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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 6:21:28 AM   
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People in the 80's thought japan was going to take over the US- I poo poo'd it. People thought china would take over the world economy in 2010 - again I pooh pooh'd it.


Er ....

You were right to poo poo it. Japan hasn't taken over the US and China has taken over the world economy.

Did you mean to phrase that differently?
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So again, where do you draw your divine insight that allows you to say what will be in contravention of math


It comes from sociology. Do I have to repeat this in every post?


saying its sociology and providing some actual link to prove that your opinion, is in fact, held in mainline sociology are different things.

If it were, in fact, mainline sociology, you should have no trouble finding 4-5 respected authors supporting your position. Somehow, I doubt you will tho.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 6:34:04 AM   
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The more religions mix with Western culture, the more said religions tend to be 'dampened down' by that culture.

That super honest Muslim Imam Anjem Choudary managed to even piss off liberals at CNN, and have a liberal himself threatening to get him arrested, because he said that his job is to bring Muslims of the US together to take over the white house, instill sharia law, and put their Muslim flag over the white house.

All I can say is, under-estimating their capability of achieving this, laughing such things off, is exactly why, I won't be surprise if they succeed, and then by then, it's just gonna be non-stop civil war. As democracy when Muslim majority wins is not a happy democratic system anymore. Especially when their strategy is a complete sound one. Increase Muslim population, and they can win through democracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A75Vg__GcqQ

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 6:38:48 AM   
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So if you want a reason for why people in the Middle East have trouble integrating, look in the mirror, and you'll find the answer staring right back at you.

I think you are dead wrong.

Wanna know why most Islamics fail to integrate properly?
It's a simple case of square peg and round hole.
For anyone, anywhere, to properly integrate into whatever society they have moved into requires a fair amount of 'give' in a number of different areas.
You have to live like the natives, obey their laws and customs, absorb their dress sense, their taste in food and culture, even if you don't follow their particular majority religion.
It's where the phrase "when in Rome...." comes from.
Islamics, for the most part, barely pay lip service to the laws and society in general.
They pursue their religion, frequently follow their own dress sense, eat their own type of food, often fail to learn the lingo, and more to the point they follow Islam even when it is direct conflict with their surrounding culture.

Quite simply, they only do the bare minimum to live in the new society.
In many western societies, it's law first and religion second.
For most Islamics, it's religion first and law second.
That is why they don't integrate.

And to be honest, when they are insisting that the culture should change to their way of doing things in Islam, it's no wonder that they are seen as "the enemy".


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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 6:49:04 AM   
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Hey ho.

What, versus the four to five respected authors that you've failed to present?

At any rate, this took some thirty seconds to find:


FactCheck, by Channel 4:

The claim

“By the year 2050, in a mere 37 years, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation.”


...Ii]t seems likely there has been a real increase in the Muslim population of Britain, due to a mixture of immigration and higher birth rates.

Mr Cooper concentrates on the issue of birth rates, and basically suggests that if fertility among Muslim women continues to be higher than other demographic groups, then extending current trends into the future will give us a Muslim majority by 2050.

That flies in the face of evidence which shows that, while fertility rates have historically been significantly higher among Muslims, birth rates are now dropping among Muslim immigrant populations in Europe and in Muslim countries.

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Birth rates levelling off

A 2007 study by demographers Charles Westhoff and Tomas Frejka identified the same trend among Muslim immigrant populations in most countries where data was available, including Austria, Slovenia, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland and England and Wales.

The total fertility rate among Muslim women is almost always higher than that of the native population, but “with the passage of time Muslim fertility moves closer to the fertility of the majority of the population in the respective countries”.

The US Pew Forum think-tank predicts that this gap will continue to diminish in the coming decades in all European countries.

Most of the “native” populations of Europe are failing to have enough children, while birth rates are higher among Muslim immigrant populations, so it seems inevitable that the British Muslim population will rise in the coming decades.

But it’s equally clear that the gap in fertility between Muslim and non-Muslim will continue to lessen over time, as it has in recent decades.

Mr Cooper suggests that there are “strong cultural reasons for higher Muslim birth rates”, but this ignores the fact that birth rates have fallen dramatically in many Muslim countries.

FactCheck wouldn’t bet on the British Muslim population ever topping 10 per cent, let alone 50 per cent.

