crumpets
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze In that case, I suggest you look up the uniforms of Catholic schools, minskirts... I went to Catholic school. And, I know about the dress codes. I even know about the shine on patent-leather shoes being a problem. Dress codes exist mainly for one reason only. They are made by adults, to keep younger adults from dressing inappropriately, which is the way many of those younger adults would dress if the adults didn't enforce the dress code. Specifically, girls tend to expose too much skin. In fact, girls tend to expose way more than is necessary, and certainly they're not doing so for comfort. They will fool themselves and say it's for fashion. They will lie to themselves and say it's for fun. They will deceive themselves and say it's to look pretty or to get attention. Or, the biggest lie of all, that it's for the other women in their peer group. Let them lie to themselves, as they don't have a clue that clothes are a uniform which is INTERPRETED by others. Those interpretations don't follow the same deceptive rationale that I'm hearing here. Otherwise, leering wouldn't be a problem. Again, the devil is in the details. We both have to define what we mean by provocative. I think my pictures are showing my viewpoint as to what I consider provocative. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze As for clothes, are you really suggesting women should worry about where a guy's eyes go and cover up, so the guy simply doesn't "have" to stare? That's a bit like saying a disabled person should hide his or her disability so somebody isn't tempted to stare. First off, any woman who wants to dress provocatively is sexy in my book. I will never complain if a woman shows too much skin (unless it's "my" woman or my child or my mom or my sister, etc.). Otherwise, all the other women in the world are welcome, nay, they're ENCOURAGED to show as much skin as they want. Who cares if they're freezing. Who cares if they can't walk a half mile. Who cares if they constantly have to pull down the hem or pull up the straps. Hell, show as much skin as you want. I'm all for it. And I'm not complaining. What I'm discerning is that women want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to dress provocatively, and yet only have the one guy they care about notice them. Well, it just doesn't work that way. So, the women will complain until the end of time about the same thing. Because what they do, and then what they complain about happening, makes no sense when you think about it. You dress as you like, and you get to decide why you dressed that way; but everyone else gets to INTERPRET it too. You have no control over HOW they interpret it - other than to enforce your own personal dress code. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I said a few times that I don't tend to dress provocatively, I don't have wardrobe malfunctions (the last one was actually not funny, one of those lovely dresses with the long trailing sleeves a bit Game of Thrones caught fire with a candle - no boobage was flashed, and I assure you it was 100% not planned, I have seen maybe twenty or thirty pictures of you, and I would agree with what you said about the fact that YOU dress appropriately (at least as far as those pictures are concerned). However, you may have misrepresented my point about the wardrobe malfunctions. I realize you have some boobage (as your office photos shows), which you can't hide. You also wear a normal length business skirt (that tan dress you have in your photo set, for example). However, MANY women wear too short skirts, too thin straps, too low tops, such that they don't need to PLAN on a wardrobe malfunction; it will inevitably happen: perhaps ten times a day. I don't tend to burn dresses with a lot of Zeros on purpose), that doesn't mean I want to dress in shapeless garments that make me look like a walking tent, I like practical well fitting clothes... I have seen how you dress at work (from your photo set), and you dress tastefully as far as I can see. My definition of "provocative" would probably not include how you dress. It would likely include most of the items listed on your average high school dress code though. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze You know the most revealing clothes I wear are actually when I do yoga, those tight stretchy things, and I can assure you that any guy in the yoga class leering and the teacher sees it, the guy better has a humiliation fetish... How come it works there but just jeans and a regular t-shirt down the road and it doesn't work anymore? I think you can answer that question yourself if you just look at how tightly your jeans and t-shirt fit versus the typical male jeans. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Seriously, I don't think men are so weak that they can't control their eyes, they are not like my dogs if I show them a steak and they start salivating without control and will not be able to look away until I say "Go eat"... Actually, you're right and you're wrong, just as the devil is always in the details about what you mean by "controlling their eyes". I think all men "notice" for a split second a boob, or a too-short skirt, or a glimpse of panty or nipple or cameltoe, etc. I think that's what women find "fun" about wearing sexy clothes. The get the general aurora of men "noticing" for at the very least the biologically programmed split second. It's where men continue to look that you're all complaining about. And, for that, we really need more details since your provocative might not be my provocative, just as your looking-too-long might not be the same as my definition of looking-too-long. The devil is in the details and my posts try to contain details in images that portray somewhat what I'm trying to explain from the perspective of someone who is assaulted day in and day out by women's panties, teats, buns, cameltoes, and upper thighs.
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