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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/23/2016 9:04:17 PM   
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Both the BBC and The Guardian have projected Leave as the winner.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/23/2016 9:10:19 PM   
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Both the BBC and The Guardian have projected Leave as the winner.

Yeah, Sky News too... by about a million votes at present.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/23/2016 9:30:17 PM   
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my home town was decided by 250 votes to leave.
I dont think it will count, the referendum, I mean.

The biggest thing this referendum has done is ferment even more hate.
Even the murder of a politician. Lots of violence to others as well.
TPTB dont give a shit.
Neither do the haters. ON ANY side.
Even with a 70%+ turnout, looking at it from the outside in, both sides are spinning misinformation.
I dont think anyone is prepared for the fallout, except the people who can make money no matter what happens.



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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/23/2016 10:43:13 PM   
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If the leave decision is enforced, no one really knows what happens next. However it does pose a number of interesting points such as:.
* Will the "leave the EU" feeling be exported onto mainland Europe? Could one or more other nations decide to opt out of the EU too?
* Is this beginning of the end for the EU or will a UK exit strengthen the EU (by removing a Europe-reluctant UK, the commitment of the remaining EU members could be strengthened)
* As Scotland voted heavily to remain, could the Scots choose to leave the UK and remain in the EU? Will a UK exit from the EU inflame nationalist sentiment in Scotland? (The Scots decided by a very small majority to remain in the UK not too long ago)
* Is this the end for Cameron as PM? It's hard to see how he can stay as he was heavily committed to the 'Remain' camp.
* What will be done to deal with the forces of hate which were prominent on the 'Leave" side of the argument?
* Is the trend towards resurgent nationalism and anti-immigrant feelings across Europe irreversible? Is the complete fragmentation of the EU into its member States a real possibility now?

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/23/2016 11:05:49 PM   
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Congratulations to The British People for their vote and decision to leave the E.U.!
I don't understand why David Cameron would want to remain in the E.U. when his people were so obviously against it and suffered from it for so long.
I don't think it's *ever* a good thing when (any) politician wants you to "join" something. You'll be losing freedom not gaining it. (Look at that *disaster* called "Nafta" that Clinton "joined" us up for)
Ha, and President Dum Dum was over there not long ago "stumping" for the people to vote to remain in the E.U.! Now that's the kiss of death!
So congrats to all of our British friends in here.
HERE! HERE!

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/23/2016 11:24:57 PM   
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It looks like Britain are out.

And the question "Do turkeys really vote for Christmas" has been answered - they do.

Even I, a deeply cynical person with a very low opinion of the intelligence of my fellow man, am surprised by this vote. There was not one single good reason to leave the EU. Not one. Yet they've gone and left, and the leave people (particularly UKIP) have managed to sway the British public by basically emulating Donald Trump (Take our country back! Make Britain great again! etc), and we still went for it.

Boris Johnson, a man whos defining feature is his lack of intellect, will likely be our next prime minster. Trump will be next president of the USA.

And in about 30 years our children will be driving cars across the desert in a post apocalyptic wasteland trying to find the last few bits of juice for their cars.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/23/2016 11:29:14 PM   
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Thank the gods for a seer who can see what the future holds. What numbers should I use for the lottery tomorrow ? I promise I will share my winnings equally with you

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/23/2016 11:32:07 PM   
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Thank the gods for a seer who can see what the future holds. What numbers should I use for the lottery tomorrow ? I promise I will share my winnings equally with you


16, 28, 34, 7, 12, and 41

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/23/2016 11:38:50 PM   
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Does anyone know how much money G.B. poured into other countries in the E.U. over the last 20 years?
They said (the) main reason for the vote was illegal aliens and out of control immigration.
After that trade problems and stagnant wages. All of those are political suicide.
Hillary the cat lady wants to legalize every illegal alien in the country. That's why she's going to lose to Trump.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/23/2016 11:41:10 PM   
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Oh wow, I will get those listed first thing tomorrow. I need a couple of supplementaries too though and we can really crack the big time.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/24/2016 12:15:09 AM   
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Now they're saying on the news that The Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden want out of the E.U.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/24/2016 12:17:06 AM   
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Don't forget Greece and now the Right wing of France is making noises to leave too.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/24/2016 12:23:07 AM   
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Interestingly, the vote isn't legally binding, at least according to The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament


Interesting article. Thanks, DC.

The idea that the referendum isn't binding certainly is interesting.

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    The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.
    This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.


What are UKadians going to do if the will of the people is for Brexit, but Cameron and the MP's ignore the will of the people and maintain EU membership?


take the political responsibility, I guess there would be some protests and the political establishment would come out as anti-democratic, it might be forgotten soon when some other big news come out or it might have more impact in the next elections: UK has a majoritary electoral system but third parties still have relevance (1/3 of votes and 12% just for the ukip), so it might give more sits in the parlament (more than the one they have now) to the ukip and they might push for reformes in order to get a more proportional electoral system or grow even more if they demostrate the ability to become a governamental party and not just a protest one. The bottom line is when your population votes that they want more sovereignty and you just double down saying fuck off your democracy you'll have to face a lot of rage when you'll need something next time.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/24/2016 1:01:47 AM   
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Public disagreement with the government is illegal isnt't it?