The Pew Research Center in the USA, noted for its forecasts on population growth, itself reckons that Europe's Muslim population will reach 10% by 2050. [What happened to that 30% you were talking about earlier, Phydeaux?]

"Although the Muslim population represents a tiny fraction of Americans – about 1% – it is set to grow rapidly over the next four decades. The report predicts Muslim will surpass Jews to become the second-largest religious group in the US by 2050 – while still only representing 2.1% of the whole country. "

[My bolds throughout.]

"The report’s authors concede there are many variables that could make dramatic differences between their projections and how the world actually turns out. In four decades, there will be natural disasters and wars, mass migrations and political revolutions, each with knock-on effects that change what people believe and where they choose to live."

... And, of course, the Pew Center can make no prediction about the *nature* of Islam in the world in 2050. It could be as different to present-day Islam as Western Christianity is from its mediaeval counterpart.


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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 2:15:32 PM   
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You ain't no muslim, bruv.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 2:53:23 PM   
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Hey ho.

What, versus the four to five respected authors that you've failed to present?

At any rate, this took some thirty seconds to find:


FactCheck, by Channel 4:

The claim

“By the year 2050, in a mere 37 years, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation.”


...Ii]t seems likely there has been a real increase in the Muslim population of Britain, due to a mixture of immigration and higher birth rates.

Mr Cooper concentrates on the issue of birth rates, and basically suggests that if fertility among Muslim women continues to be higher than other demographic groups, then extending current trends into the future will give us a Muslim majority by 2050.

That flies in the face of evidence which shows that, while fertility rates have historically been significantly higher among Muslims, birth rates are now dropping among Muslim immigrant populations in Europe and in Muslim countries.

....

Birth rates levelling off

A 2007 study by demographers Charles Westhoff and Tomas Frejka identified the same trend among Muslim immigrant populations in most countries where data was available, including Austria, Slovenia, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland and England and Wales.

The total fertility rate among Muslim women is almost always higher than that of the native population, but “with the passage of time Muslim fertility moves closer to the fertility of the majority of the population in the respective countries”.

The US Pew Forum think-tank predicts that this gap will continue to diminish in the coming decades in all European countries.

Most of the “native” populations of Europe are failing to have enough children, while birth rates are higher among Muslim immigrant populations, so it seems inevitable that the British Muslim population will rise in the coming decades.

But it’s equally clear that the gap in fertility between Muslim and non-Muslim will continue to lessen over time, as it has in recent decades.

Mr Cooper suggests that there are “strong cultural reasons for higher Muslim birth rates”, but this ignores the fact that birth rates have fallen dramatically in many Muslim countries.

FactCheck wouldn’t bet on the British Muslim population ever topping 10 per cent, let alone 50 per cent.

The Pew Research Center in the USA, noted for its forecasts on population growth, itself reckons that Europe's Muslim population will reach 10% by 2050. [What happened to that 30% you were talking about earlier, Phydeaux?]

"Although the Muslim population represents a tiny fraction of Americans – about 1% – it is set to grow rapidly over the next four decades. The report predicts Muslim will surpass Jews to become the second-largest religious group in the US by 2050 – while still only representing 2.1% of the whole country. "

[My bolds throughout.]

"The report’s authors concede there are many variables that could make dramatic differences between their projections and how the world actually turns out. In four decades, there will be natural disasters and wars, mass migrations and political revolutions, each with knock-on effects that change what people believe and where they choose to live."

... And, of course, the Pew Center can make no prediction about the *nature* of Islam in the world in 2050. It could be as different to present-day Islam as Western Christianity is from its mediaeval counterpart.



Since we were talking about germany, lets try to stay consistent.

I asked you what facts do you have to dispute:

1. Native population is declining.
2. Muslim birthrates, even though they grow closer to native - never get less than 3 children - more than double native german rates.
3. immigration is increasing muslim population 1% a year.
4. On top of all these thngs - significant numbers of convrsions occur - the rate of conversion away from Islam is 1/10 the rate of conversion TO islam.

The fact is - there has never been a pattern such as muslim immigration in the west - it is a new paradigm one not easily described by other immigration patterns.


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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 3:47:17 PM   
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http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/lawrence-solomon-europe-is-planning-to-deport-hundreds-of-thousands-of-muslims

In a recent reversal, Sweden now says it will deport half of its 160,000 migrants, Finland plans to deport two-thirds of its 32,000 migrants and Germany intends to deport all migrants who arrived under false pretenses – a number that could total many hundreds of thousands – as well as all migrants from Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia, which Germany now deems “safe” countries because they are not at war.

