men do not, and I stated 'the way men often do.' Since this IS a matter of perception, who are you to determine what constitutes the validity of a woman's emotional response to perceived harassment? The harasser, the dude who can't take no for an answer?
Try cocktail waitressing your way through college or working as a female bartender, and then come back on here to report your findings.

Further, I think it's fairly well understood that not ALL men behave in this manner, or that there aren't women who don't act socially inappropriate with men either.
However, if you want to split hairs with he-said/she-said's, that's your business and have at it if it makes you feel better about yourself.


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 1:30:07 PM   
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Wow. Fucking astounding. You sneer that women should become responsible for not getting themselves raped, but fear becoming a wage slave if your partner lies about being on the pill, rather than take responsibility for birth control into your own hands?

You equate a man being mugged with a woman being raped? I'd take every sock on this forum over your company. Get civilized.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 1:39:42 PM   
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Instead I get to worry about:

Will I get mugged or attacked if I fall asleep here?

Is that girl batshit crazy that will make my life hell? Call the police on me? Cost me my job? Get me thrown in jail?

Is she lying about being on the pill? Am I going to end up a wage slave for the next 18 years?

Is there someone that is going to come after me? Say a husband or boyfriend she 'neglected' to mention?




Oh my heart bleeds for you, and apparently you can't wear a condom, which would solve most of those problems, or simply not fuck around. Why should she run the risks of having hormones in her system just because you want to dip your wick? Put something over it, it's really THAT simple.

If you worry about getting mugged or beaten up, well, don't fall asleep in the gutter.

Husband/boyfriend - yeah they are so going to find you in a hotel room....


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As far as getting 'paid less for having ovaries'. When experience and career choices are taken into account, the discrepancy between male and female salaries is almost nil. (2%-5%, which is within the typical margin of error and may represent a risk premium on the part of the employer).


Colour of the sky on your planet? http://www.jstor.org/stable/146021?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents


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Women have to take some responsibility for their behavior and safety. The horror. Tell you what, women can stop worrying about politely rejecting people when they start being assertive in pursuing relationships en masse. The price for not being the pursuer is that you have to deal with being pursued. It can't be both ways.

Being pregnant is not typically a male worry, but getting someone pregnant is very much so. I had someone pull that as a joke once and I felt my world crashing down.


You have heard about that magical invention, they are called CONDOMS and they let a guy take an ACTIVE part in birth control, let me tell you how it works, you purchase condoms, you put them over your dick, that's the whole magic, if you can't do that, maybe you shouldn't fuck!



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Unfortunately, most women haven't evolved past the point of seeing men as more than workhorses. Men don't set the rules. Women do. Nature only cares about producing the next generation. Women are the gatekeepers to that, therefore women are the ones who set the rules through their choices. While asking either side to change is unrealistic, the ability to effect real change is much more in women's court than it is in men's.


Again, what's the colour of the sky on your planet? You mean because your knuckled drag on the floor we are all stuck swinging from tree to tree?


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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa
Ah, the irony of claiming other people are stupid while expressing great ignorance yourself. This has two bad assumptions. The first bad assumption is that the each gender generally desires the same approach. this is clearly not true as would be seen by anyone that has spent much time around homosexuals of either gender and paid attention. What makes men and women uncomfortable frequently do not overlap. The second bad assumption is that everyone has similar tolerances to behavior. Under your proposed rule, if I didn't care what happened to me, I could do anything to anybody. This is a typical example of solipsistic thinking, or "I am the world".


You mean you think you should be allowed to behave like a primate and women should put up with it. matey, wake up, smell the coffee. No what I was proposing is that if you think it might make somebody uncomfy, don't do it, it's called respect and living in a society, of course since you seem to be living in cave you might not get the principle.

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If you take into consideration more than the use of direct physical force, the numbers are fairly close. There is some disparity, but it isn't dramatic. If you don't allow for that, then you have to throw away all the date rape statistics and rape then becomes quite rare.