It's legal if you can prove that you are right and it's not slander. Public's disagreement with government should be shown through not voting for the party. That's democracy.
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Isn't that because it is illegal to oppose it?

How can it be illegal to oppose it when we have opposition parties to vote for? We just need a capable opposition to show up and he'll win over the current party. But currently, all opposition are kinda crappy, plus most of them are pushing socialism crap. Free education, free healthcare, free welfare, just talking too much about how to spend our 300 billion reserves and surpluses. And majority of Singaporeans do not like those ideas! Just the Swedish overwhelmingly voted against getting free salary. We voted against getting things free. The opposition needs to understand what people want better and stop fighting the elections by promoting how they are gonna make everything free and paid for by the government. We do not want that.



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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/24/2016 1:05:04 AM   
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It looks like Britain are out.



I am soo not surprise. This is what majority want now. Less Muslim immigrants! Now Britain can have more control.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/24/2016 1:14:47 AM   
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If the leave decision is enforced, no one really knows what happens next. However it does pose a number of interesting points such as:.
* Will the "leave the EU" feeling be exported onto mainland Europe? Could one or more other nations decide to opt out of the EU too?
In Italy yes it's already happening, expecially if in the next years UK doesn't collapse economically after opting out, the problem with this is many other nations are committed to the euro currency, so first we have to opt out from that.
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* Is this beginning of the end for the EU or will a UK exit strengthen the EU (by removing a Europe-reluctant UK, the commitment of the remaining EU members could be strengthened)
It depends by the actions of the european establishment, there are many anti-euro movements in many countries so it's not just the UK, and by the way all the major parties in uk were pro EU, here in Italy anti EU parties make 40% of the votes.
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* As Scotland voted heavily to remain, could the Scots choose to leave the UK and remain in the EU? Will a UK exit from the EU inflame nationalist sentiment in Scotland? (The Scots decided by a very small majority to remain in the UK not too long ago)
It seems so from some articles I read but the reason to secede from uk was to have more connections with the eu so in some ways who was against should remain opposed
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* Is this the end for Cameron as PM? It's hard to see how he can stay as he was heavily committed to the 'Remain' camp.
* What will be done to deal with the forces of hate which were prominent on the 'Leave" side of the argument?
* Is the trend towards resurgent nationalism and anti-immigrant feelings across Europe irreversible? Is the complete fragmentation of the EU into its member States a real possibility now?


About immigration: some should also point out that Austria and Germany closed their southern borders opting out the schengen treaty (that's basically what makes the EU a union) in order to stop immigrants from coming north, after the first months of syrian refugees crisis where they pictured themself as the good accepting countries the good will went out of the window as soon as they had to face the problems the southern countries faced for years, they decided that since it was not working for them it was better to pay turkey to deal with them, UK is the first immigration choice for EU citizens, I don't think the majority of british are racists or xenophobes but I assume probably as other nations they saw wages stagnate because of the number of peoples willing to work for a lower wage. The EU immigration policy for extracomunitary citizens is also a mess, you night have a job or be sponsored but if you are not from a country that has aviable quotas that job you needed will never be yours, this has the resoult of forcing people to try the illegal way or having others to come here with no real economical opportinities, so trying a different approach doesn't necessarely mean a wors or inhumane system. To get to your question it's not irreversible, as long as the governaments who are fast to label as racist to shut down any criticism to their policies on immigration and the problems they are causing.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/24/2016 1:16:03 AM   
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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/24/2016 1:24:52 AM   
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It is a sad result for Europe but is is also sad for the UK - look at the map of the results here
http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

where it is yellow for remain majorities

It might well be that while England and Wales will leave the EU Scotland and Northern Ireland will leave the UK

All those conflicts the EU helped to solve like the NI troubles or Gibraltar will reappear.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/24/2016 1:39:26 AM   
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The arguments that I heard for leaving the EU were mainly two. Bear with me, I'm going to give some "quotations" from memory:

1) Economic - "Anyone from any of the 27 other EU nations can come here, freely and either get a job or immediately start collecting benefits and health care" (For those of us here, in the states: "benefits" is pronounced: "Welfare").

2) Immigration - "We've seen what's happening in some of the other member nations and seeing the beginnings of those same patterns here. We've had to ask ourselves: 'Is this really what we want our country to be?'. It seems, tonight, we're getting our answer."

To translate that second one out of non-PC speak: "We don't want a Sharia caliphate established here".

I have to admit: our British cousins (in total) appear to be slightly smarter than I had given them credit for being. Kudos to the Brits who allowed sense and reason to triumph over political correctness!



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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/24/2016 3:28:58 AM   
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Let me also add:

I just saw the video of Prime Minister David Cameron at 0800 (GMT).

He said (in part): "The British people have spoken and, clearly they want to move the country in another direction. I will do what I can to steady the ship, over the next weeks and months, but I am not the captain to bring this nation to its next destination".

I disagree vehemently with Mr. Cameron on just about every issue I've ever heard him speak about, but credit where credit is due: What he did was about as classy a move as I've ever seen out of a politician.

Kudos to David Cameron, as well!



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