Most countries in Europe, in fact, are now cracking down on migrants from Muslim countries, raising the possibility of a modern-day expulsion that rivals that of the 16th and 17th centuries, when Spain, to its shame, not only ethnically cleansed its territories of all Muslims but also of their descendants who had converted to Christianity.

The sea change in attitude among Europe’s political leadership – mere weeks ago, many of them insisted that they must open their doors even wider on humanitarian grounds – followed mass sexual assaults in European cities on New Year’s Eve. Although government officials and the mainstream press initially tried to cover up the extent of the wrong-doing – an estimated 1,000 Muslims in Cologne alone participated in “Taharrush,” a practice of encircling, groping and sometimes raping women – the extent of the assaults led to a fire-storm of outrage on social media that forced both the mainstream media and the politicians to acknowledge the problems and reverse course.

The reversals were a long time coming, given what Europeans have endured in recent years from the uncontrolled influx of more than a million migrants, most of them Muslim men with little appreciation of Western values. Sexual assaults aside – rapes in many European countries are disproportionately attributed by law enforcement and NGOs to Muslims – crime by migrants is rampant. Hamburg police reports 20,000 purse-snatches a year, 90 per cent of them by males in their 20s from North Africa or the Balkans. In 2014, even before the migrant stampede accelerated, 38,000 asylum seekers had been accused of committing crimes.


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As for the rates of muslims in the US< I point you to this...
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/06/a-new-estimate-of-the-u-s-muslim-population/

Pew Research Center estimates that there were about 3.3 million Muslims of all ages living in the United States in 2015. This means that Muslims made up about 1% of the total U.S. population (about 322 million people in 2015), and we estimate that that share will double by 2050.

Our new estimate of Muslims and other faiths is based on a demographic projection that models growth in the American Muslim population since our 2011 estimate and includes both adults and children. The projection uses data on age, fertility, mortality, migration and religious switching drawn from multiple sources, including the 2011 survey of Muslim Americans.

According to our current estimate, there are fewer Muslims of all ages in the U.S. than there are Jews by religion (5.7 million) but more than there are Hindus (2.1 million) and many more than there are Sikhs.

In some cities Muslims comprise significantly more than 1% of the community. And even at the state level Muslims are not evenly distributed: Certain states, such as New Jersey, have two or three times as many Muslim adults per capita as the national average.

Recent political debates in the U.S. over Muslim immigration and related issues have prompted many to ask how many Muslims actually live in the United States. But coming up with an answer is not easy, in part because the U.S. Census Bureau does not ask questions about religion, meaning that there is no official government count of the U.S. Muslim population.

Since our first estimate of the size of the Muslim American population in 2007, we have seen a steady growth in both the number of Muslims in the U.S. and the percentage of the U.S. population that is Muslim.

In addition, our projections suggest the U.S. Muslim population will grow faster than the Hindu population and much faster than the Jewish population in the coming decades. Indeed, even before 2040, Muslims are projected to become the second-largest religious group in the U.S., after Christians. By 2050, the American Muslim population is projected to reach 8.1 million people, or 2.1% of the total population.

Just over half of the projected growth of the American Muslim population from 2010 to 2015 is due to immigration. Over the last 20 years, there has been an increase in the number of Muslim immigrants coming to the U.S. The number of Muslim immigrants currently represents about 10% of all legal immigrants arriving in the U.S., and a significantly smaller percentage of unauthorized immigrants.

The other main cause of Islam’s recent growth is natural increase. American Muslims tend to have more children than Americans of other religious faiths. Muslims also tend to be younger than the general public, so a larger share of Muslims will soon be at the point in their lives when people begin having children.

There has been little net change in the size of the American Muslim population in recent years due to conversion. About one-in-five American Muslim adults were raised in a different faith or none at all. At the same time, a similar number of people who were raised Muslim no longer identify with the faith. About as many Americans become Muslim as leave Islam.




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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 3:53:57 PM   
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More racist bullshit Greta.

Dude you are talking AS IF there are no Chinese Muslims. I am a Religioncist!

Not Racist! If a damn chinese person is a Muslim, I would have a damn huge problem with this person! But Sadly, what happens is, chinese people do become Muslims when they fall inlove with a Muslim, since you are not allowed to marry a Muslim UNLESS you convert to being a Muslim. NO OTHER RELIGION has this "forced conversion" in my country, not even Hindus, not even jews, not even any of the crazier Christian groups.