Wow, just let's ignore all facts, you know like that over 90% of all rape victims are women, the numbers are close to the same, but let us ignore facts and evidence so we take the word of the internet dude who has a problem with women and can't figure out how to use a condom... Yeah that makes sense


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Hah! I might not get the exact same embarrassing questions, but I will get a different set and that is assuming that I am taken seriously at all.


Really? Been there? You may want to talk to the police about it, you call up and you tell them you've been rape as a guy, they are there like a flash and drive you to the doctor ASAP. Or did it happen to you and your experience was different? Or are you just talking out of your arse again?


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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa
Translation: I am an adult who has internalized that I am personally responsible for my own safety and expressing my own wants and needs. Plus I am 6ft+ and in shape. The number of people that could realistically threaten me without a weapon is too small to worry about.


Translation is, I'm a big muscular guy who gets offers, but because I'm not a woman I do not worry about rape...

We got a lot of gay friends, oddly enough gay men don't tend to turn into animals and rape other guys, how come they can control themselves but straight dudes often can't?

Btw have you seen a doctor about your pathological fear of wearing a condom?

Should I call you awarness or respectmen?



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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 1:43:21 PM   
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Akasha, I think it would be in the best interest of this thread if the men would open accounts on a gay dating site and post pics in tight jeans and see wot happens.


I'm not Akasha, but I'll say that I don't think this would make much of a difference. Their response would be 'Don't paste pics of yourself in tight clothes if you don't want those comments. What do you expect?

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 1:44:34 PM   
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CarpeComa:
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Unfortunately, most women haven't evolved past the point of seeing men as more than workhorses. Men don't set the rules. Women do. Nature only cares about producing the next generation. Women are the gatekeepers to that, therefore women are the ones who set the rules through their choices. While asking either side to change is unrealistic, the ability to effect real change is much more in women's court than it is in men's.


Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha thats some funny shit right there. You are one HIGH motherfucker. Fo.Sho.




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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 1:46:26 PM   
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CarpeComa:
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Unfortunately, most women haven't evolved past the point of seeing men as more than workhorses. Men don't set the rules. Women do. Nature only cares about producing the next generation. Women are the gatekeepers to that, therefore women are the ones who set the rules through their choices. While asking either side to change is unrealistic, the ability to effect real change is much more in women's court than it is in men's.


Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha thats some funny shit right there. You are one HIGH motherfucker. Fo.Sho.





*blink... blink*

I'm with you JanahX... Bwahahahahahhahahahhahah


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 1:47:22 PM   
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CarpeComa:
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Unfortunately, most women haven't evolved past the point of seeing men as more than workhorses. Men don't set the rules. Women do. Nature only cares about producing the next generation. Women are the gatekeepers to that, therefore women are the ones who set the rules through their choices. While asking either side to change is unrealistic, the ability to effect real change is much more in women's court than it is in men's.


Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha thats some funny shit right there. You are one HIGH motherfucker. Fo.Sho.






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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 2:12:26 PM   
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I would be interested to see what the defenders think of the video of a woman wearing a crewneck walking through NYC and what she deals with. There is NO cleavage here.

How do you defend this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

PS: 100 instances of uninvited attention in 10 hours. Think about that. Guys, imagine if 100 gay guys made comments at you uninvited in 10 hours.


Yeah, I'll call this one out because it's unmitigated bullshit.

100 instances in 10 hours? That means 10 instances in one hour. Which means that strangely enough, only 1 guy EVERY SIX FUCKING MINUTES actually said something to this chick. Which means she had to walk several blocks at a time before anyone said anything to her.

If you think someone saying hello to you once every six minutes is problematic, you have a bunch of social issues for which therapy is the only remedy. New York is a city of 8 and a half million people in it - not to mention God knows how many who commute - and given the population density of the place during the day, to only get a comment every six minutes means this idiot child walked past hundreds of men before she found one who'd say something to her.

The problem with people who complain about this video is not only that they're not smart enough to understand the inherent dishonesty in time compressing a 10 hour stint into TWO MINUTES, but they're insufficiently intelligent enough to do basic math and draw some pretty obvious fucking conclusions.

Honestly, this is why I have so little time for most people - the sheer stupidity just annoys the ever-lovin' fuck outta me.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 2:13:30 PM   
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Wow. Fucking astounding. You sneer that women should become responsible for not getting themselves raped, but fear becoming a wage slave if your partner lies about being on the pill, rather than take responsibility for birth control into your own hands?
Why is birth control a man's responsibility instead of a shared responsibility?


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 2:19:07 PM   
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Wow. Fucking astounding. You sneer that women should become responsible for not getting themselves raped, but fear becoming a wage slave if your partner lies about being on the pill, rather than take responsibility for birth control into your own hands?


Read again. Just because I say people should be responsible enough to take reasonable measures for their own safety, that they shouldn't expect the rest of the universe to protect them, suddenly means I shouldn't have any fears of people engaged in bad behavior? If such fears were unreasonable, why the hell would anyone need to take precautions? The conclusion you jumped to doesn't follow from the premise stated. Take off your "I'm a victim" goggles.

As for taking responsibility for birth control in my own hands, what am I supposed to do? Force feed her the pill every morning? Eventually this argument boils down to where the line gets drawn for 'reasonable', because there isn't any amount of precautions that cannot be defeated by someone with sufficient interest in doing so. Taking precautions doesn't mean that you cannot be victimized, but refusing to take precautions does make you stupid. Don't be stupid.

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You equate a man being mugged with a woman being raped? I'd take every sock on this forum over your company. Get civilized.


Ah, the "Threat of withheld affection" shame attempt. Did I say they were the same? She asked for fears not exactly equivalent fears. Typical emotional kneejerk reaction. Besides, someone conceiving after lying about birth control could be considered rape and that is on the list as well.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 2:22:26 PM   
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CarpeComa:
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Unfortunately, most women haven't evolved past the point of seeing men as more than workhorses. Men don't set the rules. Women do. Nature only cares about producing the next generation. Women are the gatekeepers to that, therefore women are the ones who set the rules through their choices. While asking either side to change is unrealistic, the ability to effect real change is much more in women's court than it is in men's.


Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha thats some funny shit right there. You are one HIGH motherfucker. Fo.Sho.






I grew out of using drugs ages ago, but in my teenage days, I knew a lot of people who would have liked to know his pusher


Really? How many of you would seriously consider a man without a job or financial assets? Few to none. The proof is in the behavior, not the words.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 2:25:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

Wow. Fucking astounding. You sneer that women should become responsible for not getting themselves raped, but fear becoming a wage slave if your partner lies about being on the pill, rather than take responsibility for birth control into your own hands?


Read again. Just because I say people should be responsible enough to take reasonable measures for their own safety, that they shouldn't expect the rest of the universe to protect them, suddenly means I shouldn't have any fears of people engaged in bad behavior? If such fears were unreasonable, why the hell would anyone need to take precautions? The conclusion you jumped to doesn't follow from the premise stated. Take off your "I'm a victim" goggles.

As for taking responsibility for birth control in my own hands, what am I supposed to do? Force feed her the pill every morning? Eventually this argument boils down to where the line gets drawn for 'reasonable', because there isn't any amount of precautions that cannot be defeated by someone with sufficient interest in doing so. Taking precautions doesn't mean that you cannot be victimized, but refusing to take precautions does make you stupid. Don't be stupid.

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You equate a man being mugged with a woman being raped? I'd take every sock on this forum over your company. Get civilized.


Ah, the "Threat of withheld affection" shame attempt. Did I say they were the same? She asked for fears not exactly equivalent fears. Typical emotional kneejerk reaction. Besides, someone conceiving after lying about birth control could be considered rape and that is on the list as well.



Oh FFS, no you shouldn't force feed her the pill, if you do not know her well enough, it would make SENSE that you do your part, you know and use a fucking condom, they don't bite, they also prevent some STDs so if you are fucking around with strangers, it would be pretty much common sense to use them unless you have a death wish. Yeah not using a precaution like a condom if you fuck a stranger IS STUPID

And somebody lying about birth control being the same as rape? REALLY? Like she jumps you, won't let you use that magic thing called a condom, readily available in every drug store and supermarket....