And I love Atheist people of all colour! Unless they are militant Atheist, then I think they are closet Christians and should stop pretending to be Atheist.


"Religioncist"......... Like most of your posts, that is something found in your head alone.



Quote me.



Lmfao how thick are you ? No need to repyly as its a rhetorical question.

You have copied a post to Greta asking me to quote you, so which bit of greats post is yours. That said, you are both socks so who can tell huh.

You had little credibility with me before and have almost zero now. Not only cant you get your facts right, you cant even get your posts right.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 4:04:09 PM   
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http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/lawrence-solomon-europe-is-planning-to-deport-hundreds-of-thousands-of-muslims

In a recent reversal, Sweden now says it will deport half of its 160,000 migrants, Finland plans to deport two-thirds of its 32,000 migrants and Germany intends to deport all migrants who arrived under false pretenses – a number that could total many hundreds of thousands – as well as all migrants from Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia, which Germany now deems “safe” countries because they are not at war.

Most countries in Europe, in fact, are now cracking down on migrants from Muslim countries, raising the possibility of a modern-day expulsion that rivals that of the 16th and 17th centuries, when Spain, to its shame, not only ethnically cleansed its territories of all Muslims but also of their descendants who had converted to Christianity.

The sea change in attitude among Europe’s political leadership – mere weeks ago, many of them insisted that they must open their doors even wider on humanitarian grounds – followed mass sexual assaults in European cities on New Year’s Eve. Although government officials and the mainstream press initially tried to cover up the extent of the wrong-doing – an estimated 1,000 Muslims in Cologne alone participated in “Taharrush,” a practice of encircling, groping and sometimes raping women – the extent of the assaults led to a fire-storm of outrage on social media that forced both the mainstream media and the politicians to acknowledge the problems and reverse course.

The reversals were a long time coming, given what Europeans have endured in recent years from the uncontrolled influx of more than a million migrants, most of them Muslim men with little appreciation of Western values. Sexual assaults aside – rapes in many European countries are disproportionately attributed by law enforcement and NGOs to Muslims – crime by migrants is rampant. Hamburg police reports 20,000 purse-snatches a year, 90 per cent of them by males in their 20s from North Africa or the Balkans. In 2014, even before the migrant stampede accelerated, 38,000 asylum seekers had been accused of committing crimes.

I like what Denmark is doing better. They are making Refugees pay to stay or they gotta leave ha! It kinda make Refugees voluntary leave when they realise they gotta contribute.

I still wonder how Germany is gonna go around deporting people when they got no border control at all in the first place. It's like they are gonna have to round up people base on appearances from the streets. And how would they tell the fakes from the genuine since all the "Syrians" have no identity on them.




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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 4:34:09 PM   
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Muslims won't ever become a majority in either the UK or the USA, Greta.

It totally will. We have Muslim families here with like 27 kids. Their women can be 20 yrs old and already mom of 3 and also possibly have gone through 3 different husbands, as Muslims divorce is different from secular divorce, they just need to utter "I divorce you" three times infront of 2 witnesses. And their daughters and grand daughters, they are very all very pro-reproduction. They are breeding like rabbits.
Birth rate is reducing among the white population. Muslims religion does not allow them to use contraceptive of any kind.


Greta, I'm sorry, but this level of argument doesn't seem to me to be worth my while engaging with it - it looks too much like opinion and hearsay to me - thus too much in danger of reflecting basic prejudices on your part. If you're able to provide statistics, links to views by experts and so forth - that would help immensely.



It isnt even hearsay, its racist bullshit. As is Hahns notion that there are 20 million migrants waiting to enter the EU. Lets not forget the 20 million figure comes from a member of a conservative party from Eastern Europe.

Gretas reply to tweaks is absurd, or to give it its correct term, total bollocks.

As was Bountys remarks on the call from a jihadist for Muslim women to have more babies.

As are most of Phydeauxs posts, such as accepting Hahns claim at face value, when only 1,300,000 asylum seekers entered Europe last year, many Christian and many from Africa.