Which drugs are you taking? You don't want kids, great, take some fucking responsibility, get a vasectomy, you don't want an STD, use condoms. If you don't know that, should you really leave the house on your own and try to have sex? Most teenagers manage to grasp that concept but you don't?

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 2:29:27 PM   
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I have a small frame, small waist and large breasts. I hide them for the most part, but it's sad that I may have to pass over a gorgeous cocktail dress because I try it on and the cleavage is such that I know men would be leering. How is that fair?
Your question is totally disingenuous. Clothing is communication. Everyone with half a shred of honesty knows that.

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Taking LC's analogy further - men, imagine if gay gentlemen outnumbered straight guys.
Your analogy is off to a bad start, men don't outnumber women.

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Imagine if every time you wore ANY kind of jeans, shorts, trousers that showed a bit of definition in your crotch resulted in everything from obvious long glances, to actually comments, "I really like the view below the waist big boy, oh, nice!" to men coming up and hitting on you despite the fact that you are NOT interested, and not stopping and getting resentful that how DARE you hint at the size and shape of your package without knowing it would attract attention.
Men don't run around with shorts showing scrotum cleavage - whereas decolletage is a major aspect of female fashion - in fact you just complained about not being able to flaunt it.

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Imagine if the only way you could avoid the staring, leering, comments and general gross behavior is to dress in a way that totally made your crotch area indistinct. Forget the fact that certain underwear or jeans are more comfortable. Nope. Sorry - you have to suck it up and hide it or else gay guys are going to be staring or hitting on you or making lewd comments.
And then I'd cut them down with withering scorn, the way powerful responsible women do. Not all women are prepared to play the victim, nor do they need to.

This tendency for some women to project their own personal weaknesses onto all of womankind is a form of self-deception.



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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 2:36:30 PM   
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@ CarpeComa

I dont see men as workhorses. If they have their own thing going - what do I care? I mean if they want to travel with me or go out and do things that cost money - then sure, they probably should have their own money as they are an adult and I am not their parent with the responsibility to pay for their upbringing.
As for the nature thing - and bringing the next generation into the world: that is hardly the only focus on what humans have evolved into. If that were all that were involved our species wouldn't have. There obviously was a drive that pushed our species further than that, and if you are actually trying to say that women through history were in charge of most civilized development - that is up until recently (in some cultures,) you would be sadly mistaken. And hell, we are still fighting tooth and nail for that.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 2:36:32 PM   
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Really? How many of you would seriously consider a man without a job or financial assets? Few to none. The proof is in the behavior, not the words.



Been with hubby for 15 years, when we met he was between jobs, for part of our relationship I was the main earner while he got further qualifications and I earned enough for both of us to live quite comfy, now we're both working, it all goes into the same pot, I think now he earns more than I do, but I don't really care, you know even if he or I would stop working, we still could pay the mortgage, the vet bills and all the rest, so it's not that important.

I wouldn't consider a partner who's unwilling to work and expects me to work, because I don't like lazy people, but the amount of money somebody earns never really influenced if I want to date him or not. I dated guys who were seriously well off, but that didn't mean that I was willing to stop working or give up my career, because then I would have been dependent, I prefer not to be.

I thought that's how adults handle relationships...

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 3:15:56 PM   
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It doesn't matter,

I know. I knew that. It doesn't matter but it does. The devil is in the details. And the details are different for each situation. For example, the definition of staring versus the definition of looking. Or the definition of looking too long versus the definition of looking because of the biologically-programmed split second that I believe exists in all men.
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think about it this way, you can wear short sleeves, no matter how big your arms are or how well defined they are, you can wear shorts, no matter if you have great legs or not or a nice tush...

Yep. There are pros and cons to everything.

I can wear anything I want and walk into any business-class hotel on the planet, and drink the free coffee and eat their donuts, and absolutely nobody will notice me for hours and hours.

But if I was a chick, they'd notice me in ten seconds flat.

There are pros and cons to everything, even biology.

Of course, there are pros to being interesting, e.g., many women take advantage of the fact that they look interesting, and dress accordingly, for their own advantage.

So, there are pros and cons to everything; and, the devil is in the specific details.

A general complaint such as that article was only immediately sits well with someone who would tend to agree with it before it was written; it wasn't sufficient of an article to change anyone's mind who has deeper or more varied opinions and experiences from the other half of the biological world.

Still, it drove home a point, which is that women feel uncomfortable around men because they are noticed by the men (women don't realize how un-noticed men are, by way of contrast). Pros and cons to both.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 3:22:48 PM   
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I have a small frame, small waist and large breasts. I hide them for the most part, but it's sad that I may have to pass over a gorgeous cocktail dress because I try it on and the cleavage is such that I know men would be leering. How is that fair?

I have a large frame, beer belly, and a huge cock with well hung symmetric balls (tantamount to the size and symmetry of your "large breasts").

I hide them for the most part, but it's sad that I may have to pass over a gorgeous black vinyl g-string because I try it on and the cock-cleavage is such that I know women would be leering.

How is that any less fair that I can't promote my sexual characteristics (and yes, breasts are sexual characteristics and gowns showing cleavage is promotion) any more than you can?

And yes, cleavage is promoting tits as sexual characteristics. There is no other reason for cleavage.

Point is, my cock and your tits are sexual characteristics.
We cover them, for the most part, in our society.

If either one of us decides NOT to cover our sexual characteristics, and, in fact, if we expressly try to promote them (g string === cleavage), then people will be leering.

As I said, the devil is in the details.

If a 13 year old girl is dressed like a common whore, who is she to then decry people are looking at her in a sexual way?

On the other hand, if that 13 year old girl is dressed tastefully (in this case, I assume that means her breasts are NOT hanging out of her top), then she does have a point being upset if men are looking at her.


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 3:26:31 PM   
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There's a difference between getting noticed and stared at, you know noticing somebody, giving them a smile is kinda nice, that doesn't tend to creep women out, having your eyes focused on their breasts or other body parts, that's a bit creep territory.

Actually men also get noticed, if you walk into a computer store, pretty often the staff runs past you because they think you're there with a guy shopping for a new computer, so you end up waving your hands, and go "Hey, I actually want to buy something..."

Being noticed is perfectly fine, a guy staring at you and you can see him mentally removing your clothes, not so nice...

I'm not sure if you have sisters you are close with, or maybe your mom, or imagine you have a daughter, if the way a guy stares at her would make you a go "I think not", then don't do it yourself to a woman.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 3:28:24 PM   
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Oh my heart bleeds for you, and apparently you can't wear a condom, which would solve most of those problems, or simply not fuck around. Why should she run the risks of having hormones in her system just because you want to dip your wick? Put something over it, it's really THAT simple.

If you worry about getting mugged or beaten up, well, don't fall asleep in the gutter.

Husband/boyfriend - yeah they are so going to find you in a hotel room....



Oh my heart bleeds for you, you can't get drunk around random people. You can't be on the pill or use a diaphragm of some kind.

If you worry about getting raped, well, don't go hanging out in the ghetto after dark.

If they are already suspicious, a significant other might find a hotel room.


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As far as getting 'paid less for having ovaries'. When experience and career choices are taken into account, the discrepancy between male and female salaries is almost nil. (2%-5%, which is within the typical margin of error and may represent a risk premium on the part of the employer).


Colour of the sky on your planet? http://www.jstor.org/stable/146021?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents


That abstract makes no mention of controlling for experience, only generally controlling for occupation. Unless you work for a university or are currently a student, it seems unlikely that you have read this to verify the contents and I'm not shelling out $20 to review a random study. Try something ungated. Plus this research is almost 30 years old. Now I am the first to say that just because research is old doesn't make it invalid, but it is clear and common knowledge that the job market has changed significantly since the 1980s.