Some of you Republicans need to stop getting so fucking hysterical and read the actual fatcs.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/10-truths-about-europes-refugee-crisis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34131911

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/facts-about-the-syrian-refugees/


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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 4:38:37 PM   
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Once again your facts are pure crap


Germany has registered 964,574 new asylum-seekers in the first 11 months of the year, putting it on course for more than a million in 2015.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35027951

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=Germany has registered more asylum-seekers than any other nation in Europe, although at about 1% of its population, less per capita than several smaller nations.Registered asylum seekers are not always accepted however, and rates of success vary from country to country. Fewer than 10% of applicants last year in Hungary - which has one of the highest shares of asylum-seekers in Europe - resulted in a positive decision.
The rate in Germany was 42%, while in Sweden - which registered the highest number of applications per capita - it was 77%. Across the EU, the success rate about 45%.

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I am assuming, if refugees want free money and stuffs like that, they gotta voluntary register. Otherwise, they can still choose, not to register and just happily roam into Germany and find a way to survive on their own in there. And be completely undocumented, since there is no border control!

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Once again your facts are pure crap


Germany has registered 964,574 new asylum-seekers in the first 11 months of the year, putting it on course for more than a million in 2015.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35027951



You seem to have trouble reading my links. My source was the BBC, same as yours quoted here. The only difference is mine is the most recent.



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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 2/17/2016 5:47:25 PM   
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FactCheck wouldn’t bet on the British Muslim population ever topping 10 per cent, let alone 50 per cent.

The Pew Research Center in the USA, noted for its forecasts on population growth, itself reckons that Europe's Muslim population will reach 10% by 2050. [What happened to that 30% you were talking about earlier, Phydeaux?]



Phydeaux's claim was greater than the 30% figure you mention. In fact Phydeaux's claim was, to quote him directly:
"But the demographic reality is that muslims will become a majority in most nations in europe by 2050 with the current trends - france and germany much much sooner." (emphasis added)

As many posters have noted, with supporting data and evidence from reliable and respectable sources, this claim is far from being the "demographic reality' Phydeaux alleges. Rather it seems to spring more or less entirely from his paranoid imagination spurred on by some hysterical reporting of dubious data from rather dubious sources, with a bit of data doctoring from more reliable sources thrown in. For example in post #406 he states: "Yes, at 2011 the muslim population of Germany was 1.9 million." which is a correct figure from a semi-reliable source - wiki - but then goes on to claim :
"In 2015, however, the number is 5.7 million. " No source is given for this claim but as anyone can see it involves Germany's Muslim population tripling in 3 years, an absolute absurdity.

In short Phydeaux's claims are today's version of the kind of paranoia and xenophobia that produced the "reds under the beds" hysteria and MacCarthyism during the 1950s and 60s - something that no one looks back upon with any pride. He really needs to chill out and find some reliable and respectable data sources, so that his claims have some relationship with the reality that the rest of us inhabit.

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The difference is you claimed my figure of 1 mil asylum seekers was pure crap. I thereby proved it was not in fact crap.

It was in fact accurate.

And in fact, asylum seekers in 2016 q on q are ending at the same rate.

And you contest the 20 million figure, while ignoring the un figure that more than 59 million people are currently displaced and seeking asylum.

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2015 was a "special year"
Four times the numbers of refugees than in 2014.
By your own "source"
42 % were denied asylum status.
THey are looking at deporting more...
SO for one year of a horrible refugee situation and waves of people trying to enter at once. Is an anomaly. Numbers were down in november, probably because of the weather, but your sky is falling bullshit is just that... bullshit.
Blown out of proportion because you are so bloody ignorant.


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Fact: even those deniedd asylum can remain up to three years.
Fact: immigration for 2016 is at the same rate as 2015. Do you think t that people that fled the assad regime will be returned there? Seriously?
Fact: Germany hasnt actually deported any sigmificant numbersfor lack of a place to deportr them to.
Fact: the conditions that spawned the crisis are getting worse.
Isis is winning in libya. Egypt is losing in n the Sinai. Afghanistan is losing to the taliban.
Fact: significant numbers of immigrants are lost track of, or never registered

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Phydeaux's claim was greater than the 30% figure you mention. In fact Phydeaux's claim was, to quote him directly:
"But the demographic reality is that muslims will become a majority in most nations in europe by 2050 with the current trends - france and germany much much sooner." (emphasis added)


Thanks for the memory-jog, Tweak. Actually, I vaguely remembered that earlier, but kind of couldn't believe my own memory.

Feck. Right. OK, I'm off to bed.

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exactly LOL nite Peon


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