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You have heard about that magical invention, they are called CONDOMS and they let a guy take an ACTIVE part in birth control, let me tell you how it works, you purchase condoms, you put them over your dick, that's the whole magic, if you can't do that, maybe you shouldn't fuck!


Haven't you heard of this magical invention called water? If you can't hold your liquor, maybe you shouldn't go drinking around strange people! How is you having to take reasonable precautions is too onerous, but me having to take them is fine? That is no less than bigoted behavior placing unilateral expectations.


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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa
Again, what's the colour of the sky on your planet? You mean because your knuckled drag on the floor we are all stuck swinging from tree to tree?


Do you have a specific claim you wish to dispute the validity of? Or just fling ad hominems?

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You mean you think you should be allowed to behave like a primate and women should put up with it. matey, wake up, smell the coffee. No what I was proposing is that if you think it might make somebody uncomfy, don't do it, it's called respect and living in a society, of course since you seem to be living in cave you might not get the principle.


Amazing, that isn't what I said at all. My point is that your standard creates problems if applied and is not based on a reasonable understanding of human behavior. I cannot control how I make other people subjectively feel. I can control what I objectively do. Your refusing to have sex with me is making me uncomfortable, so drop your pants.

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If you take into consideration more than the use of direct physical force, the numbers are fairly close. There is some disparity, but it isn't dramatic. If you don't allow for that, then you have to throw away all the date rape statistics and rape then becomes quite rare.


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Wow, just let's ignore all facts, you know like that over 90% of all rape victims are women, the numbers are close to the same, but let us ignore facts and evidence so we take the word of the internet dude who has a problem with women and can't figure out how to use a condom... Yeah that makes sense


And you are wrong. See, you don't want facts, you just want to confirm your bias. You made a claim you felt was safe, but were wrong. http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf pages 18 & 19.

12 month prevalence rounded to the nearest 100K:

All forms of sexual violence: women 7.9 million. Men 6 million.

Forced Sex: Women 1.3 million, Men 1.3 million.

Seems pretty darn close to me.

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Really? Been there? You may want to talk to the police about it, you call up and you tell them you've been rape as a guy, they are there like a flash and drive you to the doctor ASAP. Or did it happen to you and your experience was different? Or are you just talking out of your arse again?


Have you been there? Have you seen a guy attempt to report a rape? Or are you talking out of your arse?


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Translation is, I'm a big muscular guy who gets offers, but because I'm not a woman I do not worry about rape...

We got a lot of gay friends, oddly enough gay men don't tend to turn into animals and rape other guys, how come they can control themselves but straight dudes often can't?


Strawman. You aren't getting randomly raped by men turning into animals nor is that related to what I was referencing. You are being intellectually dishonest. You would be jumping down my throat if I tried something like that, shame on you.


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Btw have you seen a doctor about your pathological fear of wearing a condom?

Should I call you awarness or respectmen?


I must be one hell of a dedicated sock then. Profile has been here for 5+ years and is fleshed out. Do you have any rational argument to make or are you just a font of ad hominem?




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RE: Don't be a creeper - 11/28/2015 3:36:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa

Really? How many of you would seriously consider a man without a job or financial assets? Few to none. The proof is in the behavior, not the words.



Been with hubby for 15 years, when we met he was between jobs, for part of our relationship I was the main earner while he got further qualifications and I earned enough for both of us to live quite comfy, now we're both working, it all goes into the same pot, I think now he earns more than I do, but I don't really care, you know even if he or I would stop working, we still could pay the mortgage, the vet bills and all the rest, so it's not that important.

I wouldn't consider a partner who's unwilling to work and expects me to work, because I don't like lazy people, but the amount of money somebody earns never really influenced if I want to date him or not. I dated guys who were seriously well off, but that didn't mean that I was willing to stop working or give up my career, because then I would have been dependent, I prefer not to be.

I thought that's how adults handle relationships...


But there is the catch, he still has to work. You couch it in the excuse of 'not being lazy' but by your own admission, he has to work.

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